The Official Allardyce out thread

[JawD 99]

Bolton (a) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 0

Villa (h) This Season : 1pts Last Season : 3

Boro (a) This Season : 1pts Last Season : 0

Wigan (h) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 3

Derby (a) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 1 (using Watford)

West Ham (h) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 1

Man city (a) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 1

Everton (h) This Season : 3pts Last Season :1

Spurs (h) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 3

Reading (a) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 0

Portsmouth (h) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 3

Mackems (a) This Season : 1pts Last Season : 3 (Sheff Utd)

Liverpool (h) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 3

Blackburn (a) This Season : 0pts Last Season : 3

Arsenal (h) This Season : 1pts Last Season : 1

Birmingham (h) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 1 (Charlton)

Fulham (a) This Season : 3pts Last Season : 0

Derby (h) This Season : 1pts Last Season : 3 (Watford)

Wigan (a) This season : 0pts Last Season : 0

 

Total This season : 26 pts

Total Last Season : 30 pts

 

corrected the Fulham game. total is the same. I guess I put 1pt as still couldnt believe we got 3 from that

[@yourservice 67]

Edited December 26, 2007 by @yourservice

[Baggio 0]

I can't see him turning this around.

[JawD 99]

I can't see him turning around.

 

Thats because he's so fat it happens really really slowly

[NJS 4386]

Looks like he's digging his heels in when asked about his position

http://www.skysports.com/video/0,20285,12606_3006243,00.html

 

 

Edit: sort this fucking board out for posting videos!

 

So we have to stop good teams and now we also have to stop teams "who are fighting".

 

Fuck off you incompetent, negative piece of shit.

[@yourservice 67]

The man is really out of his depth at this club,he should have went for the England job when it became available at the time,he's had his chance of managing the big one but now!,he's been sussed out big style at this club,he probably could have even took Bolton on a stage further!,further than Newcastle anyway the way things were and are going.

Edited December 26, 2007 by @yourservice

[Asprilla 96]

Crikey...

 

If he was picking a side that made sense and talking about going to places like Wigan and looking to bully them I wouldn't mind the result so much. He sounds like he's lost all confidence and that normally spells the end.....

[Jimbo 175]

Has he really been found out ? look at his final months at Bolton they took sixteen points from a possible forty-eight and were conceding two goals a game. In the same period Newcastle under Roeder also won four and gained one more point than the Trotters. In both cases, it was relegation form over an extended period.

 

It was enough to get Roeder the sack, and yet Allardyce got the Newcastle job.

 

Is it any surprise he's performing so badly ?

[acrossthepond 877]

He's lost the plot. Let's get rid before we lose it too.

 

Not sure what else to say, the guy is clueless and whatever he did at Bolton counts for sweet bugger-all here. I'm sick of hearing about it. All he knows is negative football which would be fine if it worked. But playing for draws against Wigan, Reading, Derby (??) is unacceptable no matter what depths we have sunk to (not to mention we didn't get draws against any of them.)

 

Everyone talking about "the Keegan era is over" etc etc - fine. We know. It's been over for a while. I wonder when the "shite football era" will be over. I think we could make a start of it by offloading the fat bastard now before he can scrape through another couple of lucky wins and deceive people.

[@yourservice 67]

Has he really been found out ? look at his final months at Bolton they took sixteen points from a possible forty-eight and were conceding two goals a game. In the same period Newcastle under Roeder also won four and gained one more point than the Trotters. In both cases, it was relegation form over an extended period.

 

It was enough to get Roeder the sack, and yet Allardyce got the Newcastle job.

 

Is it any surprise he's performing so badly ?

 

Ok,he's been found out by Newcastle fans who never really took any notice of Boltons plight at the time and got caught up in the hype of him being a great manager,touted for the England job etc I'd like to know where his own backroom staff are?still Terry Mac and Pearson i see hmmm! Makes you wonder if his previous really loved it under him

[NJS 4386]

The thing is Bolton weren't consistently good - they had a couple of good seasons followed by average - not a sign of constant progress or a plan. I think overall they were no more at the level of a Souness/Roeder team with breaks one way or another depending on the year - say Roeder last year if Owen hadn't been injured and we'd finished 6th/7th (not that ludicrous an idea).

