José Enrique

[Guest alex]

This exaggeration lark is getting contagious like. He'll have been on £100k a week when we signed him up as 16 year old before long

 

The game as it is nowadays is a joke. Players more or less do what they like...Cloughie will be turning in his grave. Back in the day Ricky would have been kicked to the curb and playing for the reserves for 3 months.

I was making the point he wasn't 19 when we signed him. Fair enough, he was only 21 like but that's quite a range all the same.

[ChezGiven 0]

has he not said it's not about the money already anyways?

Wages are irrelevant tbh he prob doesn't wanna sign a contract at a club with no ambition no matter what's on the table.

So why did he say he wanted to end his career with us when we were in the Championship? Does he think Championship teams are just one season away from breaking the top 6 in the Premiership? Does anyone with more than 3 brain cells actually think this?

 

Left backs are historically self loving - problematic - frustrated they ain't left wingers - delusionary gimps.

You two buying in to fact it's all down to Enrique? Have a quiet word if you are.

You talk about the club being badly run, unstable and lacking ambition the whole time he has been as a major factor in his recent attitude here but ignore the fact that he proclaimed his undying loyalty to the club when it was in the midst of its lowest point in recent history. I take on board what you've said but these points dont add up. I also think he has offended the players who have come in.

[OTF 7252]

Enrique doesn't strike me as the type of fullback who is desperate to play as a winger.

 

Whatever Enrique is on (it won't be 50K) he deserves more to stay here. He's a genuinely world class defender who got stuck in when we were relegated and helped drag us back up. If you don't pay decent wages you just cannot compete. Fantastic players necessitate fantastic wages, not pretend 'fantastic' ones.

[Guest alex]

has he not said it's not about the money already anyways?

Wages are irrelevant tbh he prob doesn't wanna sign a contract at a club with no ambition no matter what's on the table.

So why did he say he wanted to end his career with us when we were in the Championship? Does he think Championship teams are just one season away from breaking the top 6 in the Premiership? Does anyone with more than 3 brain cells actually think this?

 

Left backs are historically self loving - problematic - frustrated they ain't left wingers - delusionary gimps.

You two buying in to fact it's all down to Enrique? Have a quiet word if you are.

You talk about the club being badly run, unstable and lacking ambition the whole time he has been as a major factor in his recent attitude here but ignore the fact that he proclaimed hits undying loyalty to the club when it was in the midst of its lowest point in recent history. I take on board what you've said but these points dont add up. I also think he has offended the players who have come in.

The majority of the time then, if we're splitting hairs. I think Stevie Ross probably makes a good point too, as I said. You'd have to wonder why he's changed his mind and what has happened at the club since then. In any case he's in a much better position to assess what is going on behind the scenes than we are. If you're going to accept he was happy in the Championship (I happen to think he was) then you have to also accept he isn't now so there must be a reason for that change. Maybe he's just a money-grabbing bastard but (even if he is) I'd rather have 11 like him than 'good, honest, lads' like Simpson, Perch and Leon fucking Best. All academic like as I think they've well and truly missed the boat with regards to getting him to sign an extension.

Edited July 26, 2011 by alex

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

[Toonpack 9255]

There's only 4 fullbacks in the worlds top 100 earners. Maicon is 98th at £65K a week.

 

£50K a week for Enrique should be more than enough.

Fucking hell. Got the other 3 to hand?

 

I would guess Lahm, Cole, and obviously Dani Alves.

 

 

oops missed Alves, nee Lahm on the list mind. List is pre-Carroll/Henderson catapulting into it.

