José Enrique

[Guest LeazesLad]

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk!

 

Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Me too. I also share Wacky's view that I hope he crashes his helicopter though.

The Chelsea fans weren't too enamoured with Matthew Harding when he crashed his though. Seen as some type of martyr now. The Mike Ashley Stand if that happened?

 

I hope he loses all of his money, all of it, I'm not sure how you could lose £900m like, but I'm sure there must be a way.

[Barney 0]

Maybe I could give him some betting tips?

 

 

 

Good post Chez. The fat pig can make his intentions clear this summer. Does he take the sports direct approach of selling everything he can at a profit and replacing with cheaper alternatives, or will he invest and genuinely see us push on.

[The Fish 10972]

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk!

 

Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Sorry Sammy, but every thread they post in becomes a tedious back and forth where neither makes any movement forward. I've no idea why, but Leazes repetition is less annoying than ASM's; probably because he's earned my respect with his insight on other subjects, whereas ASM cowls his incessant vendetta with petulant rants against anyone who dares to say they're repeating themselves.

 

Genuinely, I'd prefer if there was a way to obfuscate his "contributions" entirely, he's an angry little man and it got real old real fast. Also, as an aside, for him to have a go at what I look like* when he hasn't the balls to post his own picture shows how juvenile he is.

 

The thing is, good posts are often lost because rather than scroll through the pages and pages of quote-stacked posts between two rutting stags, they just close the thread and mark it as read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*not really arsed what an internet warrior thinks of my looks; I do far better than I should

[Guest]

The man who got irate enough to argue with deadman because of his obvious issues is calling me angry. Appalling

[manc-mag 1]

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk!

 

Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Sorry Sammy, but every thread they post in becomes a tedious back and forth where neither makes any movement forward. I've no idea why, but Leazes repetition is less annoying than ASM's; probably because he's earned my respect with his insight on other subjects, whereas ASM cowls his incessant vendetta with petulant rants against anyone who dares to say they're repeating themselves.

 

Genuinely, I'd prefer if there was a way to obfuscate his "contributions" entirely, he's an angry little man and it got real old real fast. Also, as an aside, for him to have a go at what I look like* when he hasn't the balls to post his own picture shows how juvenile he is.

 

The thing is, good posts are often lost because rather than scroll through the pages and pages of quote-stacked posts between two rutting stags, they just close the thread and mark it as read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*not really arsed what an internet warrior thinks of my looks; I do far better than I should

 

 

ASM just insists on context (at least), and the full facts. Leazes berated jaythesouthernmag for selectively posting 'a load of emotional cherry picked crap', the other day but the reality is that's the very essence of what he does. That's all it ever amounts to. It's just a 'Let's go back to the mid 90's!' rally call with nothing to back it up about how it could be achieved now (in vastly different conditions) and nothing to acknowledge we were a million miles from that when Ashley took over in any event. It's the most emotional crap on here, dressed up as 'argument'. Prime evidence of this are his coping mechanisms, which include offering to come and find you and have his daughter punch you in the face. If that gets your respect then fair enough, like.

 

In reference to your last point, I will however confirm you do far better than you should.

[The Fish 10972]

 

ASM just insists on context (at least), and the full facts. Leazes berated jaythesouthernmag for selectively posting 'a load of emotional cherry picked crap', the other day but the reality is that's the very essence of what he does. That's all it ever amounts to. It's just a 'Let's go back to the mid 90's!' rally call with nothing to back it up about how it could be achieved now (in vastly different conditions) and nothing to acknowledge we were a million miles from that when Ashley took over in any event. It's the most emotional crap on here, dressed up as 'argument'. Prime evidence of this are his coping mechanisms, which include offering to come and find you and have his daughter punch you in the face. If that gets your respect then fair enough, like.

 

In reference to your last point, I will however confirm you do far better than you should.

Oh don't get me wrong, Leazes is beyond tedious on this subject, I guess I just don't mind him as much as ASM who lets his petulance seep over into every thread.

