acrossthepond 901 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 From ESPNsoccernet: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...mp;lid=tab1pos1 Civil wars, it appears, are contagious. Yet whatever the long-term repercussions of the transatlantic phone calls and veiled statements that Rafa Benitez and Tom Hicks trade, a more openly hostile relationship unravelled: that between Sam Allardyce and the Newcastle support. During a second half of extraordinary ineptitude, the derisory chorus from the home fans - though the travelling Liverpool supporters were happy to join in - was: 'Big Sam for England'. Their previous verdict had been: 'You don't know what you're doing.' With such a poisonous atmosphere, even if the performance rather justified them, opponents are hardly required to provide antagonists. As Joey Barton, in a remark that was both nonsensical and perceptive, said: 'The big thing about Newcastle is that there is only Newcastle in Newcastle.' With no one else to dilute the focus, even a man such as Allardyce, whose confidence carries him to the brink of arrogance, can flounder. Welcome to Newcastle United, where visitors can be crushed by the warmth of the welcome and the home side by the weight of expectations. Welcome to St James' Park, half of it resembling the Nou Camp and half Pride Park, which rather sums Newcastle United up. They have aims as lofty as two of the stands, stretching out into the Newcastle skyline, but their achievements are decidedly more modest. This is where vaunting ambition is married with a distinctly average reality, and never more so than today. It is where injury crises are more common than a clean bill of health, where accident-prone players are routinely signed and those who have rarely suffered from such afflictions develop a disturbing tendency to miss matches. Hence the latest in a long line of makeshift defences seen at St James' Park, an ersatz back three that included two full-backs and was no less embarrassing than the three-man back-line Steve McClaren deployed a year ago in Croatia. The hapless Jose Enrique, in particular, produced a performance to rival Claudio Cacapa's disastrous cameo against Portsmouth. Liverpool duly profited. An in-form Steven Gerrard - amazing how he improves when Frank Lampard is some 150 miles further south - scored a magnificent opener after Lucas Leiva touched a free kick to him. Dirk Kuyt, probably inadvertently, added a second with his knee after Newcastle completely failed to mark at a corner. Ryan Babel, the impressive substitute, added a third after the culmination of a 17-pass move. Had Fernando Torres, otherwise excellent, been clinical in front of goal or Shay Given less reliable, the scoreline would have shown it to be a rout. No wonder, then, that Allardyce kept his players locked in the dressing room for half an hour after the game. He said: 'I had to point out a few things where I think the problems lie. Right after the game is sometimes the right time to do it because it's more emotional and it has more effect. We've hit rock bottom and the moment and we've got to get ourselves out.' If not appeasing the supporters, he certainly did not complain about those who barracked him, adding: 'It's only what you expect here. They're quite within their rights here to show their disapproval. They've paid their money and they've not enjoyed what they've seen.' Defensive weakness is almost a tradition at Newcastle, yet the club now have a manager whose ethos differs dramatically from theirs. With a congenital weakness for centre-forwards on Tyneside, they have appointed a manager who cherishes his defensive midfielders. Newcastle started with two - that being Alan Smith's current role - and added a third in Barton, replacing the far more creative Emre when goals were needed. Perhaps it is the support of owner Mike Ashley - and showing how they defy logic, only Newcastle could have a reclusive billionaire who is conspicuous every week - who wears the shirt with the supposed England centre-forward's name on, but Smith was voted the sponsors' man of the match. It was an announcement that was greeted by an outbreak of laughter. But then it is worth remembering who Newcastle's sponsors are. This is the city that is the home of Northern Rock. It was apt, then, that Benitez has problems with his budget. Obstinate as ever, he is refusing to back down in his row with co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. 'We need to sign three - and I insist three - players now,' he said. 'They know that the manager needs to manage the squad and prepare the squad for this year and for the future.' 'It is not a draft. We know what the transfer window means in Europe. So you need to sign players and talk with the agents now. If not, we will lose some targets now and we will need to do something in the summer and it will be more expensive.' Newcastle, meanwhile, are counting the cost of another embarrassment. MAN OF THE MATCH: Steven Gerrard - An eloquent response after his ineffectual display for England. This was Gerrard at his rampaging best. NEWCASTLE VERDICT: Allardyce has signed five defenders this summer yet Habib Beye, Enrique and Cacapa are already struggling. The defensive solidity that was his hallmark at Bolton looks a long way off. On this evidence, it is doubtful that he will be granted the time he wants. LIVERPOOL VERDICT: They remain unbeaten and excellent away from home. Mediocre for the first half-hour and remarkably dominant for the last, it was a performance of three thirds, each with some improvement, but Gerrard, once again, provided the inspiration. While Benitez abided by his favoured rotation policy, however, Momo Sissoko is hideously out of sorts and Harry Kewell made little impression on a rare start. Newcastle were so poor that it hardly mattered, however. SCREEN TIME: The capacity of St James' Park has been reduced by one this season. The seat that used to be occupied by Freddy Shepherd has been ripped out and replaced by a television for Sam Allardyce, when he sits high up in the Milburn Stand. BRING BACK JACKIE: When the PA announcer asked Dennis Milburn to contact the nearest steward, a comment came: 'We need Jackie, too.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Enrique wasn't that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Beye was quite impressive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Beye was quite impressive today. One of the few who can sleep tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty 4 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Enrique wasn't that bad Kept attempting back-heels in our box and they never came off, was pissing me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Thought Beye had a canny game, Butt had a canny game. No one else comes to mind. Trouble is, I reckon many of them are decent players. Its the system / use of them or instructions they are playing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ......... Trouble is, I reckon many of them are decent players. Its the system / use of them or instructions they are playing to. Probably a lot of truth in that, if they weren't "decent" players they wouldn't be here. That being said, why don't we have a "decent" team. Perhaps Sam's systems, methods, and instructions that