 

1. Cristiano Ronaldo – Real Madrid – €1.000.000 – €12.000.000

2. Lionel Messi – FC Barcelona – €875.000 – €10.500.000

3. Fernando Torres – Chelsea – €833.000 – €10.000.000

4. Yaya Toure – Manchester City – €833.000- €10.000.000

5. Wayne Rooney – Manchester United – €791.000 – €9.500.000

6. Ricardo Kaka – Real Madrid – €833.000 – €9.000.000

7. Zlatan Ibrahimovic – AC Milan – €833.000 – €9.000.000

8. Emmanuel Adebayor – Real Madrid – €708.000 – €8.500.000

9. Carlos Tevez – Manchester City – €666.000 – €8.000.000

10. Samuel Eto’o – Internazionale – €666.000 – €8.000.000

11. Frank Ribery – Bayern Munich – €666.000 – €8.000.000

12. John Terry – Chelsea – €625.000 – €7.500.000

13. Frank Lampard – Chelsea – €625.000 – €7.500.000

14. Steven Gerrard – Liverpool – €625.000 – €7.500.000

15. Xavi – FC Barcelona – €625.000 – €7.500.000

16. Anders Iniesta – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000

17. David Villa – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000

18. Daniel Alves – FC Barcelona – €583.000 – €7.000.000

19. Edin Dzeko – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000

20. Rio Ferdinand – Manchester United – €541.000 – €6.500.000

21. Mario Balotelli – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000

22. Kolo Toure – Manchester City – €541.000 – €6.500.000

23. Ashley Cole – Chelsea – €541.000 ¬- €6.500.000

24. Glenn Johnson – Liverpool – €541.000 – €6.500.000

25. Didier Drogba – Chelsea – €516.000 – €6.200.000

26. Iker Casillas – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000

27. Karim Benzema – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000

28. Gonzalo Higuain – Real Madrid – €500.000 – €6.000.000

29. Cesc Fabregas – Arsenal – €500.000 – €6.000.000

30. Peter Cech – Chelsea – €500.000 – €6.000.000

31. Gianluigi Buffon – Juventus – 500.000 – €6.000.000

32. Victor Valdez – FC Barcelona – €500.000 – €6.000.000

33. Andrea Pirlo – AC Milan – €500.000 – €6.000.000

34. Frederic Kanoute – Sevilla – €500.000 – €6.000.000

35. Francesco Totti – AS Roma – €458.000 – €5.500.000

36. Patrcik Vieira – Internazionale – €458.000 – €5.500.000

37. Kevin Kuranyi – Dinamo Moscow – €458.000 – €5.500.000

38. Bastian Schweinsteiger – Bayern Munich – €458.000 – €5.500.000

39. Gareth Barry – Manchester City – €458.000 – €5.500.000

40. Arjen Robben – Bayern Munich – €458.000 – €5.500.000

41. Aleksandar Kolarov – Manchester City – €458.000 – €5.500.000

42. Joe Cole – Liverpool – €450.000 – €5.400.000

43. Mesut Ozil – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000

44. Sami Khedira – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000

45. Michael Ballack – Bayer Leverkusen – €416.000 – €5.000.000

46. Ronaldinho Gaucho – Flamengo – €416.000 – €5.000.000

47. Sergio Aguero – Atletico Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000

48. Carles Puyol – FC Barcelona – €416.000 – €5.000.000

49. Luca Toni – Juventus – €416.000 – €5.000.000

50. Lassana Diarra – Real Madrid – €416.000 – €5.000.000

51. Wayne Bridge – Manchester City – €416.000 – €5.000.000

52. Joleon Lescott – Manchester City – €416.000 – €5.000.000

53. Edwin Van der Sar – Manchester United – €416.000 – €5.000.000

54. Patrice Evra – Manchester United – €416.000 – €5.000.000

55. Andy Carroll – Liverpool – €416.000 – €5.000.000

56. Dimitar Berbatov – Manchester United – €400.000 – €4.800.000

57. Andrei Arshavin – Arsenal – €400.000 – €4.800.000

58. Nicolas Anelka – Chelsea – €400.000 – €4.800.000

59. Yoann Goucuff – Olympique Lyon – €400.000 – €4.800.000

60. Ryan Giggs – Manchester United – €400.000 – €4.800.000

61. Daniele De Rossi – AS Roma – €383.000 – €4.600.000

62. Ricardo Carvalho – Real Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000

63. Alessandro Nesta – AC Milan – €375.000 – €4.500.000

64. Diego Milito – Internazionale – €375.000 – €4.500.000

