Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 the fact they spent £35m on Carroll and £23m on Suarez shows serious intent by the owners to get the club back into the top 4. I'm not really disagreeing with your fundamental underlying point here but let's not make out that their owners went and spent £57m of their own money. They reinvested the £50m they made by selling Torres and then paid a little extra. They got another £8 mill or so for that dutch (I think) winger/striker who's name escapes me. Babel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 We'll be lucky to see ten million spent and it will be the same old shite when the window shuts. "We went in for 'insert name' but because clubs know we have money to spend we were being quoted stupid fees, we will not be held to ransom" or some shit like that. exactly Were ganna buy shyte players, from shyte countries, for shyte money and show no ambition to replace our good players which we will undoubtedly sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 the fact they spent £35m on Carroll and £23m on Suarez shows serious intent by the owners to get the club back into the top 4. I'm not really disagreeing with your fundamental underlying point here but let's not make out that their owners went and spent £57m of their own money. They reinvested the £50m they made by selling Torres and then paid a little extra. Agreed, but where as they went straight out and replaced Torres with Suarez and Carroll, it surely shows that all they were bothered about was re investing the money back into the transfer kitty where as ours is being invested into wages and most probably signing on fees! IYAM, Liverpool had accepted the offer in principle from Chelsea on the basis they could get cover, that cover being Carroll. They knew they were losing a player and were not happy to sell him until they were sure they had someone coming in. We on the other end decided to put bids in for Charles N'Zogbia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 the only way enrique will leave is either the fat twat and lambeyarse will force him out or if he sees a tempting offer from a bigger club Remind me again what the other alternatives are then? 1.Sold against will 2.Request transfer 3.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 It's quite disappointing really, Jose genuinely loves the club and loves the fans, If he was given a personal guarantee (not that a guarantee from NUFC is worth anything!!) that all that £35m was being spent on players and we were gunning for Europe I'd have thought he'd stay in a heartbeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) the fact they spent £35m on Carroll and £23m on Suarez shows serious intent by the owners to get the club back into the top 4. I'm not really disagreeing with your fundamental underlying point here but let's not make out that their owners went and spent £57m of their own money. They reinvested the £50m they made by selling Torres and then paid a little extra. Agreed, but where as they went straight out and replaced Torres with Suarez and Carroll, it surely shows that all they were bothered about was re investing the money back into the transfer kitty where as ours is being invested into wages and most probably signing on fees! IYAM, Liverpool had accepted the offer in principle from Chelsea on the basis they could get cover, that cover being Carroll. They knew they were losing a player and were not happy to sell him until they were sure they had someone coming in. We on the other end decided to put bids in for Charles N'Zogbia! But we are no liverpool, they always had much more of a chance of getting a quality replacement. Id rather us survive till the end of the season and then address the situation with a quality replacement when much more is available than a panic buy that we'd be lumbered with in january. Fwiw i do think we will spend quite a bit in the summer and we'll all be pleasantly suprised. If not then even myself, the eternal optimist will turn. FMA has one last chance to get it right, this summer is it. Edited April 11, 2011 by Tioté's Nutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Aye tbf TN has a go at Tecato for being overly negative, but he's just the other side of the same coin. Thats fair enough....two sides of the coin isnt it? Id rather be the way i am tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But whats going to happen if he does fuck it up again? Nothing. He's going to still be in charge and still fucking us up royally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. and what? we cant even organise a good anti-Ashley chant now hes fucked off the singing section. The only thing that will change is some of the remaining optimists (such as yourself) will realise what he is, 2 weeks later he'll buy someone a pint or Dekka will come out with some bollocks about pushing forward, balance sheet looking better etc and half of you will be back on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42461 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Sorry mate but if you think Ashley is going to pull in quality players this summer , you're deluded- seriously deluded. The Fat Man has made it abundantly clear he's not spending any more of "his" money on "our" club. Sell to buy, including wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. and what? we cant even organise a good anti-Ashley chant now hes fucked off the singing section. The only thing that will change is some of the remaining optimists (such as yourself) will realise what he is, 2 weeks later he'll buy someone a pint or Dekka will come out with some bollocks about pushing forward, balance sheet looking better etc and half of you will be back on board. No. If he fucks up this time then i wont be on board. Im holding out hope that he will do whats right for the club. If he doesnt then il hold my hands up and admit i was wrong to stay positive. I think that alot of people will blow if things go wrong in the summer. Personally i think he'll either spend 30mil+ or he'll sell up and fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Im afraid