José Enrique

[LeazesMag 0]

You constantly claim that it's what happens on the pitch that you care about and not balance sheets. The club has inclined from it's state upon takeover, as we are in a better position. So to justify your statement that we are in decline you now refer to the rich list. The balance sheet.

 

You couldn't make it up

 

it IS what happens on the pitch. I'm pointing out to people like you, that revenues have also gone down and its useless making a profit of a few million quid if it isn't put back into the club and you still sell your best players [not that a projected profit of a few million quid is anything in premiership football terms anyway].

 

At the end of the day, you have to accept taking risks if you want the riches of the Champions League. The alternative is to spend as little as possible to try and stay in the premiership and keep gates as high as possible. Which do you prefer for NUFC ? [bear in mind, the gates will NOT stay at the levels they are when long term dissatisfation sets in]

 

 

I'd prefer that we took calculated risks when in a position to do so. If it IS what happens on the pitch, then you'll accept that we were declining before Ashley bought the club, and that has now been reversed and we have now inclined to a level above where we were on the day of purchase of the club, from the Halls and Shepherd. That's what the league table says, that's what's happened on the pitch.

 

I don't necessarily think we were declining, we had had a couple of disappointing years, but they recognised that mid table wasn't good enough and changed the manager and looked to change direction. This is the actions of a forward progressive club, not a club happy to settle for a "decline", unfortunately as your man will be absolutely delirious if we are a mid table along with supporters who have also had their expectations lowered, then you have to say that the club is in decline and those people are too stupid to see it.

 

All it took was a few signings like Robert and Bellamy, which incidentally is all it needed IMO when Keegan returned as manager, but your man fucked it up royally by selling Milner behind his back and not allowing him the funds, nor the funds or time from this very sale to manage his own team and sign his own players.

[Guest]

You constantly claim that it's what happens on the pitch that you care about and not balance sheets. The club has inclined from it's state upon takeover, as we are in a better position. So to justify your statement that we are in decline you now refer to the rich list. The balance sheet.

 

You couldn't make it up

 

it IS what happens on the pitch. I'm pointing out to people like you, that revenues have also gone down and its useless making a profit of a few million quid if it isn't put back into the club and you still sell your best players [not that a projected profit of a few million quid is anything in premiership football terms anyway].

 

At the end of the day, you have to accept taking risks if you want the riches of the Champions League. The alternative is to spend as little as possible to try and stay in the premiership and keep gates as high as possible. Which do you prefer for NUFC ? [bear in mind, the gates will NOT stay at the levels they are when long term dissatisfation sets in]

 

 

I'd prefer that we took calculated risks when in a position to do so. If it IS what happens on the pitch, then you'll accept that we were declining before Ashley bought the club, and that has now been reversed and we have now inclined to a level above where we were on the day of purchase of the club, from the Halls and Shepherd. That's what the league table says, that's what's happened on the pitch.

 

I don't necessarily think we were declining, we had had a couple of disappointing years, but they recognised that mid table wasn't good enough and changed the manager and looked to change direction. This is the actions of a forward progressive club, not a club happy to settle for a "decline", unfortunately as your man will be absolutely delirious if we are a mid table along with supporters who have also had their expectations lowered, then you have to say that the club is in decline and those people are too stupid to see it.

 

All it took was a few signings like Robert and Bellamy, which incidentally is all it needed IMO when Keegan returned as manager, but your man fucked it up royally by selling Milner behind his back and not allowing him the funds, nor the funds or time from this very sale to manage his own team and sign his own players.

 

 

Do you genuinely believe that's true? Do you think a couple of Bellamy/Robert type signings (don't know who you are suggesting we realisitically signed btw) would have counteracted the poor attitude/culture of the squad?

 

Do you really believe that Big Sam, a manager who at the time built a reputation on spending fuck all, was the club's solution to it's problems? Do you not think it was desperation, and a clear indication that there was no money left to gamble with?

[Christmas Tree 4679]

Anti climax interview tbf covering about 3 minutes in all.

 

Would have sold Carroll for 35m

 

Was happy to sell Milner but wanted replacement first.