65. Júlio César – Internazionale – €375.000 – €4.500.000

66. Matthieu Flamini – AC Milan – €375.000 – €4.500.000

67. David Beckham – LA Galaxy – €375.000 – €4.500.000

68. Gabriel Heinze – Olympique Marseille – €375.000 – €4.500.000

69. Diego Forlan – Atletico Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000

70. Paul Scholes – Manchester United – €375.000 – €4.500.000

71. Xabi Alonso – Real Madrid – €375.000 – €4.500.000

72. Jamie Carragher – Liverpool – €375.000 – €4.500.000

73. Robbie Van Persie – Arsenal €375.000 – €4.500.000

74. David Silva – Manchester City – €358.000 – €4.300.000

75. Lucho Gonzalez – Olympique Marseille – €358.000 – €4.300.000

76. Floren Malouda – Chelsea – €358.000 – €4.300.000

77. Craig Bellamy – Cardiff City – €358.000 – €4.300.000

78. Amauri – Juventus – €350.000 – €4.200.000

79. Miroslav Klose – Bayern Munich – €350.000 – €4.200.000

80. Cris – Olympique Lyon – €350.000 – €4.200.000

81. Lisandro Lopez – Olympique Lyon – €341.000 – €4.100.000

82. Raul Gonzalez – Schalke 04 – €333.000 – €4.000.000

83. Mário Gomez – Bayern Munich – €333.000 – €4.000.000

84. Robinho – AC Milan – €333.000 – €4.000.000

85. Alessandro Del Piero – Juventus – €333.000 – €4.000.000

86. Wesley Sneijder – Internazionale – €333.000 – €4.000.000

87. Esteban Cambiasso – Internazionale – €333.000 – €4.000.000

88. Pepe – Real Madrid – €333.000 – €4.000.000

89. Clarence Seedorf – AC Milan – €333.000 – €4.000.000

90. Ruud Van Nistelrooy – Hamburg – €333.000 – €4.000.000

91. Deco – Fluminense – €333.000 – €4.000.000

92. Javier Marcherano – FC Barcelona – €333.000 – €4.000.000

93. Thorsten Frings – Werder Bremen – €333.000 – €4.000.000

94. Nemanja Vidic – Manchester United – €333.000 – €4.000.000

95. Diego – Wolfsburg – €333.000 – €4.000.000

96. André Pierre Gignac – Olympique Marseille – €316.000 – €3.800.000

97. Thierry Henry – New York Red Bulls – €316.000 – €3.800.000

98. Maicon – Internazionale – €316.000 – €3.800.000

99. James Milner – Manchester City – €316.000 – €3.800.000

100. Ji-Sung Park – Manchester United – €316.000 – €3.800.000

[peasepud 59]

You talk about the club being badly run, unstable and lacking ambition the whole time he has been as a major factor in his recent attitude here but ignore the fact that he proclaimed his undying loyalty to the club when it was in the midst of its lowest point in recent history. I take on board what you've said but these points dont add up. I also think he has offended the players who have come in.

I know this is probably splitting hairs but he didnt actually state he wanted to finish his career here or proclaim undying loyalty. What he said was along the lines of "the fans are amazing I could stay here all my career" theres a difference there. He was specifically talking about the support not the club itself.

 

Regardless of that though, times change, that statement was made (I believe) under Hughton and as someone said earlier maybe hes not happy with Pardew.

 

And I dont think he offended the new players, he definitely didnt say that the signings were a waste of space.

[Guest alex]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

Change your mind, prove you've got one. One of your mantras I believe

I agree he shouldn't have made his feelings public lilke but I'm not going to crucify him over it. Stevie is in no position to have a go at people for venting their spleen on Twitter either

[PaddockLad 17089]

Enrique doesn't strike me as the type of fullback who is desperate to play as a winger.

 

Whatever Enrique is on (it won't be 50K) he deserves more to stay here. He's a genuinely world class defender who got stuck in when we were relegated and helped drag us back up. If you don't pay decent wages you just cannot compete. Fantastic players necessitate fantastic wages, not pretend 'fantastic' ones.

