José Enrique

[LeazesMag 0]

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"planning"

 

FYP

 

obsessed

[DEADMAN 0]

blyme talk about a long topic of blah blah blah lol takes me half an hour to get at bottom of page haha

[LeazesMag 0]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

[Guest]

I hardly know where to start, this is so full of irrational rubbish it's unbelievable.

 

If you don't wish to make a judgement on Mike Ashley, that is up to you, but I have, and I did it a while ago. Many people disagreed and I got flak for it, including the supposedly smart lads on skunkers and the True Faith writers [who move the goalposts like you are doing rather than admit they got it totally wrong]. To me, his limited ambition for the club is obvious, it is so obvious it sticks out a million miles and was so very early on after he took over. If you have seen it before it is easier to spot.......

 

I would interpret his limited ambition to be due to the fact that he’s in for over £100mill – all his own fault admittedly.

 

As for the Fairs Cup, I'm older than you, I saw every home game, to say I don't appreciate that when I have told you that I have met all the players and some of them have told me that the club should have built on this and moved on to more is an unbelievable comment.

 

Of course the club “should” have built on it, but they didn’t. BUT to say because they didn’t build on it means it was worth nowt is ludicrous, it was the last major thing we won, so to me it was the highest of the high anytime since, the game is about winning stuff after all.

 

The club needed a re-build and a period of consolidation before aiming higher again after Bobby Robson and the farce of Souness, I've said this, it was the same as the initial first few years of Bobby Robson until they backed him and he got the team back into the top places. You simply can't say they would not have done the same again having done it once, but I can say with absolutely certainty that Mike Ashley wouldn't because he has missed the boat twice already to do it, once when he lost Keegan through going behind his back and again this season now having sold our best striker on deadline day and repeated exactly the same incompetence shown when Milner was sold, showing that he has not learned from mistakes and in all probability now the conclusion is that he doesn't even want to.

 

First Bolded bit, no I can’t say for certain BUT based upon the way the world has turned I cannot conceive of where they could have got the money from, they certainly didn’t have it themselves.

 

Second bolded bit – KK said he’d have sold him, anyway how many times has he played since ????

 

You show your irrational hatred all the time by the way, when you constantly refer to "Shepherd" as the owner and running the club single handedly, when it was always the Halls and Shepherd. How many times does this basic common sense need to be said ?

 

Oh bloody hell man, it’s a label, you and me both know I mean the “regime” FFS was the face/embodiment of said regime.

 

Lastly, you need to understand the difference between "successful" and "bigger". Liverpool have been massively successful over 4 decades [by buying trophy players too ironically including some of ours, still you know best] but they are not bigger. The Keegan years and the overall Halls and Shepherd years have shown this, where we only needed a whiff of success to get bigger crowds and finish above them a few times. They only lose a few games and struggle to fill a 44000 stadium, we would fill a 70,000 with local support alone if we had even a fraction of the success they have had the Keegan years particularly proved that.

 

Sadly success begets “bigness” within the game. We didn’t get the success of winning despite the “whiff” of it and despite the if’s and if only’s, by any measure you want to use Liverpool have been and are still considered a bigger club than us. Any player given a fair choice with all things being equal would choose them over us just now (and for some time past) Very sad but true.

 

I'm expecting more rubbish in response by the way, especially a lack of awareness of the size of the club, you still don't tell us how often you supported the club before 1992 and how often since which says a lot about your views on the club and Kevin Keegan.

 

I am fully aware that NUFC is a massive club in any measure in all but the one that counts and that’s winning stuff, sadly clubs we could overtake in the “bigness” stakes have won lots of stuff and as such are considered bigger. Especially now as qualifying for the Champions league and it’s money are the new “winning things”, we missed that financial boat (or rather fell out of it).

 

As for my “support” – not that it’s relevant, some years all home games 70’s mainly and 80’s never religiously, some years half a dozen games maybe, since first game in 1969, I only ever had a season ticket after KK came back as a manager because the Mrs bought me it because she was pissed off how early I had to leave the house to get into the ground to “pay on the gate”. Plenty of gaps in attendance due to work and I’ve seen days when me and my mates tossed a coin on whether to go in or go to the pub, the game lost sometimes.

 

Not my be all and end all by any stretch.

 

Edit.

 

Liverpool supporters, by the way, look back on the Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish years as their standards and expectations [and it appears you foolishly do the same by insinuating they are "bigger" than us for it]. Would you also say they are "cherry picking" ?

