Why does Sam need more time???

[Guest alex]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

[khay 10]

I'd give him 2 years min.

 

 

Yup same here.

 

Middle of the table this year then maybes pushing further up the season after that depending on how much money he gets like.

 

If Mike gives him 100million I think I might want some waffa cup action.

[LeazesMag 0]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

a predictable get out.

 

Except it isn't the owner complaining about the "plan". Not yet anyway.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'd give him 2 years min.

 

 

Yup same here.

 

Middle of the table this year then maybes pushing further up the season after that depending on how much money he gets like.

 

If Mike gives him 100million I think I might want some waffa cup action.

 

Tend to agree, however football is such a business that you HAVE to terminate it if things start to look really bad. Thats the point I've made, you just can't plan like this, you can't legislate for anything. Its cut throat and you MUST look at the immediate short term and the long term.

[Guest alex]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

a predictable get out.

 

Except it isn't the owner complaining about the "plan". Not yet anyway.

[RlCO 0]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

Had this been a mid-season takeover, maybe, but Ashley came in in the summer, and had plenty time to review and approve BSA's 'plans' - the infamous review process, and chose to stick with him. Considering that City gadgie brought SGE in and Lerner pre-approved O'Neill during their takeovers, I take this as tacit approval of BSA by Ashley, and include Ashley in any culpability if he turns out to be crap. Either that or Ashley didn't think to contact any while thinking about taking over a PL club, in which case, how's he going to fair in January? Bar the obvious option. Makes me think the Capello talk is rubbish.

[RlCO 0]

I'd give him 2 years min.

 

If Mike gives him 100million I think I might want some waffa cup action.

 

Chewsea only got the Carling Cup for that.

[Guest alex]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

Had this been a mid-season takeover, maybe, but Ashley came in in the summer, and had plenty time to review and approve BSA's 'plans' - the infamous review process, and chose to stick with him. Considering that City gadgie brought SGE in and Lerner pre-approved O'Neill during their takeovers, I take this as tacit approval of BSA by Ashley, and include Ashley in any culpability if he turns out to be crap. Either that or Ashley didn't think to contact any while thinking about taking over a PL club, in which case, how's he going to fair in January? Bar the obvious option. Makes me think the Capello talk is rubbish.

He still didn't appoint him so imo my point stands. There was no chance of him sacking Allardyce straight away. He was bound to 'wait and see', especially if he's here for the long haul imo.

[LeazesMag 0]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

Had this been a mid-season takeover, maybe, but Ashley came in in the summer, and had plenty time to review and approve BSA's 'plans' - the infamous review process, and chose to stick with him. Considering that City gadgie brought SGE in and Lerner pre-approved O'Neill during their takeovers, I take this as tacit approval of BSA by Ashley, and include Ashley in any culpability if he turns out to be crap. Either that or Ashley didn't think to contact any while thinking about taking over a PL club, in which case, how's he going to fair in January? Bar the obvious option. Makes me think the Capello talk is rubbish.

He still didn't appoint him so imo my point stands. There was no chance of him sacking Allardyce straight away. He was bound to 'wait and see', especially if he's here for the long haul imo.

 

Lets see now. Are you saying you reject the "plan", or are you saying that when Ashley appoints his own man, his own "plan" is a certain winner ?

[RlCO 0]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

Had this been a mid-season takeover, maybe, but Ashley came in in the summer, and had plenty time to review and approve BSA's 'plans' - the infamous review process, and chose to stick with him. Considering that City gadgie brought SGE in and Lerner pre-approved O'Neill during their takeovers, I take this as tacit approval of BSA by Ashley, and include Ashley in any culpability if he turns out to be crap. Either that or Ashley didn't think to contact any while thinking about taking over a PL club, in which case, how's he going to fair in January? Bar the obvious option. Makes me think the Capello talk is rubbish.

He still didn't appoint him so imo my point stands. There was no chance of him sacking Allardyce straight away. He was bound to 'wait and see', especially if he's here for the long haul imo.