If he was world class I think Barca or Real would be in for him. Cant picture the Real left back but for me Jose's not in

Abidal's class. And thats why hes still here. At the moment. Now doing at Liverpool as it looks like Dalglish has had other priorities (what happened to 'building from the back' btw?) and now has to sell to buy. So that leaves which clubs willing to pay an half decent left back 50k a week?

 

And none of the promotion side who stayed after relegation were completely motivated by 'righting a wrong'....a lot of them wouldve struggled to get the same contracts elsewhere.

 

But he is the sort of player we should be hanging on to if we want to progress. Sad really. :-(

[Guest alex]

World class might be OTT but he's a bit better than 'half-decent' like.

[peasepud 59]

World class might be OTT but he's a bit better than 'half-decent' like.

on the wain tbh

[ewerk 30270]

According to that list, Gareth Barry is the 39th best paid player in the world.

[OTF 7252]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

 

I agree, but relatively speaking it's a drop in the ocean.

[ewerk 30270]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

 

Undermines us how? He's having a pop at the owner/MD, the world and his wife know that they're a pair of jokers.

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

Change your mind, prove you've got one. One of your mantras I believe

I agree he shouldn't have made his feelings public lilke but I'm not going to crucify him over it. Stevie is in no position to have a go at people for venting their spleen on Twitter either

 

I reckon if i had an hour one on one with Jose, i could persuade him to stay. My argument would be to sign a new contract and see what progress is made this season, if he is unimpressed, hand in a transfer request and i will PR the forums for him to ensure he keeps his reputation amongst the fans. Sign it, 60k a week and play his heart out to get us to 8th. If we cant have true ambition (no one in their right mind would consider a shot at the top 5) then lets have progress.

 

ewerk, it undermines us in the same way the Fabregas affair has undermined Arsenal.

[OTF 7252]

World class might be OTT but he's a bit better than 'half-decent' like.

 

Depends on your classification of World Class, for me I don't think Enrique would be out of place in any national side. He's not the perfect player, and there's certainly avenue for improvement. If he goes to a better side I think he will improve provided his hamstring issues don't begin to plague him. He's at the age now where he should be getting a lot smarter as a player, playing with generally smarter* players will speed that along.

 

* - Football smarts.

[ChezGiven 0]

You talk about the club being badly run, unstable and lacking ambition the whole time he has been as a major factor in his recent attitude here but ignore the fact that he proclaimed his undying loyalty to the club when it was in the midst of its lowest point in recent history. I take on board what you've said but these points dont add up. I also think he has offended the players who have come in.

I know this is probably splitting hairs but he didnt actually state he wanted to finish his career here or proclaim undying loyalty. What he said was along the lines of "the fans are amazing I could stay here all my career" theres a difference there. He was specifically talking about the support not the club itself.

 

Regardless of that though, times change, that statement was made (I believe) under Hughton and as someone said earlier maybe hes not happy with Pardew.

 

And I dont think he offended the new players, he definitely didnt say that the signings were a waste of space.

Only the new players will know if they are offended but objectively, its disrespectful towards them. I dont need to know their feelings to be able to judge that clearly.

Edited July 26, 2011 by ChezGiven

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

Change your mind, prove you've got one. One of your mantras I believe

I agree he shouldn't have made his feelings public lilke but I'm not going to crucify him over it. Stevie is in no position to have a go at people for venting their spleen on Twitter either

 

I reckon if i had an hour one on one with Jose, i could persuade him to stay. My argument would be to sign a new contract and see what progress is made this season, if he is unimpressed, hand in a transfer request and i will PR the forums for him to ensure he keeps his reputation amongst the fans. Sign it, 60k a week and play his heart out to get us to 8th. If we cant have true ambition (no one in their right mind would consider a shot at the top 5) then lets have progress.

 

ewerk, it undermines us in the same way the Fabregas affair has undermined Arsenal.

