The Times: Allardyce faces the sack

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

When we got Big Sam I thought he would be the answer to our defensive problems, make us hard to beat and instill a winning mentality. WRONG,WRONG,WRONG

 

OK so yesterday we looked more committed, SO WHAT. We lost to a poor performing Blackburn side and let in three goals, AGAIN

 

4-3-3 or 4-5-1 whatever you call it doesnt fucking work, neither does putting our most offensive midfielder at left back for fucks sake

 

 

Geremi/Butt/Barton in the middle..........SHITE

 

Whats he done to Rozenhal?

 

Viduka on the bench and Smith up front instead??

 

It`s time to say our goodbyes to the fat-man, admit defeat and move on.

 

Shearer would be a risk although was it coincidence when he was around with Roeder we went on an amazing run that got Roeder the job?

 

If Ashley is serious about this club then he needs to put his money where his mouth is, buy some quality players and get a manager that WILL deliver

[ewerk 31195]

Sacking a manager 15 games into his reign just solidifies our status as laughing stock in my opinion.

 

Normally I'd agree but the quotes coming from Allardyce lately about how he wants us to play really don't fill me with confidence that things are going to change from what we've seen. I think the general consensus before the start of the season was that we would would be happy with seeing an improvement in the team come the end of the season and now that we're a third of the way into the season it's safe to say that we've seen absolutely no indication of any sort of improvement.

 

Saying that I do think he should be given until before Christmas before making any major decisions, I don't want to see him spend money in the January transfer window only to be sacked in February.

 

Shearer taking over would obviously be a huge gamble, were he to come in as a no.2 to a more experienced manager to gain a bit more experience and learn the ropes I'd accept that. However, that could cause problems as the manager would then be worried that Shearer is simply there waiting to take his role.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

If we sack Allardyce this week it definitely cements us a fucking joke of a football club. I though the rash decision making would have gone now that Freddy has left but it seems not.

 

Ok, we're not doing well at the moment but what prospective new manager is going to want the job when they'll know that if they have a bad run of results (its only been 5!) they'll get the chop. Jesus christ.

 

A bad run of results I can take BUT its the manner of our under-performances thats hard to swallow. It`s the fucked up tactics, the picking of certain players in the wrong positions and the hoofing and kick and run style of football which wouldnt look out of place in the park on a Sunday.

 

We look a shower of shite, the only top side we have played gave us a lesson and we were lucky not to end up with a 8 or 9 goal tanning. What Arsenal will do to us on Wednesday I really dont want to think about it.

 

Sam has been found out as a one dimensional manager, we cant play like Bolton did and he cant adapt his style/tactics. The sooner we make a change the better

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Shearer would be a risk although was it coincidence when he was around with Roeder we went on an amazing run that got Roeder the job?

He did very little of the coaching during that time I'm led to believe.

 

If Ashley is serious about this club then he needs to put his money where his mouth is, buy some quality players and get a manager that WILL deliver

If it were that simple the other 91 clubs would be doing it too. There are no guarantees of success and no one is a sure thing in football.

 

 

Sacking a manager 15 games into his reign just solidifies our status as laughing stock in my opinion.

Normally I'd agree but the quotes coming from Allardyce lately about how he wants us to play really don't fill me with confidence that things are going to change from what we've seen. I think the general consensus before the start of the season was that we would would be happy with seeing an improvement in the team come the end of the season and now that we're a third of the way into the season it's safe to say that we've seen absolutely no indication of any sort of improvement.

Lucky he's got the other two thirds of the season to sort it out then, eh? I'm struggling to see your point.

[Ketsbaia 0]

When we got Big Sam I thought he would be the answer to our defensive problems, make us hard to beat and instill a winning mentality. WRONG,WRONG,WRONG

 

OK so yesterday we looked more committed, SO WHAT. We lost to a poor performing Blackburn side and let in three goals, AGAIN

 

4-3-3 or 4-5-1 whatever you call it doesnt fucking work, neither does putting our most offensive midfielder at left back for fucks sake

 

 

Geremi/Butt/Barton in the middle..........SHITE

 

Whats he done to Rozenhal?