 

Re: Jose, the only way I can see us keeping him is if he's given firm assurances that we're making signings who genuinely improve the squad. (Oh and we don't get a bid that "we can't turn down")

[Guest]

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk!

 

Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Sorry Sammy, but every thread they post in becomes a tedious back and forth where neither makes any movement forward. I've no idea why, but Leazes repetition is less annoying than ASM's; probably because he's earned my respect with his insight on other subjects, whereas ASM cowls his incessant vendetta with petulant rants against anyone who dares to say they're repeating themselves.

 

Genuinely, I'd prefer if there was a way to obfuscate his "contributions" entirely, he's an angry little man and it got real old real fast. Also, as an aside, for him to have a go at what I look like* when he hasn't the balls to post his own picture shows how juvenile he is.

 

The thing is, good posts are often lost because rather than scroll through the pages and pages of quote-stacked posts between two rutting stags, they just close the thread and mark it as read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*not really arsed what an internet warrior thinks of my looks; I do far better than I should

 

 

ASM just insists on context (at least), and the full facts. Leazes berated jaythesouthernmag for selectively posting 'a load of emotional cherry picked crap', the other day but the reality is that's the very essence of what he does. That's all it ever amounts to. It's just a 'Let's go back to the mid 90's!' rally call with nothing to back it up about how it could be achieved now (in vastly different conditions) and nothing to acknowledge we were a million miles from that when Ashley took over in any event. It's the most emotional crap on here, dressed up as 'argument'. Prime evidence of this are his coping mechanisms, which include offering to come and find you and have his daughter punch you in the face. If that gets your respect then fair enough, like.

 

In reference to your last point, I will however confirm you do far better than you should.

 

Pmsl

[Guest]

I don't even post in many threads so for my petulance to spill into them all is pretty staggering

[LeazesMag 0]

Fish: Get off your horse and drink your milk!

 

Chez: Good post. Pretty much where I stand with it all tbh-and that doesn't imply any blind, overarching trust in Ashley at all, it's just a general weighing up of where we've seen improvements as against errors (recently) and a realisation that the 'second season up' is often crucial for any club, but even more so in our case given the events of the last window.

Me too. I also share Wacky's view that I hope he crashes his helicopter though.

 

I won't clip the post by Chez as it's long and FWIW although I know I do it with people such as skidders [so others are aware of the context] I realise its a pain in the arse.

 

Pretty much all of Chez' posts are thought out and he makes his points well, I agree with him most of the time but not all of the time.

 

In this case, I realise he is - like others - still prepared to be optimistic [which is what it boils down to in the end when people are saying "give him until the summer".] I'm not going to call intelligent posters "blind" but I think Mike Ashley's intentions have been made clear long before now. There was absolutely no need to sell Carroll - if the price was too good to turn down [and I can see where that idea comes from if some people think that, every player does have their price, ala Cristiano Ronaldo but remember also the circumstances are completely different anyway ] then I would say that they knew he was going and deliberately made no attempt to line up a replacement and deliberately left it late in the window which was said by PP and is nailed on and clearly states the intention.

 

I realise some posters, and one or two dimwits in particular, will jump in and say that all I want is for the club to splash out loads of money on any old player to justify ambition, but I've always said some of Keegans best buys were his first ones ie Venison, Lee, Beresford, Cole, Sellars - strange that he did it spending relatively less than he did later, but he did it brilliantly, however the point is that later he spent on more established players and they probably knew that this was going to happen and accepted it would have to be the case if they wanted to move further forward, and aim for the prizes.

 

Which is what its all about really. This is the reality. The next Arsene Wenger doesn't grow on trees and even he has bought some established players to try and go the extra mile.

 

You won't win the prizes if you watch the best footballers move around among the other top clubs, and you continue to look up at them.