you're going to be disappointed on two counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Sorry mate but if you think Ashley is going to pull in quality players this summer , you're deluded- seriously deluded. The Fat Man has made it abundantly clear he's not spending any more of "his" money on "our" club. Sell to buy, including wages. Maybe so but we can get SOME quality with what money is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 the fact they spent £35m on Carroll and £23m on Suarez shows serious intent by the owners to get the club back into the top 4. I'm not really disagreeing with your fundamental underlying point here but let's not make out that their owners went and spent £57m of their own money. They reinvested the £50m they made by selling Torres and then paid a little extra. Agreed, but where as they went straight out and replaced Torres with Suarez and Carroll, it surely shows that all they were bothered about was re investing the money back into the transfer kitty where as ours is being invested into wages and most probably signing on fees! IYAM, Liverpool had accepted the offer in principle from Chelsea on the basis they could get cover, that cover being Carroll. They knew they were losing a player and were not happy to sell him until they were sure they had someone coming in. We on the other end decided to put bids in for Charles N'Zogbia! But we are no liverpool, they always had much more of a chance of getting a quality replacement. Id rather us survive till the end of the season and then address the situation with a quality replacement when much more is available than a panic buy that we'd be lumbered with in january. Fwiw i do think we will spend quite a bit in the summer and we'll all be pleasantly suprised. If not then even myself, the eternal optimist will turn. FMA has one last chance to get it right, this summer is it. We're not Liverpool no and we don't spend as much as them, however they knew Torres was off and found their replacement straight away, didnt pussyfoot about it, and stuck in an offer until we accepted. According to reports on the last day of the transfer window we all knew that there was a high chance Carroll would be sold, yet we paniced and didn't have any plan when the offer was finally accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17285 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Do what if he doesnt stump up for a few proven players this summer? What can we do about it if its loans, frees and cheapo has beens which are likely to see us flirting with relegation at best? The last 3 years have proven we're utterly powerless, anything tried is either an angry, well intentioned yet directionless protest or a clique-y, ego driven, village hall comittee bullshit fest.Thats not a dig at the folk on here who have been involved in NUSC/T, who come over as eminently sensible and I'm sure there are many more out there of the same nature, but it strikes me as its the egotists and operators who get to the posistions of power, and then can't do the sort of small time "democracy" thats needed for the role. If I've read the NUST thread wrong then apologies to those concerned, but its a huge wasted oppotunity. We're stuck with the fucker, just as he's largely stuck with us as I personally suspect he overpaid initially for us and now after all his "investment" we're hugely overpriced. So we're all fucked really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42461 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Sorry mate but if you think Ashley is going to pull in quality players this summer , you're deluded- seriously deluded. The Fat Man has made it abundantly clear he's not spending any more of "his" money on "our" club. Sell to buy, including wages. Maybe so but we can get SOME quality with what money is available. What, like Shefki? I'm all for a bit of optimism mate, but you're in denial here. If we sign , for example , 5 players in summer ( ) I'll guarantee you 4 of them will be out of contract, free to a good home , shite. Ashley will not sell the club unless he gets £100million + every penny he's "loaned" us. If he can't sell us, and our value drops sufficiently, as it will under his current operating policy, we'll be broken up into saleable chunks and out of existence without a second thought from Wor Mikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. Sorry mate but if you think Ashley is going to pull in quality players this summer , you're deluded- seriously deluded. The Fat Man has made it abundantly clear he's not spending any more of "his" money on "our" club. Sell to buy, including wages. Maybe so but we can get SOME quality with what money is available. What, like Shefki? I'm all for a bit of optimism mate, but you're in denial here. If we sign , for example , 5 players in summer ( ) I'll guarantee you 4 of them will be out of contract, free to a good home , shite. Ashley will not sell the club unless he gets £100million + every penny he's "loaned" us. If he can't sell us, and our value drops sufficiently, as it will under his current operating policy, we'll be broken up into saleable chunks and out of existence without a second thought from Wor Mikey. Not delusion...optimism...hope...like i said, if we dont have a good summer then i will hold my hands up and change my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. I know what your saying pud and its fair enough he's had far too many chances and fucked most of them up but this time we've seen our best player sold for a huge amount of money. Looks likely another one of our players is leaving for a decent figure....this time he has NO excuse if he doesnt reinvest with quality. This really is last chance saloon. and what? we cant even organise a good anti-Ashley chant now hes fucked off the singing section. The only thing that will change is some of the remaining optimists (such as yourself) will realise what he is, 2 weeks later he'll buy someone a pint or Dekka will come out with some bollocks about pushing forward, balance sheet looking better etc and half of you will be back on board. No. If he fucks up this time