 

This is why I was never inspired by his appointment . I always referred to Wimbledon of old as football murderers because their primary aim was to destroy football and get the 90 minutes over with as quickly as possible but with an effective edge - exactly as Bolton were with varying degrees of success.

 

As has been said before the argument that better players to work with and/or more money would mean that effectiveness would be more consistent is proving worryingly elusive so far.

 

I have also said in the past that I thought the idea that most Newcastle fans want "proper" football above all else was a myth - I always argued the way large sections of the ground bayed for the ball to be "twatted forward" on occasion proved that a winning form of long ball football would be popular. I think now that that view may have been a little harsh and there is a lot of the mythical knowledge among the fans that that kind of football is ineffective as any kind of long term plan in the modern game - another sign that Allardyce is the wrong man for us.

 

Another point I'd make is that the basic mistakes he's made this season should have been apparent from analysis of his infamous data - a sign it useless unless you can read it?

[Norbert Colon 0]

My big worry is that on current form (and we have been playing the also rans in the main) is that we may be THE team that gets dragged into a relegation situation from mid table - there is always one - accompanied by the cries that they are too big to go down.

 

Maybe its pessimistic and thats fair enough but it is a real danger as everybody else improves(tottenham, birmingham, wigan etc) we are fading badly

[Jimbo 175]

My big worry is that on current form (and we have been playing the also rans in the main) is that we may be THE team that gets dragged into a relegation situation from mid table - there is always one - accompanied by the cries that they are too big to go down.

 

Maybe its pessimistic and thats fair enough but it is a real danger as everybody else improves(tottenham, birmingham, wigan etc) we are fading badly

 

Is it any coincidence that all thost teams have new managers ????

 

Of course not, changing manager does nothing, does it ?

[NJS 4386]

My big worry is that on current form (and we have been playing the also rans in the main) is that we may be THE team that gets dragged into a relegation situation from mid table - there is always one - accompanied by the cries that they are too big to go down.

 

Maybe its pessimistic and thats fair enough but it is a real danger as everybody else improves(tottenham, birmingham, wigan etc) we are fading badly

 

Is it any coincidence that all thost teams have new managers ????

 

Of course not, changing manager does nothing, does it ?

 

Missed Bolton as well.

[Jimbo 175]

My big worry is that on current form (and we have been playing the also rans in the main) is that we may be THE team that gets dragged into a relegation situation from mid table - there is always one - accompanied by the cries that they are too big to go down.

 

Maybe its pessimistic and thats fair enough but it is a real danger as everybody else improves(tottenham, birmingham, wigan etc) we are fading badly

 

Is it any coincidence that all thost teams have new managers ????

 

Of course not, changing manager does nothing, does it ?

 

Missed Bolton as well.

 

I'd rather have fans snigger at us for changing manager than sniggering at us week in week out for fucking up against the likes of Derby and Wigan etc.

[NJS 4386]

I'd rather have fans snigger at us for changing manager than sniggering at us week in week out for fucking up against the likes of Derby and Wigan etc.

 

As long as he doesn't go for Bruce

 

I think either losing to Stoke or a not very unlikely pointless January could see the pressure become too much.

 

Cue Shearer as caretaker till the summer.

