manc-mag 1 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence. just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly and English Language exam here. Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold. Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it. Do you understand what 'self-proclaimed' means btw? you don't need to try and teach me good use of English lad. I'm saying you're a pompous arsehole. By the way, are you a solicitor ? If so, so was/is Gordon McKeag. Ok, Playtime Fontaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 :lol: A divvint naa what McKeag's got to do with this like. You can't judge an entire profession by Gordon McKeag. Barry George was a recruitment consultant ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) We were in decline but i dont think we are now. Promotion followed by a solid 1st season back is progression. Incline. Selling one big player doesnt mean decline neither, if that money stays in the club and i think it will then our finances are on the incline too. Yes we are not the same newcastle as the KK era but thats just the way it is. I see us progressing slowly with FMA and if someone bought us out who was ambitious then that progression would be sped up. Simple fact is this debate is futile. We can speculate all we like but at the end of the day we have to wait till the summer and see what happens. Imo i think we will have a good summer and push on next year. Edited February 23, 2011 by Tioté's Nutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thats a good post Leazes It's a good post in as little as it says a few basic obvious things about if you want to sign the very top players then you need to spend the very top money. Which is basically a statement of desire because it doesn't really say where this money should come from. You're competing with Chelsea (sugar daddy) Man City (sugar daddy), Man U (bigger than us) remember, so i) Newcastle's natural resources alone rule this type of investment out, ii) he doesn't expect Ashley to spend his own money, iii) credit isn't available as it was the last time we went out mad spending. So it offers no solutions as to where the cash should come from. Although he protests that he 'doesn't just want to splash cash about' in essence, if you go back through his posts down the years its the only consistent theme that emerges. Ever. That's all it is as an argument. We've got a clear transfer 'surplus' this summer. If that gets used towards strengthening I'll be content with the direction since the relegation season. If not I won't. I don't anticipate the entire amount will be spent either way (and theres an argument it shouldn't be if we're just clearly being held to ransom), but I'll try and judge using those slightly more objective criteria because I realise we were miles off challenging when Ashley took over and Leazes will be a long time looking for his magic wand. I'm talking about you when I'm talking about dimwits, and people who won't admit when they are wrong. It's so obvious, you disagree with me and stalk me like there is no tomorrow. You really are a tosspot. That post not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 :lol: A divvint naa what McKeag's got to do with this like. You can't judge an entire profession by Gordon McKeag. Barry George was a recruitment consultant ffs. Since when does being a solicitor mean you know owt about football man Stevie !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thats a good post Leazes It's a good post in as little as it says a few basic obvious things about if you want to sign the very top players then you need to spend the very top money. Which is basically a statement of desire because it doesn't really say where this money should come from. You're competing with Chelsea (sugar daddy) Man City (sugar daddy), Man U (bigger than us) remember, so i) Newcastle's natural resources alone rule this type of investment out, ii) he doesn't expect Ashley to spend his own money, iii) credit isn't available as it was the last time we went out mad spending. So it offers no solutions as to where the cash should come from. Although he protests that he 'doesn't just want to splash cash about' in essence, if you go back through his posts down the years its the only consistent theme that emerges. Ever. That's all it is as an argument. We've got a clear transfer 'surplus' this summer. If that gets used towards strengthening I'll be content with the direction since the relegation season. If not I won't. I don't anticipate the entire amount will be spent either way (and theres an argument it shouldn't be if we're just clearly being held to ransom), but I'll try and judge using those slightly more objective criteria because I realise we were miles off challenging when Ashley took over and Leazes will be a long time looking for his magic wand. I'm talking about you when I'm talking about dimwits, and people who won't admit when they are wrong. It's so obvious, you disagree with me and stalk me like there is no tomorrow. You really are a tosspot. That post not so much I know I've tried to be fair and reasonable in how I put that across, unfortunately he can't resist stalking me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Leazes must be employed within the game going off above comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeazesLad Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 :lol: A divvint naa what McKeag's got to do with this like. You can't judge an entire profession by Gordon McKeag. Barry George was a recruitment consultant ffs. Since when does being a solicitor mean you know owt about football man Stevie !!!! Well it doesn't but I don't see why ye profession should influence ya football knowledge. I bet there's chief whips who would know their Dave Mitchell's from their Bobby Mitchell's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd you can also bookmark this thread for future reference. You should be able to see we are now a selling club, based on your own experience of witnessing one if nothing else. This sort of comment is what makes me think you didn't really support the club during the days of Mckeag, Seymour etc because you would recognise the completely different outlook of the last owners, and the direction we have moved in since Mike Ashley bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Arguing about whether we are in decline or not is a fairly pointless. More to the point is the previous owners were making decisions with the benefit of the club in mind(I'm not denying the decisions also had an eye on their bank accounts) This owner appears to not care about benefit to the club, only to his own agenda, anything positive on the field being secondary. Hope I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Why are you asking me then? I agree like. We've gone in the right direction since we went down. How sustainable that progress is is obviously another matter. Depends on this summer and while I don't like or (more importantly) trust the bloke, I do think the club has shown some promising signs in the transfers windows since then. The obvious exception to that is Carroll, but that was an exceptional deal so it's hard to pin too much on that. What bothers me most is the club has literally never stopped lying or (at best) breaking their promises. Not just regarding Carroll, just look at the Hughton thing. They came out with that statement after the Arsenal League Cup match, when they didn't have to and when (in hindsight) they were obviously negotiating with / lining up Pardew and waiting for an