worked for him at Bolton are all wrong for the calibre of players he has at his disposal in Newcastle, and if that be so then as a capable manager he should be able to recognise the problems and make adjustments to correct the situation even if it compromises his beliefs and management style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ......... Trouble is, I reckon many of them are decent players. Its the system / use of them or instructions they are playing to. Probably a lot of truth in that, if they weren't "decent" players they wouldn't be here. That being said, why don't we have a "decent" team. Perhaps Sam's systems, methods, and instructions that worked for him at Bolton are all wrong for the calibre of players he has at his disposal in Newcastle, and if that be so then as a capable manager he should be able to recognise the problems and make adjustments to correct the situation even if it compromises his beliefs and management style. Djorkaeff, Jay Jay, Campo, Diouf, Anelka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Thought Beye had a canny game, Butt had a canny game. No one else comes to mind. Trouble is, I reckon many of them are decent players. Its the system / use of them or instructions they are playing to. I thought that, Beye did quite well considering the mess in front of him and Butt because of the fuckign stupid system was doing about 3 jobs as best he could!And obviously Given kept it from being 6 or 7, other than that, not much to praise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 To all the Newcastle fans who chanted "You don't know what you're doing", "Big Sam for England" and "You should have stayed at the Reebok" well done on making a laughing stock of us. You're entitled to your opinion and the team and tactics were shit but that was totally embarrassing and it doesn't help things at all. Also, booing Alan Smith getting MotM was shocking too. It's the same set of fans who hardly sang for Souness's head once in the whole he was here too. Where was you hosility then I wonder? I felt like walking out tbh. Best fans in the universe us like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Aye some of the chanting was embarrassing. I thought the Reebok one was just the pool fans? If not, then it just add to my opinion of the majority. I just sat there in silence. Was odd, even when their 2nd and 3rd went in I didnt bat an eye as I expected it. Felt like saying "Can I go now?" when the final whistle went. At least some sections of the ground were making an effort when in the last 10 I heard a few singing more positive songs. Afterthought : Do we have a song that goes "I dont have to come here for two weeks..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 To all the Newcastle fans who chanted "You don't know what you're doing", "Big Sam for England" and "You should have stayed at the Reebok" well done on making a laughing stock of us. You're entitled to your opinion and the team and tactics were shit but that was totally embarrassing and it doesn't help things at all. Also, booing Alan Smith getting MotM was shocking too. It's the same set of fans who hardly sang for Souness's head once in the whole he was here too. Where was you hosility then I wonder? I felt like walking out tbh. Best fans in the universe us like. Totally agree. "We are the loyalist football supporters the world has ever had............" What a lot of shite, it was embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 I was laughing when people were singing 'One James Milner' like. Is that how bad it's got? Milner is our saviour now? I've got a bit of time for Milner btw but fuck me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Milner should have been on from the start. Then he should have came on to fill the RM void that was plain to see. However, chanting his name for it is not the way forward and it seems to happen more and more over that last couple of managers (Be it for Martins/Milner/Nobby or whoever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 It was incredibly embarrasing. I like Allardyce but his tactics/selections etc yesterday were appaling, but even then its strange how quickly the fans have turned on him so brutally. This wasn't even happening with Souness until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11080 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 It was incredibly embarrasing. I like Allardyce but his tactics/selections etc yesterday were appaling, but even then its strange how quickly the fans have turned on him so brutally. This wasn't even happening with Souness until the end. + = Tha might seem harsh but I swear, we're joint tenth... we've still got 2/3rds of ther season and we've got the cash and opportunity to turn things round. It's incredible how quickly the "fans" have turned on Sam Allradyce. I think many of them were expecting the results and performances he was getting at the end of his reign at Bolton immediately. Football isn't like that and Modern football is tougher than ever for managers. I don't believe people are wanting him gone already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 I don't believe people are wanting him gone already. I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Personally I felt more embarassed by the shocking display on the pitch than by any vocal antics by the crowd, in my opinion they were perfectly entitled to voice their discontent after being insulted by a manager that is either incompetant or too arrogant to change his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Tha might seem harsh but I swear, we're joint tenth... we've still got 2/3rds of ther season and we've got the cash and opportunity to turn things round. It's incredible how quickly the "fans" have turned on Sam Allradyce. I think many of them were expecting the results and performances he was getting at the end of his reign at Bolton immediately. Football isn't like that and Modern football is tougher than ever for managers. I don't believe people are wanting him gone already. We may be 1/3 of the season through but yesterday was our first match against one of the real big clubs. Take a look at the next 2/3rds and convince me that playing the way we did yesterday with the decisions hes made lately things we'll get good results against whats coming up. I dont necessarily want him gone, I want him to start showing the promise he did when we signed him. I cant imagine however that he woke up this morning and thought "fuck Im a daft shite, what was I thinking with those substitutions?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 To all the Newcastle fans who chanted "You don't know what you're doing", "Big Sam for England" and "You should have stayed at the Reebok" well done on making a laughing stock of us. You're entitled to your opinion and the team and tactics were shit but that was totally embarrassing and it doesn't help things at all. Also, booing Alan Smith getting MotM was shocking too. It's the same set of fans who hardly sang for Souness's head once in the whole he was here too. Where was you hosility then I wonder? I felt like walking out tbh. Best fans in the universe us like. Who? You and Gemmil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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