 

Doesnt think Pardew will see any of the 35 mill.

 

About it really.

[Craig 6670]

Anti climax interview tbf covering about 3 minutes in all.

 

Would have sold Carroll for 35m

 

Was happy to sell Milner but wanted replacement first.

 

Doesnt think Pardew will see any of the 35 mill.

 

About it really.

 

Aye, succinct and to the point. Yet some 'so-called' Newcastle fans want to slag him off for saying it as it is it seems. What's more fucking annoying than anything is that not once has Keegan offered his view, it's always when he's been approached. Same can be said for Shearer and Hughton to a lesser degree.

 

If he was the cunt a lot of people claim he is then he'd have gone mouthing off back at the tail end of 2008 - responding to the various pathetic press releases the club made (i.e. "it is a fact........") but he never did. Some think he's a mercenary for sueing Ashley when in reality all KK wanted to do was manage the team and would have much preferred to do that that go through this whole sorry rigmarole.

 

Boils my piss that many of these anti-Keegan fans are evidently far too young to remember what he achieved here, not once but twice and therefore haven't really got the first clue about what we're going on about. This doesn't include you TP as I accept there's bound to be a small proportion of those who have supported the club from or before 1982 who are that ungrateful.

[LeazesMag 0]

You constantly claim that it's what happens on the pitch that you care about and not balance sheets. The club has inclined from it's state upon takeover, as we are in a better position. So to justify your statement that we are in decline you now refer to the rich list. The balance sheet.

 

You couldn't make it up

 

it IS what happens on the pitch. I'm pointing out to people like you, that revenues have also gone down and its useless making a profit of a few million quid if it isn't put back into the club and you still sell your best players [not that a projected profit of a few million quid is anything in premiership football terms anyway].

 

At the end of the day, you have to accept taking risks if you want the riches of the Champions League. The alternative is to spend as little as possible to try and stay in the premiership and keep gates as high as possible. Which do you prefer for NUFC ? [bear in mind, the gates will NOT stay at the levels they are when long term dissatisfation sets in]

 

 

I'd prefer that we took calculated risks when in a position to do so. If it IS what happens on the pitch, then you'll accept that we were declining before Ashley bought the club, and that has now been reversed and we have now inclined to a level above where we were on the day of purchase of the club, from the Halls and Shepherd. That's what the league table says, that's what's happened on the pitch.

 

I don't necessarily think we were declining, we had had a couple of disappointing years, but they recognised that mid table wasn't good enough and changed the manager and looked to change direction. This is the actions of a forward progressive club, not a club happy to settle for a "decline", unfortunately as your man will be absolutely delirious if we are a mid table along with supporters who have also had their expectations lowered, then you have to say that the club is in decline and those people are too stupid to see it.

 

All it took was a few signings like Robert and Bellamy, which incidentally is all it needed IMO when Keegan returned as manager, but your man fucked it up royally by selling Milner behind his back and not allowing him the funds, nor the funds or time from this very sale to manage his own team and sign his own players.

 

 

Do you genuinely believe that's true? Do you think a couple of Bellamy/Robert type signings (don't know who you are suggesting we realisitically signed btw) would have counteracted the poor attitude/culture of the squad?

 

Do you really believe that Big Sam, a manager who at the time built a reputation on spending fuck all, was the club's solution to it's problems? Do you not think it was desperation, and a clear indication that there was no money left to gamble with?

 

sigh.

 

I've said countless times that appointing Allardyce was a change of direction, the appointment of a manager who had proved he could put together a good team on a limited budget, because they realised they needed to tread water in the same way they did during Bobby Robsons first few years. There is nothing wrong with that, the ambition is still there, and arseholes like you would have been the first to criticise if they had gone marching on "spending money they didn't have". The Bellamy and Robert signings were made when they were able to do it again, and propelled the club back into the top 4.

 

The difference is - AGAIN - they saw mid table as the mediocrity that it is, whereas your man will be absolutely ecstatic to be a mid table team.

 

Understand ?

 

No, I expect you don't.