excuse to get rid of Hughton. You can argue about whether that's a good or bad thing in retrospect but it's another example of a trend that makes me extremely cautious about trusting a word that comes out of SJP. Pardew being their man doesn't help in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct. given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd you can also bookmark this thread for future reference. You should be able to see we are now a selling club, based on your own experience of witnessing one if nothing else. This sort of comment is what makes me think you didn't really support the club during the days of Mckeag, Seymour etc because you would recognise the completely different outlook of the last owners, and the direction we have moved in since Mike Ashley bought it. Totally different ballgame these days Leazes man! When we were a real proven selling club a player had no say whatsoever in when he could leave a club, they were basically chatels. Today it is way different. The summer will tell, I don't accept Carroll's sale as evidence of a "selling club", because £35mill for him was IMO a no brainer, more money than David Villa, do me a favour. Is Ashley a prick, absolutely. BUT the way the club is set now is light years ahead in terms of sustainability than the previous regimes model was. I would add - IF the Carroll money is put back in. The difference you refuse to accept is that McKeag/Seymour etc put nowt in and bled the club dry and creamed whatever they could from within the confines of club turnover. FFS and the Halls took the club forward by putting in vast quantities of "not their own money" whilst doing very well out of it personally (much more than the Seymour/McKeag families ever made in decades). Ashley, as yet, has not made a bean out of NUFC but has ploughed in vast quantities of his own money to keep the thing going. I am under no illusion his "endgame" is to profit from NUFC but the bugger will do well to reap the sums the previous incumbents did, especially in today's financial climate and the way the game is structured today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Arguing about whether we are in decline or not is a fairly pointless. More to the point is the previous owners were making decisions with the benefit of the club in mind(I'm not denying the decisions also had an eye on their bank accounts) This owner appears to not care about benefit to the club, only to his own agenda, anything positive on the field being secondary. Hope I'm wrong His own agenda is not to lose money, he's already in for thick end of £200mill so whilst we might not like the way he'll do things, his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. BUT he will do it his way, no-one makes his amount of cash without being hard nosed and ruthless, so we just have to wait and see how it plays out and hope Mikey boy makes his profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) He isn't screwed though. That money is spent and he's still rich. As Chez argued, there's arguably more risk to his wealth by spending more of his own money on the club (to take a punt on Europe or just to stay in the PL). I tend to think he's trying to make the club sustainable (for purely selfish reasons and fair enough you might say) but I also seriously doubt he has any desire to break into the top 4 (fair enough again given how much he might need to spend). The danger is though that he risks the PL status of the club in following this policy. All speculation of course but it's not as simple as arguing he's fucked if the team doesn't do well. Edited February 23, 2011 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Tbf we were in decline, Ashley just accelerated it. Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Arguing about whether we are in decline or not is a fairly pointless. More to the point is the previous owners were making decisions with the benefit of the club in mind(I'm not denying the decisions also had an eye on their bank accounts) This owner appears to not care about benefit to the club, only to his own agenda, anything positive on the field being secondary. Hope I'm wrong His own agenda is not to lose money, he's already in for thick end of £200mill so whilst we might not like the way he'll do things, his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. BUT he will do it his way, no-one makes his amount of cash without being hard nosed and ruthless, so we just have to wait and see how it plays out and hope Mikey boy makes his profit. The reason he is in for so much money is because he fucked things up with the purchase, then with Allerdyce and then Keegan. His stupity in the following transfer window and JFK appointment saw us relegated - forgive me for doubting his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10416 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 He isn't screwed though. That money is spent and he's still rich. As Chez argued, there's arguably more risk to his wealth by spending more of his own money on the club (to take a punt on Europe or just to stay in the PL). I tend to think he's trying to make the club sustainable (for purely selfish reasons and fair enough you might say) but I also seriously doubt he has any desire to break into the top 4 (fair enough again given how much he might need to spend). The danger is though that he risks the PL status of the club in following this policy. All speculation of course but it's not as simple as arguing he's fucked if the team doesn't do well. He is in terms of making any money from THIS business venture, which will really upset his pride or ego of which he'll have a fucking huge one. If the money didn't matter to him beacause "he's still filthy rich" he'd have fucked off and let us sink long since. There's about 20-25% of his total wealth tied up in NUFC. The reason he is in for so much money is because he fucked things up with the purchase, then with Allerdyce and then Keegan.His stupity in the following transfer window and JFK appointment saw us relegated - forgive me for doubting his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. Of course he royally fucked up, no one is doubting that, and if he'd done his due dilligence he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole. His level of fuck-up and lost dosh is in direct proportion to the hole that was left previously and his stupidity. The fact that the twat is still here, he could have cut his losses if he was mind to do that, is that he thinks he can make money and to do that the team has to be relatively succesfull for a pretty damn long time,. or he sells it, and I can't see that happening any time soon, sadly. As for the relegation being his fault, yes it largely was, due to some really baffling decisions BUT it'd been on the cards for years (about 4 actually) in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 As for the relegation being his fault, yes it largely was, due to some really baffling decisions BUT it'd been on the cards for years (about 4 actually) in my opinion. I agree with this. We had definitely lost our way post Robson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 As for the relegation being his fault, yes it largely was, due to some really baffling decisions BUT it'd been on the cards for years (about 4 actually) in my opinion. I agree with this. We had definitely lost our way post Robson. Keegan had changed all that - no way were we heading for relegation that season before he got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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