 

Question is : will Mike Ashley accept this or not ? I think not. I am quite prepared to admit that I will be wrong if this happens - unlike others on here who squeal and squirm and can't bring themselves to do it rather than spout their self-proclaimed intelligence - but I will do it and I'll be happy to do it. At the end of the day, this is what it takes, and you have to speculate and risk losing money and either going into debt [not the end of the world when you are arguably the 3rd biggest club in the country and possibly higher as the Keegan years have shown] or having a sugar daddy.

 

Regarding "sugar daddy", I have never expected Mike Ashley to spend his fortune on the football club either, or anybody else who bought the club, but I don't accept competing at the levels of Bolton, Stoke etc and selling our best players to clubs we should be aiming to finish higher in the table ie Liverpool and Villa for instance. He took over a club that was 14th in footballs rich list, where is it now ? What has he done ? The club, unless he changes direction, is in decline.

Edited February 23, 2011 by LeazesMag

[spongebob toonpants 4160]

Thats a good post Leazes

[manc-mag 1]

Thats a good post Leazes

 

It's a good post in as little as it says a few basic obvious things about if you want to sign the very top players then you need to spend the very top money. Which is basically a statement of desire because it doesn't really say where this money should come from. You're competing with Chelsea (sugar daddy) Man City (sugar daddy), Man U (bigger than us) remember, so i) Newcastle's natural resources alone rule this type of investment out, ii) he doesn't expect Ashley to spend his own money, iii) credit isn't available as it was the last time we went out mad spending. So it offers no solutions as to where the cash should come from. Although he protests that he 'doesn't just want to splash cash about' in essence, if you go back through his posts down the years its the only consistent theme that emerges. Ever. That's all it is as an argument.

 

We've got a clear transfer 'surplus' this summer. If that gets used towards strengthening I'll be content with the direction since the relegation season. If not I won't. I don't anticipate the entire amount will be spent either way (and theres an argument it shouldn't be if we're just clearly being held to ransom), but I'll try and judge using those slightly more objective criteria because I realise we were miles off challenging when Ashley took over and Leazes will be a long time looking for his magic wand.

[ChezGiven 0]

I think the odds are slightly in favour of what Leazes says coming true. I dont think you can rule out the club doing the right thing but anyone who has observed the club closely since 2007 would want a good price on the bet that he will do the right thing. I am worried that if we do get something like 50 points (no guarantee on that at all) then he wont see the need to do that investment and that second season syndrome will kick in.

 

Its a competition and our own activity cant be looked at independently of those around us. If the sides we want to compete with strengthen, then we have to too. I do think if we keep hold of Barton, Tiote and Enrique and if Ireland and Ben Arfa come on and if we get a top striker, this will be enough for us to improve on what we have achieved this season. Thats quite a few ifs tbf.

[snakehips 0]

I can see Ricky and Barton both going because I don't think LardAsh will be dictated to by anyone. "We were given assurances etc etc" will just prompt him to tell them they're both off. Ricky wants off anyway imo, so what's the point in him staying?

 

Tiote? I think he will be forced to stay imo.

[manc-mag 1]

I think the odds are slightly in favour of what Leazes says coming true. I dont think you can rule out the club doing the right thing but anyone who has observed the club closely since 2007 would want a good price on the bet that he will do the right thing. I am worried that if we do get something like 50 points (no guarantee on that at all) then he wont see the need to do that investment and that second season syndrome will kick in.

 

Its a competition and our own activity cant be looked at independently of those around us. If the sides we want to compete with strengthen, then we have to too. I do think if we keep hold of Barton, Tiote and Enrique and if Ireland and Ben Arfa come on and if we get a top striker, this will be enough for us to improve on what we have achieved this season. Thats quite a few ifs tbf.

 

Aye, he'll do it entirely on his terms, meaning we could get fucked over or we could get pleasantly surprised.

 

I'll always think he's a cock because he can do things at a moments notice that set back or severely put at risk some of the gains that have been made, and theres just no need for this (as Alex says, there's surely a 'middle way' that could be achieved if he was a bit less of a twat), but this summer will be pretty huge either way.