 

I'll allow time to show you, which it will.

[LeazesMag 0]

Anti climax interview tbf covering about 3 minutes in all.

 

Would have sold Carroll for 35m

 

Was happy to sell Milner but wanted replacement first.

 

Doesnt think Pardew will see any of the 35 mill.

 

About it really.

 

Aye, succinct and to the point. Yet some 'so-called' Newcastle fans want to slag him off for saying it as it is it seems. What's more fucking annoying than anything is that not once has Keegan offered his view, it's always when he's been approached. Same can be said for Shearer and Hughton to a lesser degree.

 

If he was the cunt a lot of people claim he is then he'd have gone mouthing off back at the tail end of 2008 - responding to the various pathetic press releases the club made (i.e. "it is a fact........") but he never did. Some think he's a mercenary for sueing Ashley when in reality all KK wanted to do was manage the team and would have much preferred to do that that go through this whole sorry rigmarole.

 

Boils my piss that many of these anti-Keegan fans are evidently far too young to remember what he achieved here, not once but twice and therefore haven't really got the first clue about what we're going on about. This doesn't include you TP as I accept there's bound to be a small proportion of those who have supported the club from or before 1982 who are that ungrateful.

 

Ungrateful ? I would say "clueless"

[Christmas Tree 4679]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

[LeazesMag 0]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

 

tough on Pardew ? Certainly.

 

Is Keegan correct ? Definitely.

 

Pardew will have to deal with it, he's doing quite well IMO, he knows what is going on and he knows what to expect, can't do anything about it though.

[Toonpack 9163]

you are Mike Ashley's dream, people like you, who disregard our standards of the past and accept the lower ones he has imposed.

 

This is where you are fundamentally wrong. I do not like where we are just now, BUT what I do accept is that the Shep/Hall way of "progressing" was not working (from about 2004) and that it is impossible to try today without some rich Arab or Oligarch.

 

BTW we were 9th in the rich list in 2004, bit of a slip to 14th in the period you contend "we weren't declining" add to that the league positions over those years.......................

[Dolly Potter MD 0]

Anti climax interview tbf covering about 3 minutes in all.

 

Would have sold Carroll for 35m

 

Was happy to sell Milner but wanted replacement first.

 

Doesnt think Pardew will see any of the 35 mill.

 

About it really.

 

Aye, succinct and to the point. Yet some 'so-called' Newcastle fans want to slag him off for saying it as it is it seems. What's more fucking annoying than anything is that not once has Keegan offered his view, it's always when he's been approached. Same can be said for Shearer and Hughton to a lesser degree.

 

If he was the cunt a lot of people claim he is then he'd have gone mouthing off back at the tail end of 2008 - responding to the various pathetic press releases the club made (i.e. "it is a fact........") but he never did. Some think he's a mercenary for sueing Ashley when in reality all KK wanted to do was manage the team and would have much preferred to do that that go through this whole sorry rigmarole.

 

Boils my piss that many of these anti-Keegan fans are evidently far too young to remember what he achieved here, not once but twice and therefore haven't really got the first clue about what we're going on about. This doesn't include you TP as I accept there's bound to be a small proportion of those who have supported the club from or before 1982 who are that ungrateful.

 

Ungrateful ? I would say "clueless"

 

................ and they've probably read that other bio as well[ie. that other piece of shite, a paraphrased & cut&pasted version of KK's penned one by Ridley, with countless references to 'his ego'], for a so-called intelligent point of reference, and a source of inspiration for their personal little vendettas against him for supposedly bottling it twice.

Edited March 1, 2011 by Year Zero

[Toonpack 9163]

This doesn't include you TP as I accept there's bound to be a small proportion of those who have supported the club from or before 1982 who are that ungrateful.

 

 

Where did I say I was ungratefull ??? I already said KK brought some of the best days (years even) of my NUFC following life, all I contend is that, it waas in the past and cannot help today. I've just turned the page is all.

[Dr Gloom 21790]

This doesn't include you TP as I accept there's bound to be a small proportion of those who have supported the club from or before 1982 who are that ungrateful.