 

No they’re not cherry picking because they actually won stuff for heavens sake which added to their reputation and expectation, the winning of LOTS of stuff also created their “bigness”. Just look at the size of the sponsorship deals the buggers get, 2nd only to Man U.

 

I really can’t get that emotional about it all to “hate” anyone, there’s a lot more to life than football to be honest, and I’ve felt that way for many years.

 

bookmark this thread.

 

Edit. In actual fact, the bit in bold, suggests you do understand , a little bit, but probably don't realise it. We won't win things on the scale of Liverpool or anywhere near while selling them our best players..........speculate to accumulate, the winners take risks and the losers sell players to the risk takers, we are back among the also rans in football, it was nice to compete at the top table for a while, I hope everybody enjoyed it and appreciated it.

 

 

We didn't when we weren't selling our best players either, is the point, in fact, we went backwards, whilst not selling our best players. The decline caused by speculating, without accumulating (because we failed to get back into europe) was what caused the financial state we were in when Ashley bought the club.

 

 

If a club speculates and fails to accumulate, Leazes, what, in your opinion, should be the next move?

 

read through a few thousand of my posts again where I've explained football progress to you.

 

If you still think bringing 2nd rate players to the club is the way back to the top, you have a serious common sense problem

 

 

Was Bellamy 2nd rate, from Coventry?

[Guest]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

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At least spell it right !!! Blimey

[LeazesMag 0]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

[Guest]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

 

So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying

[manc-mag 1]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

 

So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying

 

Basically.

 

You don't need to go over old threads, Leazes, so there's no work involved in that respect. The question is, the occurrence of which future event/events would prove you right.

 

If you can type something (one line will suffice), which contradicts a statement that I've made in the paragraph that you've quoted, then fair do's. The occurrence of that event would be proof conclusive of your correctness. Otherwise, STFU.

[Toonpack 10036]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

 

So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying

 

He never does

[LeazesMag 0]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

 

So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying

 

Basically.

 

You don't need to go over old threads, Leazes, so there's no work involved in that respect. The question is, the occurrence of which future event/events would prove you right.

 

If you can type something (one line will suffice), which contradicts a statement that I've made in the paragraph that you've quoted, then fair do's. The occurrence of that event would be proof conclusive of your correctness. Otherwise, STFU.

 

but you said that Villas "plan" would do better than the "noplan" Halls and Shepherd didn't you ?

 

And you said that the Halls and Shepherd were so embarrassing that "anybody" else would be better didn't you ?

 

Just admit it man, you arsehole, man up and admit you were talking bollocks, what's your problem

[LeazesMag 0]

Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.

 

obsessed.

 

And I'm right.

 

You'll see.

 

The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'?

 

om fucking god

 

Answer him then

 

I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look.

 

I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal.

 

blah blah blah blah.......

 

Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it.

 

Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future.

 

So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying

 

He never does

 

oh well, I've answered everything, like I said bookmark this thread.

 

Why don't you tell us how often you supported the club before 1992 and how often you have since Mike Ashley took it over ? This is about the 4th time I've asked. The irony - again - is hilarious, just like when you insisted you should "enjoy success while it is there" but worried about impending administration that the fat bastard was heading for when we were playing in the San Siro and you advocated the cost cutting of Mike Ashley instead. You really couldn't make this up, your post that I've clipped here must be the most ironic comment ever.

 

Anyway, answer my question. 4th request.

[Guest]

You got any links to where manc mag said all of that stuff? I'd be surprised personally.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

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One of your better posts that

[Guest]

Did you really have to quote it ffs

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Yes, for comic effect.

 

Bit rich coming from one of the quote pyramid twins anyway.

[Guest]

Yes, for comic effect.

 

Bit rich coming from one of the quote pyramid twins anyway.

 

 

If that was your intention, you failed miserably

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

[manc-mag 1]

Not going to get into quote ladders with you, Leazes but you're still not answering a very simple question. You're referring to being proved right in the future. What future event will prove that?

 

Even you must be able to see the sense in clarifying that point.

[LeazesMag 0]

Not going to get into quote ladders with you, Leazes but you're still not answering a very simple question. You're referring to being proved right in the future. What future event will prove that?

 

Even you must be able to see the sense in clarifying that point.