 

(Not saying thats what I want but its feasible)

[Norbert Colon 0]

Yes Bolton aswell - But few of the aforementioned are as fucking awful to watch as us - even that would be a consolation - a time in the game where we may create a scoring opportunity would be nice - I dunno maybe its the players to blame - surely a professional footballer on 40k a week should be able to pass a ball fairly accurately - ah well at least Glenns doing well with the canaries - nice man - boring but nice

[Jimbo 175]

Yes Bolton aswell - But few of the aforementioned are as fucking awful to watch as us - even that would be a consolation - a time in the game where we may create a scoring opportunity would be nice - I dunno maybe its the players to blame - surely a professional footballer on 40k a week should be able to pass a ball fairly accurately - ah well at least Glenns doing well with the canaries - nice man - boring but nice

 

Players must shoulder some of the blame but the majority of it must always be the manager, it is he that selects the team, selects the formation and delivers the team talk, is it any coincidence that so many of our goals conceeded are within ten minutes of the start ? or half time ? perhaps his team talks aren't as inspiring as he'd have us to believe !

[Kid Dynamite 7030]

We have played 10 times since we beat spurs 3-1. Our best performances since then were our loss to blackburn and a draw with arsenal. The other 8 games have been some of the worst football i have seen us play since the late 90s when we had the likes of robinson and gallagher up front.

 

If we hadnt won a few points the first few weeks of the season we would be in serious shit right now!

[Guest alex]

I think the amount of dosh released (or not) in January for signings will be pretty telling re: Allardyce's long-term future.

[RlCO 0]

Yes Bolton aswell - But few of the aforementioned are as fucking awful to watch as us - even that would be a consolation - a time in the game where we may create a scoring opportunity would be nice - I dunno maybe its the players to blame - surely a professional footballer on 40k a week should be able to pass a ball fairly accurately - ah well at least Glenns doing well with the canaries - nice man - boring but nice

 

Players must shoulder some of the blame but the majority of it must always be the manager, it is he that selects the team, selects the formation and delivers the team talk, is it any coincidence that so many of our goals conceeded are within ten minutes of the start ? or half time ? perhaps his team talks aren't as inspiring as he'd have us to believe !

 

I'm always intrigued by how many players seem to be able to be shit under 3 or more managers at NUFC, yet never get called on it. Then when they leave, or where they were before they arrived, they were ok footballers.

[RlCO 0]

I think the amount of dosh released (or not) in January for signings will be pretty telling re: Allardyce's long-term future.

 

Mort has already indicated a while ago he didn't think new players were what was needed, and if I remember, BSA agreed (excepting the remarks about this squad being his 3rd choices).

[Guest alex]

I think the amount of dosh released (or not) in January for signings will be pretty telling re: Allardyce's long-term future.

 

Mort has already indicated a while ago he didn't think new players were what was needed, and if I remember, BSA agreed (excepting the remarks about this squad being his 3rd choices).

I think he said buying players wasn't a 'quick fix' which was, rightly or wrongly, interpreted by the papers (and some fans) as meaning there was no money available.

[RlCO 0]

I think the amount of dosh released (or not) in January for signings will be pretty telling re: Allardyce's long-term future.

 

Mort has already indicated a while ago he didn't think new players were what was needed, and if I remember, BSA agreed (excepting the remarks about this squad being his 3rd choices).

I think he said buying players wasn't a 'quick fix' which was, rightly or wrongly, interpreted by the papers (and some fans) as meaning there was no money available.

 

There's money available definitely (seeing as everyone pooh poohed my Umbro / Owen conspiracy theory thread), but if the manager and chairman aren't minded that new players are needed, then not buying anyone in Jan doesn't really say anything does it?

[Guest alex]

I think the amount of dosh released (or not) in January for signings will be pretty telling re: Allardyce's long-term future.

 

Mort has already indicated a while ago he didn't think new players were what was needed, and if I remember, BSA agreed (excepting the remarks about this squad being his 3rd choices).

I think he said buying players wasn't a 'quick fix' which was, rightly or wrongly, interpreted by the papers (and some fans) as meaning there was no money available.

 

There's money available definitely (seeing as everyone pooh poohed my Umbro / Owen conspiracy theory thread), but if the manager and chairman aren't minded that new players are needed, then not buying anyone in Jan doesn't really say anything does it?

Yeah, if that's the case. I just don't think you could say one way or the other from that Mort interview.