 

 

Where did I say I was ungratefull ??? I already said KK brought some of the best days (years even) of my NUFC following life, all I contend is that, it waas in the past and cannot help today. I've just turned the page is all.

 

unlike others on here who insist on derailing every thread with the same tired old debate.

 

we should think of the ashley v ffs debate as like the holocaust - never again!

[Guest alex]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

[JawD 99]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

I think Pardew will see some of that £35M but the cynic in me says it will replace any other money he was going to get and has been said it will include wages. Its not a lot when you look at it like that. MA wins twice over by saving on Carrolls wages and not theoretically replacing them and by not coming up with any "new" cash for the window.

 

TBF to MA, its his club and it makes no sense for him to run it into the ground and financially we are better off. But, ..... actually no. I'm not even going into it as theres only one way the thread will go

[Christmas Tree 4679]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men.

 

Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight.

 

Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam.

[Guest alex]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men.

 

Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight.

 

Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam.

I think he's entitled to an opinion having worked with the regime. I see absolutely no reason why he should sugar coat that for the benefit of Ashley. I also think it has very little real impact on NUFC anyway. Ridiculous notion to expect someone only to comment on facts in relation to football anyway when 99% of discussion around the game is opinion.

[Guest alex]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

I think Pardew will see some of that £35M but the cynic in me says it will replace any other money he was going to get and has been said it will include wages. Its not a lot when you look at it like that. MA wins twice over by saving on Carrolls wages and not theoretically replacing them and by not coming up with any "new" cash for the window.

 

TBF to MA, its his club and it makes no sense for him to run it into the ground and financially we are better off. But, ..... actually no. I'm not even going into it as theres only one way the thread will go

And Enrique's

[Christmas Tree 4679]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men.

 

Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight.

 

Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam.

I think he's entitled to an opinion having worked with the regime. I see absolutely no reason why he should sugar coat that for the benefit of Ashley. I also think it has very little real impact on NUFC anyway. Ridiculous notion to expect someone only to comment on facts in relation to football anyway when 99% of discussion around the game is opinion.

 

 

I'm not saying he's not entitled to an opinion, I just hope his onion on NUFC going forward is not always going to be negative and bitter. I think he is better than that.

[JawD 99]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men.

 

Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight.

 

Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam.

I think he's entitled to an opinion having worked with the regime. I see absolutely no reason why he should sugar coat that for the benefit of Ashley. I also think it has very little real impact on NUFC anyway. Ridiculous notion to expect someone only to comment on facts in relation to football anyway when 99% of discussion around the game is opinion.

 

 

I'm not saying he's not entitled to an opinion, I just hope his onion on NUFC going forward is not always going to be negative and bitter. I think he is better than that.

 

Well, I think he agreed and said they were right to sell Carroll. so he is not always saying every move is wrong. End of the day, everyone had an opinion about that sale and most people have made it known.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13766]

He's got a perfectly valid reason to be cynical about the regime considering they were wholly unprofessional in dealing with him and has had to put up with the same transfer budget shite that the rest have. There's a difference between sniping at the club and sniping at the way it's being run; Keegan's obviously got affection for one but not the other.

[Guest alex]

The problem with the Keegan comments, mainly that Pardew wont see any of the 35 Mill, is that it will no doubt be thrown up at tomorrows press conference.

 

In an ideal world Pardew would just bat them away and move on, however anything less than absolute diplomacy will be seized on and blown out of all proportions.

It's only a real problem if KK is correct (or nearly right) though. If Pardew knows it's bollocks, he can say so and be proven to be right come the summer, no?

 

Pardews already on record as saying he has discussed it and being assured he's getting it, hence whi I hope he diplomatically bats it away and doesn't get drawn into niggly words with press men.

 

Deep down, we all know that anything can happen and assurances can disappear overnight.

 

Personally I think KK would be better commenting on facts. I would hate to see him become a bitter sniper like Fat Sam.

I think he's entitled to an opinion having worked with the regime. I see absolutely no reason why he should sugar coat that for the benefit of Ashley. I also think it has very little real impact on NUFC anyway. Ridiculous notion to expect someone only to comment on facts in relation to football anyway when 99% of discussion around the game is opinion.