 

Why didn't the others wait and see then? That's my point. Fair enough wait and see if you inherit AF or RB, but this is a billionaire and he stcuk by BSA, yet we are now supposed to believe he has the ear of Capello?

[Guest alex]

not being funny, but I find it quite incredible the amount of people who have harped on in the past about a "plan", etc etc, being the key to success, then when the club inputs this "plan", appointed at the "right time", you all want to start again after less than 20 matches.

 

By all means conclude that Allardyce is not your choice, or he has made a bad start and you think he is now losing the plot / out of his depth / not capable enough [delete as appropriate] but having done that, accept that now you have harped on about these "plans" and such in the past, accept that it was always a load of old bollocks, and the only thing that matters is the manager, not the timing, and that "plan" or not, you have to make the change when or if necessary.

 

FWIW, I would stick with him for a bit longer yet, although I'm quite worried by some of his selections, like most people.

 

aye, Canny.

Well, any 'plan' the owner has wouldn't necessarily include Allardyce, would it? He never appointed him.

 

Had this been a mid-season takeover, maybe, but Ashley came in in the summer, and had plenty time to review and approve BSA's 'plans' - the infamous review process, and chose to stick with him. Considering that City gadgie brought SGE in and Lerner pre-approved O'Neill during their takeovers, I take this as tacit approval of BSA by Ashley, and include Ashley in any culpability if he turns out to be crap. Either that or Ashley didn't think to contact any while thinking about taking over a PL club, in which case, how's he going to fair in January? Bar the obvious option. Makes me think the Capello talk is rubbish.

He still didn't appoint him so imo my point stands. There was no chance of him sacking Allardyce straight away. He was bound to 'wait and see', especially if he's here for the long haul imo.

 

Why didn't the others wait and see then? That's my point. Fair enough wait and see if you inherit AF or RB, but this is a billionaire and he stcuk by BSA, yet we are now supposed to believe he has the ear of Capello?

I never said I believed he had the ear of Capello. The stories about the club have been pretty much bollocks since the new lot took over. Has a single one been proven to be correct yet? The other cases (City and Villa) aren't relevant as they weren't hostile takeovers iirc.

Edited December 5, 2007 by alex

[Fop 1]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford :D

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

[The Fish 11079]

I never said I believed he had the ear of Capello. The stories about the club have been pretty much bollocks since the new lot took over. Has a single one been proven to be correct yet? The other cases (City and Villa) aren't relevant as they weren't hostile takeovers iirc.

 

 

The stories about the club under the old lot were bollocks as well , except for the PR nightmares that dribbled out the side of Freddy's pie guzzling mouth

[@yourservice 67]

He needs a miracle! not time.

[LeazesMag 0]

If you are going to compare it to a proper job, the only measure of performance is the.................................................

 

But management is a proper job Mr. Rico, albeit in Football, Manufacturing, Sales, or whatever business is dependent on results.

I was production manager at a boat-building company in California which had a sister plant in Virginia that was having difficulties meeting production schedules. I was sent to the Virginia plant for as long as it took to straighten the place out, I was back in 5 weeks.

However, in the meantime the company hired a production manager to replace me in my absense. He had a track record of being a competent production manager with the Caterpillar company back East, he lasted 30 days before they let him go. The methods, ideas, and know-how he brought with him from his previous work-place were not compatable with the work-force at his new job and schedules fell behind in quick time.

 

oh dear. This is where people like you go tits up. Football is not the high street. Where in the high street would you call the 5th highest place over a period of a decade failure ?

 

Now. I just know you won't understand this. Because you remind me of a cousin of mine, who stood in the pub all the way through the late 1970's and 1980's and said I was "mad for supporting this shite" [and he lived in Newcastle and I was all over the country] yet now, insists he's "always supported the Toon".

 

Fucking joke, to be honest, especially when people who say this, were attracted back to the club by the very board they slate.

 

Stick to baseball, or whatever they watch over in Canada, is my advice, because you sure as fuck don't understand too much about NUFC and their fortunes over the last 50 years.