then i wont be on board. Im holding out hope that he will do whats right for the club. If he doesnt then il hold my hands up and admit i was wrong to stay positive. I think that alot of people will blow if things go wrong in the summer. Personally i think he'll either spend 30mil+ or he'll sell up and fuck off. Im afraid you're going to be disappointed on two counts. Absolutely spot on Pud. Either option you've put there would be favourable to all the anti-Ashley clan. However we're realistic enough to know he'll do neither. He'll spend fuck all and will still be lingering about like the massive turd that won't flush round the U bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 BTW I almost guarantee that the deciding factor for Ashley to let Enrique go was the fact that Shane Ferguson appears to have been accepted and admired by the fans. Rather than us having a capable young prospect to provide decent backup cover with a view to take over in years to come, Ashley's decided to dispense with the idea of developing a squad as well as a team. Ferguson should be replacing Enrique on merit (like Kelly has by replacing Johnson at Liverpool), not by virtue of a simple fact that the bloke who had the shirt has been sold for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 One last chance....until the next last chance time after time after time we say this is their last chance. Hes set himself up a bar tab in last chance saloon. This sounds a lot like the Barton haters a few years back. I pointed out he'd been tea total for over a year, but it felt on stupid deaf ear. He spent 5m in January last year and we brought in Tiote and HBA in the summer. How on Earth is he on last chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4728 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Doesn't matter what Ashley does we'll all still be hanging on every game next season. Last season was enjoyable, this season has being quite enjoyable and Im pretty sure next season will be similar to this. Are we going to be challenging for the top four any time soon? No. Did anyone think we would be? No. Im expecting the summer to see Enrique go and hopefully Barton stay, (although I think he'll get some great offers to go). I expect us to sign some decent players, who may not be CL quality, but will still be better than what we have (Best / Shola) as well as some cheaper gambles from the continent and lower leagues to bulk up the squad. I expect us to start next season with a better squad than today and hopefully a very decent first 11 that will be capable of challenging for Europe or a good cup run. A first 11 that contains Colochini, Simpson, Tiote, Nolan, Barton, Ben Arfa will still be an exciting team, particularly if the additions are decent. (And not forgetting the possibility of Gosling and Ireland coming good). We are lead to believe that we will be making a profit this season and next, which can only be good news all round. We will be in a better position that a lot of the teams around us so the outlook imo is not bleak. A few decent seasons with steady improvement and we may well become a regular top 6 side. To expect much better is deluded given the money splashing about the top four. So the bottom line is this. You can fret about relegation, cling to the past (near) glory of the Keegan era or simply just accept that we are where we are and that doesn't mean we cant move forward and doesn't stop supporting Newcastle being an enjoyable pass time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Doesn't matter what Ashley does we'll all still be hanging on every game next season. Last season was enjoyable, this season has being quite enjoyable and Im pretty sure next season will be similar to this. Are we going to be challenging for the top four any time soon? No. Did anyone think we would be? No. Im expecting the summer to see Enrique go and hopefully Barton stay, (although I think he'll get some great offers to go). I expect us to sign some decent players, who may not be CL quality, but will still be better than what we have (Best / Shola) as well as some cheaper gambles from the continent and lower leagues to bulk up the squad. I expect us to start next season with a better squad than today and hopefully a very decent first 11 that will be capable of challenging for Europe or a good cup run. A first 11 that contains Colochini, Simpson, Tiote, Nolan, Barton, Ben Arfa will still be an exciting team, particularly if the additions are decent. (And not forgetting the possibility of Gosling and Ireland coming good). We are lead to believe that we will be making a profit this season and next, which can only be good news all round. We will be in a better position that a lot of the teams around us so the outlook imo is not bleak. A few decent seasons with steady improvement and we may well become a regular top 6 side. To expect much better is deluded given the money splashing about the top four. So the bottom line is this. You can fret about relegation, cling to the past (near) glory of the Keegan era or simply just accept that we are where we are and that doesn't mean we cant move forward and doesn't stop supporting Newcastle being an enjoyable pass time. SPOT ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4728 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 BTW I almost guarantee that the deciding factor for Ashley to let Enrique go was the fact that Shane Ferguson appears to have been accepted and admired by the fans. Rather than us having a capable young prospect to provide decent backup cover with a view to take over in years to come, Ashley's decided to dispense with the idea of developing a squad as well as a team. Ferguson should be replacing Enrique on merit (like Kelly has by replacing Johnson at Liverpool), not by virtue of a simple fact that the bloke who had the shirt has been sold for profit. That's rubbish. Enrique refused to enter contract negotiations long before Ferguson stepped in. He wants more than we can offer football wise and its as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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