 

 

I'm not saying he's not entitled to an opinion, I just hope his onion on NUFC going forward is not always going to be negative and bitter. I think he is better than that.

Was this interview all negative and bitter like? Seemed quite balanced to me.

[LeazesMag 0]

you are Mike Ashley's dream, people like you, who disregard our standards of the past and accept the lower ones he has imposed.

 

This is where you are fundamentally wrong. I do not like where we are just now, BUT what I do accept is that the Shep/Hall way of "progressing" was not working (from about 2004) and that it is impossible to try today without some rich Arab or Oligarch.

 

BTW we were 9th in the rich list in 2004, bit of a slip to 14th in the period you contend "we weren't declining" add to that the league positions over those years.......................

 

and this is where people like you get it wrong, you cherry pick and leave out the bits that don't suit you because of your irrational hatred.

 

At the end of the day, the club was geared up to, and knew what it takes to put a good team out on the pitch and made it their top priority, the current owner does not.

 

This is a difference you seem unable to grasp, like many others who have this of hatred of people because they didn't win you the premiership title and booed them for only finishing 5th.

Edited March 1, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Toonpack 9163]

and this is where people like you get it wrong, you cherry pick and leave out the bits that don't suit you because of your irrational hatred.

 

At the end of the day, the club was geared up to, and knew what it takes to put a good team out on the pitch and made it their top priority, the current owner does not.

 

This is a difference you seem unable to grasp, like many others who have this of hatred of people because they didn't win you the premiership title and booed them for only finishing 5th.

 

I have no "irrational hatred" and I certainly don't cherry pick, I'm talking about the trends evidenced by what I saw in the last several years of the previous ownership and the facts that have since emerged.

 

At that time, did I think Shepherd (the face of the organisation) should bugger off, absolutely, was I worried about administration etc. at that time, as you keep saying I was, no I didn't even consider it a possibility BUT the books have shown we were in fact in deep financial shit, that's another fact, not cherry picking.

 

Do I think Ashley is great, not in the slightest. BUT you cannot fully judge his tenure yet, time may prove he was the biggest disaster to hit NUFC in history, the current signs (despite his multitude of horrendous gaffes) don't point to that "yet" though.

 

If anyone "cherry picks" it's you, harping about a time that was long gone and refusing to look at anything that followed, the "pinacle", objectively.

 

Interestingly you even denigrate winning the Fairs Cup as a high spot for NUFC, do you even remember how significant that competition was in those days, have a look at who was in it, all the best of Europe excepting the league champions.

 

You can't even accept the facts of life of the modern game. For example, as of today, and for some time, within the game (and without for that matter) Liverpool are considered a bigger club than us (you seem to think they are not). Sadly, without them having another few years of mediocrity they will continue to be considered such for a while yet. That's not a cherry it's a FACT (a bitter one at that, as I despise them more than any other team).

[LeazesMag 0]

and this is where people like you get it wrong, you cherry pick and leave out the bits that don't suit you because of your irrational hatred.

 

At the end of the day, the club was geared up to, and knew what it takes to put a good team out on the pitch and made it their top priority, the current owner does not.

 

This is a difference you seem unable to grasp, like many others who have this of hatred of people because they didn't win you the premiership title and booed them for only finishing 5th.

 

I have no "irrational hatred" and I certainly don't cherry pick, I'm talking about the trends evidenced by what I saw in the last several years of the previous ownership and the facts that have since emerged.

 

At that time, did I think Shepherd (the face of the organisation) should bugger off, absolutely, was I worried about administration etc. at that time, as you keep saying I was, no I didn't even consider it a possibility BUT the books have shown we were in fact in deep financial shit, that's another fact, not cherry picking.

 

Do I think Ashley is great, not in the slightest. BUT you cannot fully judge his tenure yet, time may prove he was the biggest disaster to hit NUFC in history, the current signs (despite his multitude of horrendous gaffes) don't point to that "yet" though.

