Jimbo 175 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Allardyce faces block on January arrivals By Michael Walker Published: 27 November 2007 The Newcastle United chairman, Chris Mort, yesterday tried to give Sam Allardyce the club's full backing following Saturday's demoralising 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool, and the humiliating reaction of the home fans towards Allardyce. Mort's response to a question about supporting his manager in the long term came in the reply: "We would like to," which is different from saying, "We will." The ambiguity in his answer will not reassure Allardyce and neither will Mort's opinion on the need for new signings in January to help address the present slump. "We need our team performing on the pitch as a unit," Mort said, "I don't think adding new players will necessarily sort that out." It would be understandable if Newcastle were considering their options post-Allardyce and if Alan Shearer is their choice they need to accelerate, because Shearer is interesting the Football Association as successor to Steve McClaren in the England post. It is thought that the interest is mutual. Shearer, however, if offered, would struggle to turn down his hometown club and his arrival would be expected to lift Newcastle in the manner of Kevin Keegan 15 years ago. Another option is Harry Redknapp, who has impressed Newcastle's owner, Mike Ashley, enough for him last week to nominate Redknapp as his choice for England manager. Allardyce has to work on under pressure internally and externally. Saturday's post-match dressing-room attempt at clearing the air is not thought to have convinced, with the players listening to Allardyce in near silence. "Sam is working hard with the coaching staff to get the current squad working together," Mort said. "It is certainly not surprising the fans are not happy. You pay decent money to watch a Premier League game these days and if someone has paid their money to watch a game, then they're entitled to voice their concern if it's not going right. "We have had two disappointing home games on the trot. The fans don't want that, the manager doesn't want that and we certainly don't want that. Sam is a very experienced manager, and I am sure he'll work hard to get his best team and how they can work together in the best way." The apparent reluctance of the hierarchy to discuss January with Allardyce is perhaps ominous. Although Habib Beye and Claudio Cacapa have been sporadically impressive, as has Mark Viduka, Allardyce's summer signings are yet to win over fans. The back three against Liverpool – Beye, David Rozehnal and Jose Enrique – were Allardyce signings but none played well and after the game Allardyce said other defenders had been targeted first. "I was after [Mikaël] Silvestre, [sylvain] Distin and Tal Ben Haim, " he said. "Once your first targets have gone, you look elsewhere. Your only option is to look at what's available in the foreign markets. These are good players, but they're finding it difficult to play in the Premier League on a regular basis. All the other Premier League clubs are spending heavily, more than ever before, and that increases the quality in the division. You have to try to live with that." There is a trip to Blackburn on Saturday and then it is Arsenal at home. The way Newcastle have been playing, there is little expectation either can be won. That would leave Allardyce with one point from 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci 0 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 These quotes are taken out of context imo, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21173 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 In other words: "We aint buying more players for you to play out of position you fat twat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He is right in a way though. I think we have some quality in the side, the issue is how they are playing. Of course he needs a few more players, but Id like to see him get more out of the ones he has. Id think it would be harder for a new player to settle into a side that is trying to learn a system (well we assume thats whats happening) than a side who knows what its doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11030 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have to say I agree with alex again, this isn't Mort slamming the door on the transfers, just saying that throwing wads and wads of cash at new players is the old mentality, one which won us nothing, solved nothing and was in place to placate the masses, rather than fix the problem. We do need a creative spark to ignite things from the middle of the park, but simply rushing out and buying the first player who matches those rather vague and hopeful criteria will not necessarily bear fruit. Mort is calling for a considered approach and ... patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Duff, Zoggy, Milner and Emre should be able to create us enough chances...and if they aren't should be used as makeweights to bring in players that can. It's totally right to put an end to spending millions and recouping nothing from players relegated to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3609 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have to say I agree with alex again, this isn't Mort slamming the door on the transfers, just saying that throwing wads and wads of cash at new players is the old mentality, one which won us nothing, solved nothing and was in place to placate the masses, rather than fix the problem. We do need a creative spark to ignite things from the middle of the park, but simply rushing out and buying the first player who matches those rather vague and hopeful criteria will not necessarily bear fruit. Mort is calling for a considered approach and ... patience We don't need them new fangled ideas round here, patience indeed. We need a trophy signing and we need it now! (although in fairness if they really do just keep their "powder dry" and don't add to the team, it could be an pretty iffy second half of the season results-wise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11030 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. .. erm, I think you're forgetting someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3609 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. .. erm, I think you're forgetting someone... Living proof that some black men can't jump also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11030 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Racialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3609 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Sorry forgive me that should read: Living proof that some nigerian geordies can't jump also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. Djorkeaff (sp?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11030 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. Djorkeaff (sp?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3609 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 He's right they aren't playing, but at least in midfield I can't see some issues being sorted without new player/s. I think playing two central midfielders in the middle and N'Zogbia and Milner on their correct wings would make a difference though. Not saying an injection of creativity would be a bad thing btw. Just that Allardyce should and could be getting better performances from what he already has. Maybe, and he probably should, I just can't see us getting where people want us to be without much more from there (which can only be got with new players or if some of our current players have a mid-career renaissance). Even in a Bolton style of play. Yeah, we need additions although I'm not sure Mort is putting the block on them with his comments, more saying just opening the chequebook is not a quick fix. We haven't got the personnel to play in a Bolton stylee either. Perhaps Allardyce hasn't realised that though. Whoever it was that mentioned that if you looked at the strongest Bolton team Allardyce had it included Okocha, Campo, Hierro, Diouf and the French world cup player (sorry forgotten his name) so although they may have played a direct style of football, they also had technically gifted players who could mix it up and control those direct balls. At the moment the current Newcastle squad doesn't have that technical ability. Djorkeaff (sp?). thanks alex. and fish I can't sleep so that road sign doesn't help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11030 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) How wish I had the time, talent and inclination to write something funny on that sign instead of that tiredness warning.. hint hint ripe for the mockery I feel Edited November 27, 2007 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I think one of the reasons Big Sam is getting so much stick is that we know we have players that can perform and create things, it just appears they aren't being allowed to under his current system. Emre was a perfect example from Saturday, looked scared to cross the half way line. I think we have the players to compete, we just aren't making the best use out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3609 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 How wish I had the time, talent and inclination to write something funny on that sign instead of that tiredness warning.. hint hint ripe for the mockery I feel Actually he set up two in the first half as Sydney beat LA Galaxy 5-3 this evening. Lucky Ingerlund didn't qualify, one of the Sydney players caught his ankle and although he played on, he'll be fucked for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The mousey nosed ginger lawyer and the fat bellied grinner need to start laying some money on the line for players...and not a load of old hasbeens...Drinking in night clubs with supporters and and whatnot will only wash for so long. They need to back SA or get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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