[Tom 14021]

If you are going to compare it to a proper job, the only measure of performance is the.................................................

 

But management is a proper job Mr. Rico, albeit in Football, Manufacturing, Sales, or whatever business is dependent on results.

I was production manager at a boat-building company in California which had a sister plant in Virginia that was having difficulties meeting production schedules. I was sent to the Virginia plant for as long as it took to straighten the place out, I was back in 5 weeks.

However, in the meantime the company hired a production manager to replace me in my absense. He had a track record of being a competent production manager with the Caterpillar company back East, he lasted 30 days before they let him go. The methods, ideas, and know-how he brought with him from his previous work-place were not compatable with the work-force at his new job and schedules fell behind in quick time.

 

oh dear. This is where people like you go tits up. Football is not the high street. Where in the high street would you call the 5th highest place over a period of a decade failure ?

 

Now. I just know you won't understand this. Because you remind me of a cousin of mine, who stood in the pub all the way through the late 1970's and 1980's and said I was "mad for supporting this shite" [and he lived in Newcastle and I was all over the country] yet now, insists he's "always supported the Toon".

 

Fucking joke, to be honest, especially when people who say this, were attracted back to the club by the very board they slate.

 

Stick to baseball, or whatever they watch over in Canada, is my advice, because you sure as fuck don't understand too much about NUFC and their fortunes over the last 50 years.

 

M & S?

[bassplayerjj 0]

the most important people to the manager are the players, not us the fans. The performance against Blackburn (given the circumstances of the back-four) and the performance against the unbeaten league leaders wednesday night show that the players are right behind the big man. This nonsense must stop and we need to give him at the very least until the end of the season (2 years+ would be even more sensible). Look at Martin O'Neil at Villa last year, he had an awful run didnt he mid-season? Now they look like a proper team and if we keep playing like we did against the Arsenal then we may become a team under BSA after all =)

[Ketsbaia 0]

the most important people to the manager are the players, not us the fans. The performance against Blackburn (given the circumstances of the back-four) and the performance against the unbeaten league leaders wednesday night show that the players are right behind the big man. This nonsense must stop and we need to give him at the very least until the end of the season (2 years+ would be even more sensible). Look at Martin O'Neil at Villa last year, he had an awful run didnt he mid-season? Now they look like a proper team and if we keep playing like we did against the Arsenal then we may become a team under BSA after all =)

16 games without a win IIRC

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4077]

the most important people to the manager are the players, not us the fans. The performance against Blackburn (given the circumstances of the back-four) and the performance against the unbeaten league leaders wednesday night show that the players are right behind the big man. This nonsense must stop and we need to give him at the very least until the end of the season (2 years+ would be even more sensible). Look at Martin O'Neil at Villa last year, he had an awful run didnt he mid-season? Now they look like a proper team and if we keep playing like we did against the Arsenal then we may become a team under BSA after all =)

 

I understand what you're saying but he will have to win something to make me watch the turgid shite he has been putting on view since taking over. I wont put up with nearly doing something if I have to watch boring crap football.

[Guest alex]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

[Fop 1]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

 

You ever been to Watford? In anyone's book, even I suspect people that live there.

[Guest alex]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

 

You ever been to Watford?

Aye. So's Bobby.

[Fop 1]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

 

You ever been to Watford?

Aye. So's Bobby.

 

And you can't see why he wouldn't want to remember it?

[Guest alex]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

 

You ever been to Watford?

Aye. So's Bobby.

 

And you can't see why he wouldn't want to remember it?

None of this makes much sense in relation to the story I was on about really

[Fop 1]

I'll save it for the boozer (assuming anyone's interested) suffice to say he had no recollection of ever having been to Watford

 

Aye, but that's called "sanity" tbf.

In your book

 

You ever been to Watford?

Aye. So's Bobby.

 

And you can't see why he wouldn't want to remember it?

None of this makes much sense in relation to the story I was on about really

 

In all honesty I don't think there's a "do you remember going to Watford" senility test either.