 

If anyone "cherry picks" it's you, harping about a time that was long gone and refusing to look at anything that followed, the "pinacle", objectively.

 

Interestingly you even denigrate winning the Fairs Cup as a high spot for NUFC, do you even remember how significant that competition was in those days, have a look at who was in it, all the best of Europe excepting the league champions.

 

You can't even accept the facts of life of the modern game. For example, as of today, and for some time, within the game (and without for that matter) Liverpool are considered a bigger club than us (you seem to think they are not). Sadly, without them having another few years of mediocrity they will continue to be considered such for a while yet. That's not a cherry it's a FACT (a bitter one at that, as I despise them more than any other team).

 

I hardly know where to start, this is so full of irrational rubbish it's unbelievable.

 

If you don't wish to make a judgement on Mike Ashley, that is up to you, but I have, and I did it a while ago. Many people disagreed and I got flak for it, including the supposedly smart lads on skunkers and the True Faith writers [who move the goalposts like you are doing rather than admit they got it totally wrong]. To me, his limited ambition for the club is obvious, it is so obvious it sticks out a million miles and was so very early on after he took over. If you have seen it before it is easier to spot.......

 

As for the Fairs Cup, I'm older than you, I saw every home game, to say I don't appreciate that when I have told you that I have met all the players and some of them have told me that the club should have built on this and moved on to more is an unbelievable comment.

 

The club needed a re-build and a period of consolidation before aiming higher again after Bobby Robson and the farce of Souness, I've said this, it was the same as the initial first few years of Bobby Robson until they backed him and he got the team back into the top places. You simply can't say they would not have done the same again having done it once, but I can say with absolutely certainty that Mike Ashley wouldn't because he has missed the boat twice already to do it, once when he lost Keegan through going behind his back and again this season now having sold our best striker on deadline day and repeated exactly the same incompetence shown when Milner was sold, showing that he has not learned from mistakes and in all probability now the conclusion is that he doesn't even want to.

 

You show your irrational hatred all the time by the way, when you constantly refer to "Shepherd" as the owner and running the club single handedly, when it was always the Halls and Shepherd. How many times does this basic common sense need to be said ?

 

Lastly, you need to understand the difference between "successful" and "bigger". Liverpool have been massively successful over 4 decades [by buying trophy players too ironically including some of ours, still you know best] but they are not bigger. The Keegan years and the overall Halls and Shepherd years have shown this, where we only needed a whiff of success to get bigger crowds and finish above them a few times. They only lose a few games and struggle to fill a 44000 stadium, we would fill a 70,000 with local support alone if we had even a fraction of the success they have had the Keegan years particularly proved that.

 

I'm expecting more rubbish in response by the way, especially a lack of awareness of the size of the club, you still don't tell us how often you supported the club before 1992 and how often since which says a lot about your views on the club and Kevin Keegan.

 

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Liverpool supporters, by the way, look back on the Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish years as their standards and expectations [and it appears you foolishly do the same by insinuating they are "bigger" than us for it]. Would you also say they are "cherry picking" ?

Edited March 1, 2011 by LeazesMag

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Are we going to have to endure years of "irrational hatred" output now? Looks like your new buzz-phrase tbh, and could hardly be less appropriate when peddled in response to structured argument, (whether you happen to agree with it or not).

 

When people refer to Shepherd's tenure, it's just shorthand for the 'Hall's and Shepherd'. It's not symptomatic of 'irrational hatred' simply because people use it as a convenient abbreviation and you make no valid point by highlighting the percentage shareholdings. It's just shorthand. The irrational bit is where you refuse to acknowledge any criticism of the Shepherd regime or the (on balance of probabilities) relative unlikelihood of it achieving a renaissance of it's European period (etc etc). That and interpreting anyone pointing that out as being a statement that Ashley will excede Shepherd's aggregated European finishes. Nobody does say that. What they do say though is they think it's pretty clear Shepherd (and Hall) couldn't do it either these days, based on myriad factors, both internal and external of NUFC.

 

That can't be proved one way or another either so you're neither right or wrong, whether you like it or not.