 

Viduka on the bench and Smith up front instead??

 

It`s time to say our goodbyes to the fat-man, admit defeat and move on.

 

Shearer would be a risk although was it coincidence when he was around with Roeder we went on an amazing run that got Roeder the job?

 

If Ashley is serious about this club then he needs to put his money where his mouth is, buy some quality players and get a manager that WILL deliver

 

Care to name names?

[Norbert Colon 0]

Damned if you do and possibly damned if you don't - He isn't Ashleys man and thats a big factor as no loyalty is a given thing - Ashley has the money but whether he has the trust in Allardyce to spend it wisely and create a team is another matter - we are a shambles at the moment which isn't something even the most anti-sam pundits would have predicted - boring and efficient is what i imagined and personally would have accepted not the lack of tactical nouse and motivation that the team is displaying at the moment.

IF he is going to give him the chop i just hope its now before january and with someone ready to move straight in - i hope he doesn't do it as it just fuels the fire for the southern scumbag press but a man like Ashley is not used to second best and i think he may be ready to wield the axe.

[ewerk 31195]

Sacking a manager 15 games into his reign just solidifies our status as laughing stock in my opinion.

Normally I'd agree but the quotes coming from Allardyce lately about how he wants us to play really don't fill me with confidence that things are going to change from what we've seen. I think the general consensus before the start of the season was that we would would be happy with seeing an improvement in the team come the end of the season and now that we're a third of the way into the season it's safe to say that we've seen absolutely no indication of any sort of improvement.

Lucky he's got the other two thirds of the season to sort it out then, eh? I'm struggling to see your point.

 

My point is that at this point of the season we'd expect to see some sort of improvement or even a new effective system which will help us progress and improve but the system that Allardyce seems intend on implementing is complete bollocks, is the point I'm making.

[LeazesMag 0]

If we sack Allardyce this week it definitely cements us a fucking joke of a football club. I though the rash decision making would have gone now that Freddy has left but it seems not.

 

Ok, we're not doing well at the moment but what prospective new manager is going to want the job when they'll know that if they have a bad run of results (its only been 5!) they'll get the chop. Jesus christ.

 

not so bad after all ? It would seem that six other premiership clubs - so far - have also made ill - timed, rash judgements and decisions Ally

 

I don't want them to sack Sam just yet, but it depends who they would replace him with, personally.

 

I don't really have any idea who they would replace him with at the moment ie who is available, but thats not to say that I think he should be kept on if we continue to struggle, because we don't. Quite simply, if he seriously loses the plot he has to go.

[Ketsbaia 0]

If we sack Allardyce this week it definitely cements us a fucking joke of a football club. I though the rash decision making would have gone now that Freddy has left but it seems not.

 

Ok, we're not doing well at the moment but what prospective new manager is going to want the job when they'll know that if they have a bad run of results (its only been 5!) they'll get the chop. Jesus christ.

 

not so bad after all ? It would seem that six other premiership clubs - so far - have also made ill - timed, rash judgements and decisions Ally

 

I don't want them to sack Sam just yet, but it depends who they would replace him with, personally.

 

I don't really have any idea who they would replace him with at the moment ie who is available, but thats not to say that I think he should be kept on if we continue to struggle, because we don't. Quite simply, if he seriously loses the plot he has to go.

 

Oh no, he was still a complete and utter fucking cleft

[LeazesMag 0]

If we sack Allardyce this week it definitely cements us a fucking joke of a football club. I though the rash decision making would have gone now that Freddy has left but it seems not.

 

Ok, we're not doing well at the moment but what prospective new manager is going to want the job when they'll know that if they have a bad run of results (its only been 5!) they'll get the chop. Jesus christ.

 

not so bad after all ? It would seem that six other premiership clubs - so far - have also made ill - timed, rash judgements and decisions Ally

 

I don't want them to sack Sam just yet, but it depends who they would replace him with, personally.

 

I don't really have any idea who they would replace him with at the moment ie who is available, but thats not to say that I think he should be kept on if we continue to struggle, because we don't. Quite simply, if he seriously loses the plot he has to go.