 

You'd be better strapping him face down on a table and saying, "right, listen here you metrosexual spanish twerp, you're going to sign this here contract right now, or I'll puncture your guts with my 8 inch wang, do you understand me?"

 

"jajajajajajaaja"

[Guest alex]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

Change your mind, prove you've got one. One of your mantras I believe

I agree he shouldn't have made his feelings public lilke but I'm not going to crucify him over it. Stevie is in no position to have a go at people for venting their spleen on Twitter either

 

I reckon if i had an hour one on one with Jose, i could persuade him to stay. My argument would be to sign a new contract and see what progress is made this season, if he is unimpressed, hand in a transfer request and i will PR the forums for him to ensure he keeps his reputation amongst the fans. Sign it, 60k a week and play his heart out to get us to 8th. If we cant have true ambition (no one in their right mind would consider a shot at the top 5) then lets have progress.

 

ewerk, it undermines us in the same way the Fabregas affair has undermined Arsenal.

I think it's fair to say things would be somewhat improved by making you chairman of the football club though

[OTF 7252]

What's the chance that Demba Ba is on more than Enrique (and in turn more than the offer he has 'on the table')?

 

If it was the case what would people think of that?

 

Try to justify it from any perspective except the owners (the justification for the owner is obvious).

Edited July 26, 2011 by OzToonFan

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm not suggesting he is a money-grabbing bastard i'm just suggesting his outburst was uncalled for, he should not have said anything. Because he has, i'm going to compare it what he has said before and call him up on the inconsistency, my bottom line being 'keep your gob shut'. I agree with Stevie's take on it, having a player go on like this undermines us.

Change your mind, prove you've got one. One of your mantras I believe

I agree he shouldn't have made his feelings public lilke but I'm not going to crucify him over it. Stevie is in no position to have a go at people for venting their spleen on Twitter either

 

I reckon if i had an hour one on one with Jose, i could persuade him to stay. My argument would be to sign a new contract and see what progress is made this season, if he is unimpressed, hand in a transfer request and i will PR the forums for him to ensure he keeps his reputation amongst the fans. Sign it, 60k a week and play his heart out to get us to 8th. If we cant have true ambition (no one in their right mind would consider a shot at the top 5) then lets have progress.

 

ewerk, it undermines us in the same way the Fabregas affair has undermined Arsenal.

 

You'd be better strapping him face down on a table and saying, "right, listen here you metrosexual spanish twerp, you're going to sign this here contract right now, or I'll puncture your guts with my 8 inch wang, do you understand me?"

 

"jajajajajajaaja"

 

It's a more tender encounter when i imagine it but along those lines.

[trophyshy 7073]

Jose's comments would undermine us if our owner and chairman had not already undermined us to the Earth's core.

 

Flippant though that sounds, it's ironic he's accused of that when the very comments he is making are about how they, Dekka and Mike, have undermined the club.

Edited July 26, 2011 by trophyshy

[Guest alex]

What's the chance that Demba Ba is on more than Enrique (and in turn more than the offer he has 'on the table')?

 

If it was the case what would people think of that?

 

Try to justify it from any perspective except the owner (the justification for the owner is obvious).

If it's just an extra £10k a week then giving Enrique that would be a saving in relation to buying anything like a decent alternative plus their wages (not to mention any agents' fees etc. ). Would Enrique would go for that or does he has his heart set on leaving now anyway?

We've been linked with Wayne Bridge today btw. That could be bullshit like but it would be a ludicrous option if a little bit more cash would see Enrique sign a new deal.

[Guest alex]

Jose's comments would undermine us if our owner and chairman had not already undermined us to the Earth's core.

 

Flippant though that sounds, it's ironic he's accused of that when the very comments he is making are about how they have undermined the club.

Ashley should pursue a similar policy with Llambias. He'd make a fortune.

[ChezGiven 0]

Jose's comments would undermine us if our owner and chairman had not already undermined us to the Earth's core.

 

Flippant though that sounds, it's ironic he's accused of that when the very comments he is making are about how they have undermined the club.

He personally was undermined by the undermining of the club but there is no need to undermine it further just because he feels undermined by the undermining.