 

give it a rest. Mike Ashley will never match the Halls and Shepherd, even with his "plan", and the limit of his ambition is to survive in the premiership with as little expenditure as possible.

 

Only a complete prick can't see that, like you. And whats more, you won't admit you were wrong when this stares you in the face either.

 

Now. Fuck off, and stop derailing threads and stalking me, you are boring and a tosser without the balls to admit you have been proved completely wrong.

 

Bookmark this thread.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

stop derailing threads

 

[manc-mag 1]

You got any links to where manc mag said all of that stuff? I'd be surprised personally.

 

This is where it gets utterly pointless. I criticized Shepherd and advocated regime change. That's essentially what he's getting at. I thought Shepherd (shorthand:Shepherd and Hall) had the club in decline and I didn't think he had a hope in hell of getting us back into league challenging/Champions League positions. I still don't think he would have, particularly given what happened in world credit and additionally the emergence of Saudi billionaires. This essentially represented my views at the point shortly before the Ashley took over. It did not, as Leazes insists, mean I was ungrateful for Champions League football of the past, the Keegan era (or however he wants to portray it, it all amounts to the same thing).

 

What Leazes' fails to understand and/or acknowledge about his infallible 'go for broke' philosophy in any economic climate, whoever is doing the financing, is this; he consistently makes the point that Hall and Shepherd bought up the club when it had failed to float for tuppence the year before. I agree that showed vision and foresight and ambition on their part. What he fails to acknowledge however is that, in terms of a risk game, the couple million quid they paid for it was the extent of their financial exposure on gambling with NUFC. Thus they could spend tens of millions on credit because if they did and the gamble didnt come off, the worst case scenario is the club goes bust. They're behind a limited company vehicle so they're personally protected from those debts and they've only lost an asset that they paid a couple million quid to acquire. They've made that money back in dividends already anyway but I've no qualms with that, just stating a fact, the main point is, even if the debts at the time of administration are hundreds of millions, they've only lost an asset they've paid a few bob for.

 

Now again Leazes is right in saying that clubs don't ordinarily go bust-they don't-they operate at massive losses and continue, but that's usually because (in modern times) someone else acquires ownership and so also buys up the debt. In our case Ashely did that (out of pure stupidity in my view). Again he's done it via a limited company vehicle, so he's protected from further spiralling debt just as Shepherd was, but unlike Shepherd, if his gambles fuck up he stands to lose an asset he's paid £100 million for (and made a further £100 million loan to). Not an asset he's paid buttons for. So it's a different risk altogether.

 

Oh and did I mention, there isn't any credit available anymore either? Yes I'm sure I have, but Leazes just ignores that. So he can't finance the gamble using credit either (as Shepherd did), it'll have to be more of his own cash. The club's cash alone won't let you compete with the bankrolled clubs.

 

So what I'm trying to do instead of focusing on that complete waste of time of a debate (which frankly, while not massively complex is nonetheless too much for Leazes to get his head around), is ask, picking up directly on these frequent comments that he will be 'proved right', what exact event/events must occur in future for him to be proved right. It's a statement which relies on something happening in the future and it must contradict what I'm saying. Presumably he must know what that event is. It's an opportunity to nail the debate once and for all, so I make no apologies in seeking clarification.

 

So come on Leazes, just one line.

 

And before you come back with something inane like 'You're just the sort of supporter Ashley would love' etc etc etc blah blah. That's entirely irrelevant. Ashley isn't arsed what any fan thinks. He could not give a tuppeny jizz for the views of supporters and whether they approve of his methods or not and that should be apparent by now by his actions.

[manc-mag 1]

Not going to get into quote ladders with you, Leazes but you're still not answering a very simple question. You're referring to being proved right in the future. What future event will prove that?

 

Even you must be able to see the sense in clarifying that point.

 

give it a rest. Mike Ashley will never match the Halls and Shepherd, even with his "plan", and the limit of his ambition is to survive in the premiership with as little expenditure as possible.

 

Only a complete prick can't see that, like you. And whats more, you won't admit you were wrong when this stares you in the face either.

 

Now. Fuck off, and stop derailing threads and stalking me, you are boring and a tosser without the balls to admit you have been proved completely wrong.

 

Bookmark this thread.

 

See my post (above) in response to Skidders. Answer in your own time.

 

One line, a future event and it has to contradict something I'm saying.

 

Thread bookmarked.

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