 

Oh no, he was still a complete and utter fucking cleft

 

of course, and I'm really pleased to see that everything is going great, and we are winning all our games and playing great football now he has gone, as it was all his fault previously that we weren't.

 

Not to mention all those non-trophy average players we brought in during the summer. Still, we had the whole summer to "plan".

[Happy Face 29]

He hasn't lost more than 2 games on the trot ffs.

 

I like to think Mort will have a calmer head than this.

[bassplayerjj 0]

Just saw the game on football first. Fantastic game for hte neutral to be honest and we played our hearts out. Thought Martins was outstanding as the wide forward in a 4-3-3, constantly a threat and his delivery brought others into play on more htan one occasion. The back four was a joke at times but then again 2 players from the french league at CB having playing a handful of EPL games and our full-backs are midfielders =/

 

If Sam gets the sack after wednesday I will be more than disappointed, needs at least 2 years, even if this means finishing mid table this year after not spending a great deal compared to most of the top half. If he can inspire some more performances like this then slowly things will turn themselves around.

 

Was the kind of game that if we had taken our share of the chances then we probably would have won it 4-3!

[David Kelly 1260]

I'm actually at the stage now that I think Shearer might well be our best bet. If we sack Allardyce no top class manager will touch us (unless he is promised a ridiculous amount of money) so we might as well take a chance on Shearer. He will at least get the backing of the morons who won't give other managers more than five games to turn us into title contenders.

Hopefully he might turn out to be a very good manager or at least he might stir up the crowd and get us some momentum like Keegan did.

I get the feeling he would also demand a good amount of funds too so at least we might be able to bring some decent players in.

[NJS 4411]

I'm actually at the stage now that I think Shearer might well be our best bet. If we sack Allardyce no top class manager will touch us (unless he is promised a ridiculous amount of money) so we might as well take a chance on Shearer. He will at least get the backing of the morons who won't give other managers more than five games to turn us into title contenders.

Hopefully he might turn out to be a very good manager or at least he might stir up the crowd and get us some momentum like Keegan did.

I get the feeling he would also demand a good amount of funds too so at least we might be able to bring some decent players in.

 

 

In my own mind I've always countered the argument that Shearer has no experience with comparisons with Keegan, Dalglish to a lesser extent because of his inheritance and lately Keane. I think all three have the character needed to be winners. That doesn't mean I don't think Sam does bus as others have suggested I've always felt he just didn't "suit" us.

 

This view has now been augmented by exactly the points DK makes here - the bargepole factor and the fans backing factor both being huge.

 

Maybe with the right coach it could actually work.

[Jimbo 175]

I'm actually at the stage now that I think Shearer might well be our best bet. If we sack Allardyce no top class manager will touch us (unless he is promised a ridiculous amount of money) so we might as well take a chance on Shearer. He will at least get the backing of the morons who won't give other managers more than five games to turn us into title contenders.

Hopefully he might turn out to be a very good manager or at least he might stir up the crowd and get us some momentum like Keegan did.

I get the feeling he would also demand a good amount of funds too so at least we might be able to bring some decent players in.

 

 

In my own mind I've always countered the argument that Shearer has no experience with comparisons with Keegan, Dalglish to a lesser extent because of his inheritance and lately Keane. I think all three have the character needed to be winners. That doesn't mean I don't think Sam does bus as others have suggested I've always felt he just didn't "suit" us.

 

This view has now been augmented by exactly the points DK makes here - the bargepole factor and the fans backing factor both being huge.

 

Maybe with the right coach it could actually work.

 

Agreed

[David Kelly 1260]

I don't want it to sound like this is what I think should happen because I believe given the time and backing Allardyce will do a good job for us.

I just don't think he will get that from the fans and they will probably force Ashley's hand and as long as Shearer is out there he will always be hanging over the head of anyone who comes in. And top mangers will know this and stay away because of it.

We have to get it out of the way because it will hamper our progress if we don't and I just hope that for the reasons I suggested above it does work.

[Gejon 2]

People keep pointing to Keane but imo he is vastly overhyped, yes he did very well last season to get them promoted (also spent a fair bit of money compared to the rest of the Championship) but then Roeder did a top class job for us after he took over from Souness till the end of the season (yes I know Keane did it over a longer period).