 

Personally I have a hunch he's essentially said he wants players in that aren't going to take this piss and he wants value for money out of them. I know that oversimplifies the analogy with Sports Direct, but I do think that's partly what has happened and I think we've benefited from it in terms of the spirit the team plays with these days as opposed to the team of wasters that gave up on us from about 2004 onwards. The lack of spirit or pride was always the biggest sin for me and it was even evident in several of the better teams we assembled pre-2004. I think the focus now amongst the players is far more streamlined and that's just pull on a black and white jersey and make sure you come off the field proud of your performance. Again I said it the other day, I think it says a lot about the league and explodes a few myths about the Prem, that that sort of attitude can probably be the difference in up to a dozen league places between 17th and 5th/6th. I also happen to think it's the sort of discipline that should be in place before you go spunking money everywhere and rewarding people for nothing. Top four though is massive, massive money and a different ball game. And there I agree with Leazes-no, I don't expect to be seeing him writing blank cheques for that sort of ascent. That genuinely would need a sugar daddy. But lets at least be honest about that.

[LeazesMag 0]

Thats a good post Leazes

 

It's a good post in as little as it says a few basic obvious things about if you want to sign the very top players then you need to spend the very top money. Which is basically a statement of desire because it doesn't really say where this money should come from. You're competing with Chelsea (sugar daddy) Man City (sugar daddy), Man U (bigger than us) remember, so i) Newcastle's natural resources alone rule this type of investment out, ii) he doesn't expect Ashley to spend his own money, iii) credit isn't available as it was the last time we went out mad spending. So it offers no solutions as to where the cash should come from. Although he protests that he 'doesn't just want to splash cash about' in essence, if you go back through his posts down the years its the only consistent theme that emerges. Ever. That's all it is as an argument.

 

We've got a clear transfer 'surplus' this summer. If that gets used towards strengthening I'll be content with the direction since the relegation season. If not I won't. I don't anticipate the entire amount will be spent either way (and theres an argument it shouldn't be if we're just clearly being held to ransom), but I'll try and judge using those slightly more objective criteria because I realise we were miles off challenging when Ashley took over and Leazes will be a long time looking for his magic wand.

 

I'm talking about you when I'm talking about dimwits, and people who won't admit when they are wrong.

 

It's so obvious, you disagree with me and stalk me like there is no tomorrow.

 

You really are a tosspot.

Edited February 23, 2011 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

[LeazesMag 0]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

[manc-mag 1]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

 

I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence.

[Guest]

Whatever happens lads, let's just hope we keep declining up the table

[manc-mag 1]

Whatever happens lads, let's just hope we keep declining up the table

 

"When we sell our best players, this is what we'll sing; we are Geordies, Super Geordies, declining up the league!"

[LeazesMag 0]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

 

I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence.

 

just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly an English Language exam here.

 

Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold.

 

Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it.

Edited February 23, 2011 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

 

I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence.

 

just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly and English Language exam here.

 

Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold.

 

Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it.

 

Do you understand what 'self-proclaimed' means btw?

[LeazesMag 0]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

 

I actually think you don't know what you're talking about anymore when you arrange those words in a sentence.

 

just an off the cuff reply. I don't think you realise this isn't exactly and English Language exam here.

 

Still, I'm not holding my breath when you are shown to be spouting utter shit again when future events unfold.

 

Hope your self-proclamied intelligence makes you feel a bit better about it.

 

Do you understand what 'self-proclaimed' means btw?

 

you don't need to try and teach me good use of English lad. I'm saying you're a pompous arsehole.

 

By the way, are you a solicitor ? If so, so was/is Gordon McKeag.

[Guest]

Shepherd was a warehouse letting agent and landlord iirc

[Toonpack 10002]

I realise who you're talking about for the avoidance of doubt, but just because i) you say it and ii) I realise to whom you're referring, doesn't make what you say correct.

 

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again.

 

Idiot.

 

When was this ??

 

You've not been right about anything, yet.