Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what is a 'grid'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what is a 'grid'? Presumably those internal mail envelopes with a table (grid) on for writing destinations one after the other. They're now saying the NAO only wanted the childs names and NI numbers, and the dept decided not to separate the parents banking data because it would cost too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4454 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I've said before that any so called professional outfit that is infected with a virus should have its IT manager sacked on the spot. Rule 2 in Neil's guide to IT professionalism - no non-home PC should have a CD/DVD writer. Ever. It really is basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I've said before that any so called professional outfit that is infected with a virus should have its IT manager sacked on the spot. Rule 2 in Neil's guide to IT professionalism - no non-home PC should have a CD/DVD writer. Ever. It really is basics. Does that still stand with everybody having usb memory sticks now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11112 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 It'll be some EO or HEO who's inherited the job cos their boss is off, or they were promoted due to seniority or some such shtick. If the media outlets aren't throwing money at civil servants to find out who exactly is responsible I'll eat my hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Disgracefully, the main ITN news last night was virtually outting him, they reckoned he was 23, an AO (Admin Officer) and had resigned yesterday. If thats true then this is a total disgrace, Im not a union person or someone who believes in striking but this is one time that I would happily come out in support. If the lad's an AO then theres no way he should have been in a position to do anything of the sort never mind the fact that (according to rumour) he sent an email to his boss questioning the validity of sending it the way they did and was told to do it. As for the senior management refusing to provide a smaller chunk of the data without any of the sensitive material because of cost then I can believe that. The place has become a joke with its cost cutting and silly red tape stopping people doing their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4454 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I've said before that any so called professional outfit that is infected with a virus should have its IT manager sacked on the spot. Rule 2 in Neil's guide to IT professionalism - no non-home PC should have a CD/DVD writer. Ever. It really is basics. Does that still stand with everybody having usb memory sticks now? No local drive access, no access to USB ports, no floppy and no CD/DVD is a good starting point. In fact with the price of flash rom, I'd expect business PCs within a couple of years have no HDs and run windows from memory - the HDs on our production PCs now do nothing but host/run the O/S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 a year or so ago I had to go to an outfit who do a lot of work for the military & GCHQ - check in phones, computers on the front door, metal detectors, all offices swipe carded with limited access, stand alone internal network, completely seperate bunch of machines for talking to the outside world with no connection to the work system and they felt they weren't THAT secure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 a year or so ago I had to go to an outfit who do a lot of work for the military & GCHQ - check in phones, computers on the front door, metal detectors, all offices swipe carded with limited access, stand alone internal network, completely seperate bunch of machines for talking to the outside world with no connection to the work system and they felt they weren't THAT secure I'd have thought that'd be the very least this sort of data would be stored on. Although if it had been passed upstairs and back down as mentioned I guess it still wouldn't have mattered. The really scary issue comes down to them having ID card database or a UK wide DNA database and it being ran like this, which it patently would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Really senior people don't want to mess with passwords and authorising release of data to the minions FFS the workers just want to be able to access everything without all the password bollocks and move stuff around - its called doing the job so people will always try and shortcut any IT rules and restrictions I have a nice piece of Russian software that breaks pdf passwords for example so I can copy diagrams ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Really senior people don't want to mess with passwords and authorising release of data to the minions FFS Or in this case just didn't want to spend the cash to remove the sensitive data (as only names were required), if those allegations are to be believed. the workers just want to be able to access everything without all the password bollocks and move stuff around - its called doing the job so people will always try and shortcut any IT rules and restrictions I have a nice piece of Russian software that breaks pdf passwords for example so I can copy diagrams ............ There should be a bit of a difference in the level of security required to break a pdf password and safeguard 25,000,000 peoples bank and NI details though. The strange thing is that you don't need massive security to stop huge databases being easily copied (although as I mentioned if the senior management was directly involved in the way mentioned any amount of security is irrelevant). Although in reality there's actually probably more security in a pdf file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31647 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I've said before that any so called professional outfit that is infected with a virus should have its IT manager sacked on the spot. Rule 2 in Neil's guide to IT professionalism - no non-home PC should have a CD/DVD writer. Ever. It really is basics. Does that still stand with everybody having usb memory sticks now? At work we have some sort of specially encrypted USB stick for transferring files, no other sort of USB sticks, hard drives or CD writers will work with the computer. Makes sense really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4454 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Really senior people don't want to mess with passwords and authorising release of data to the minions FFS That's why its piss poor management which should have conseqences. If they don't want the mess they should be sacked or not promoted. If they think they are "too important" for security they should be chucked out of their buildings instantly. The "good" thing about this is that it might wake a few idiots up - though I'm doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Unfortunately security is seen as something that gets in the way of doing the day job - you don't get marks for keeping stuff secure - you get marks for doing the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Operator 10 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Aye this AO is holed up in a hotel with 24 hour protection from kidnappers wanting to access the disks!! He's on full pay as well apparently, would love to know if his manager, their manager and the head of whatever dept. are still at work! Fucking disgrace if he's sacked imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Think everyone within a couple of degrees of separation of this will retire sick due to 'stress'. Public sector perk tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Think everyone within a couple of degrees of separation of this will retire sick due to 'stress'. Public sector perk tbh. Well off on full pay for a year or two with "stress" first, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Operator 10 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I know of an employee whose been on full pay for 2 years and is sat at home with his feet up after his office was closed and he was so stressed cos he loved the buidling so much!! FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11112 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I know of an employee whose been on full pay for 2 years and is sat at home with his feet up after his office was closed and he was so stressed cos he loved the buidling so much!! FFS. we all know Wacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I know of an employee whose been on full pay for 2 years and is sat at home with his feet up after his office was closed and he was so stressed cos he loved the buidling so much!! FFS. we all know Wacky Was just saying to wor lass last night I wish it was me that had lost them, be on the sick with stress until I retired from the DWP with my full pension, would fucking love it. Meantime I would be getting hammered in the hotel bar to relieve the pressure, all at the expense of the DWP, wouldn't give a rats rectum tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Just been given the lowdown from the Grade 6 (ie the bosses bosses boss), most of the stories are bollocks, nobody has resigned (apart from Paul Gray :yayyyyyy!!! ) nobody is in a safe house (where that shite came from this morning gawd knows!) and so far nobody has been disciplined... so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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