 

Sunderland are hardly high flying now are they and again they spent a lot of money in the summer including £9m on a keeper who was yesterday keeping the bench warm.

 

Keane is nowhere near at the stage that proves getting someone in with little experience equals success. Surely Allardyces achievement at Bolton is equal to anything Keane has done so far in his short time.

[NJS 4411]

People keep pointing to Keane but imo he is vastly overhyped, yes he did very well last season to get them promoted (also spent a fair bit of money compared to the rest of the Championship) but then Roeder did a top class job for us after he took over from Souness till the end of the season (yes I know Keane did it over a longer period).

 

Sunderland are hardly high flying now are they and again they spent a lot of money in the summer including £9m on a keeper who was yesterday keeping the bench warm.

 

Keane is nowhere near at the stage that proves getting someone in with little experience equals success. Surely Allardyces achievement at Bolton is equal to anything Keane has done so far in his short time.

 

A few mackems realise that what Keane has done makes sense - they weren't going to able to sign mega-stars this summer so he spent a lot of money on building a squad with ordinary-ish players. If they stop up then they can build on that next summer. The problem now is that ironically the fans have bought into this "champions league with 5 years" shite. They haven't done at all badly this season and considering who they've played compared to who we have I'd say they have more "real" points.

 

On Allardyce you also have to consider a few seasons where they he did struggle.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Shearer doesn't have the infectious personality that Keegan had. It shows the sort of proposition we are if we're thinking of giving Shearer a go just to get it out of the way. And yet some folk still go on as if we're Barcelona.

[Lazarus 0]

If we can get a genuinely world class manager in then by all means sack big sam.

 

 

But who of that calibre is gonna want to come here?

 

 

So we stick with sam until next summer and assess things then.

[Glasgow Mag 0]

If we can get a genuinely world class manager in then by all means sack big sam.

 

 

But who of that calibre is gonna want to come here?

 

 

So we stick with sam until next summer and assess things then.

 

I know being Scottish makes me a bit biased, but I think we've just missed a big thing in Alex McLeish. Worked wonders with the Scotland team. Barrowload of trophies from his time at Rangers.

[Noelie 103]

Thing is, a loss to Arse n'all on Wednesday will not sink us further down the table. Our next game is against Birmingham who are 4 points behind us and even if they beat us they will not move above us. Neither will Fulham who play tomorrow and are also 4 points behind us so we are relatively safe in 11th place for the time being.

I don't think a loss to the Gunners will spell the end for Allardyce but the outcome of our next 3 games against Birmingham, Fulham, and Wigan just might if we don't get some points.

[LeazesMag 0]

Thing is, a loss to Arse n'all on Wednesday will not sink us further down the table. Our next game is against Birmingham who are 4 points behind us and even if they beat us they will not move above us. Neither will Fulham who play tomorrow and are also 4 points behind us so we are relatively safe in 11th place for the time being.

I don't think a loss to the Gunners will spell the end for Allardyce but the outcome of our next 3 games against Birmingham, Fulham, and Wigan just might if we don't get some points.

 

far more realistic, and I agree.

[NJS 4411]

Shearer doesn't have the infectious personality that Keegan had. It shows the sort of proposition we are if we're thinking of giving Shearer a go just to get it out of the way. And yet some folk still go on as if we're Barcelona.

 

Dalglish? Ferguson? - not exactly charmers

 

As has been said, unless Sam turns it around quickly and does well, the Shearer Spectre will still hang over him - its a pisser that its there but maybe we do have to get it out of the way then take stock after that (if it fails).

[Jusoda Kid 1]

If we can get a genuinely world class manager in then by all means sack big sam.

 

 

But who of that calibre is gonna want to come here?

 

 

So we stick with sam until next summer and assess things then.

 

I know being Scottish makes me a bit biased, but I think we've just missed a big thing in Alex McLeish. Worked wonders with the Scotland team. Barrowload of trophies from his time at Rangers.

 

 

This is the PL though, not the foregone conclusion they call Scottish football