2bias 3 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 (edited) Think if he has a good string of games could see the best out of him. good strong player, differn't from dyer but thats not always a bad thing Edited August 3, 2007 by Scottish Mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 You don't rate him much then im guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentFox 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Wheres that dude with his camera is it Gemill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44093 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm happy enough with this signing. A step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9677 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm happy enough with this signing. A step in the right direction. Hooray, a grafter for the charver boys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44093 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm happy enough with this signing. A step in the right direction. Hooray, a grafter for the charver boys... Â If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all  I always was when he was Leeds. I have doubts as I would on any player who comes back from a really bad injury but this is balanced by the Man U factor - I think Ferguson generally improves players who sign for him.  I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm happy enough with this signing. A step in the right direction. Hooray, a grafter for the charver boys... Â Being a dirty C doesn't mean you can't be skilfull - see David Batty or Keane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'd be quite happy. I get the impression he's the sort of player Allardyce can get the best out of. Â Btw, AgentFox, Jimbo's camera phone is our official signing barometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all  I always was when he was Leeds. I have doubts as I would on any player who comes back from a really bad injury but this is balanced by the Man U factor - I think Ferguson generally improves players who sign for him.  I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities.  his goal record is almost as poor as dyer's even though he's played the majority of his career up front. plus he has no pace, he's got a dodgy temprement, he looks average in midfield and he won't start up front ahead of viduka, owen or martins.  apart from that he's great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44093 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all  I always was when he was Leeds. I have doubts as I would on any player who comes back from a really bad injury but this is balanced by the Man U factor - I think Ferguson generally improves players who sign for him.  I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities.  his goal record is almost as poor as dyer's even though he's played the majority of his career up front. plus he has no pace, he's got a dodgy temprement, he looks average in midfield and he won't start up front ahead of viduka, owen or martins.  apart from that he's great though.  There are situations where I can see him starting ahead of those three. Looks like Allardyce favours 4-3-3, and there'll need to be rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all  I always was when he was Leeds. I have doubts as I would on any player who comes back from a really bad injury but this is balanced by the Man U factor - I think Ferguson generally improves players who sign for him.  I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities.  his goal record is almost as poor as dyer's even though he's played the majority of his career up front. plus he has no pace, he's got a dodgy temprement, he looks average in midfield and he won't start up front ahead of viduka, owen or martins.  apart from that he's great though.  There are situations where I can see him starting ahead of those three. Looks like Allardyce favours 4-3-3, and there'll need to be rotation.  i've no problem with 4-3-3 but can't see owen fitting in if that's the lineup we're using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 his goal record is almost as poor as dyer's even though he's played the majority of his career up front. plus he has no pace, he's got a dodgy temprement, he looks average in midfield and he won't start up front ahead of viduka, owen or martins.  apart from that he's great though.  Harsh  I know you could say the same about Dyer but I think when he first played for Leeds he showed he can score goals. On pace its not the be all and end all especially if it has little end product - we have Martins and possibly Charlie to provide that and maybe someone else yet to come.  As is already apparent I don't think our set of strikers, though good on paper, are likely to be available every week. Martins' injury record isn't possibly as bad as the others but don't forget the African cup (presuming he changes hi mind on going). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9677 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. I very much disagree tbh. Imho Dyer has a quite a good football brain with a good positional sense that too often was ridiculed as "just running around". And looking at Smith's goal record I don't know where the bit about his alleged finishing skills is coming from. Â Smith isn't a bad player but far too much a grafter for my liking. As I said one for the charvers who like their players being dumb, agressive and running around with flying into tackles. As a replacement for Dyer I'd hoped for someone with more football skills and a more creative type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I`m happy with this as long as there is a ball winning midfielder,a left back and a versitile defender to follow. Â I used to rate Smith when he was at Leeds but didnt see enough of him at Man U, I trust BS tho` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. I very much disagree tbh. Imho Dyer has a quite a good football brain with a good positional sense that too often was ridiculed as "just running around". And looking at Smith's goal record I don't know where the bit about his alleged finishing skills is coming from. Â Smith isn't a bad player but far too much a grafter for my liking. As I said one for the charvers who like their players being dumb, agressive and running around with flying into tackles. As a replacement for Dyer I'd hoped for someone with more football skills and a more creative type of player. Is it set in stone that he is the direct replacement for Dyer (who only put in about 5 or 6 decent performances a season anyway, the rest of the time being ineffectual, anonymous or injured) or is the transfer window open for another four weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. I very much disagree tbh. Imho Dyer has a quite a good football brain with a good positional sense that too often was ridiculed as "just running around". And looking at Smith's goal record I don't know where the bit about his alleged finishing skills is coming from. Â Smith isn't a bad player but far too much a grafter for my liking. As I said one for the charvers who like their players being dumb, agressive and running around with flying into tackles. As a replacement for Dyer I'd hoped for someone with more football skills and a more creative type of player. Â Trying not to get into a contest between the two but I fely Dyer's decision making in the box/ when through was very poor - his choice of shooting or squaring a simple ball particularly drove me mad. Â I also think you've been blinded to some extent by his aggresive streak (which I like) and are underestimating his skill. Â Â I'm no fan of cloggers - we coined the phrase "mcCreeryitis" years ago to mock fans who you describe - Smith is not like that imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21756 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. I very much disagree tbh. Imho Dyer has a quite a good football brain with a good positional sense that too often was ridiculed as "just running around". And looking at Smith's goal record I don't know where the bit about his alleged finishing skills is coming from. Â Smith isn't a bad player but far too much a grafter for my liking. As I said one for the charvers who like their players being dumb, agressive and running around with flying into tackles. As a replacement for Dyer I'd hoped for someone with more football skills and a more creative type of player. Â agree. now dyer's gone, we should be looking at bringing someone with pace and skill that can play on the wings. suddenly our wide options are looking a bit shit with duff injured, nobby not getting any younger and n'zogbia looking crap for most of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9677 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i'm not a fan of smith at all I think he has more of a football brain than Dyer and id definitely a better finisher, however as has been argued elsewhere I don't see this as "simply" a replacement situation. I'd look to Charlie to fulfill the Dyer role (though with more skill) and Smith to offer other qualities. I very much disagree tbh. Imho Dyer has a quite a good football brain with a good positional sense that too often was ridiculed as "just running around". And looking at Smith's goal record I don't know where the bit about his alleged finishing skills is coming from. Â Smith isn't a bad player but far too much a grafter for my liking. As I said one for the charvers who like their players being dumb, agressive and running around with flying into tackles. As a replacement for Dyer I'd hoped for someone with more football skills and a more creative type of player. Is it set in stone that he is the direct replacement for Dyer (who only put in about 5 or 6 decent performances a season anyway, the rest of the time being ineffectual, anonymous or injured) or is the transfer window open for another four weeks? Well, I take it from Allardyce's comments yesterday that the replacement for Dyer is already lined up. Plus with other positions being priorities I can't see Sam signing another attacking midfielder/striker after going for Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I do not want to become the new Bolton. If it means we get rid of that lazy arrogant bastard well I'm over the moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I think Zog can fill Dyers boots and then some. He was feeling the effects of Roederitis last season but now he is looking a different player under BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I think Zog can fill Dyers boots and then some. He was feeling the effects of Roederitis last season but now he is looking a different player under BS Good point. If Milner and the Zogmeister are developed and used properly the departure of Dyer will be no big deal (which it isn't anyway really, because as I said earlier in the thread he only turned up to a handful of games a season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Just to put people straight, Smith spent half of his Leeds career playing on the right, not as an out and out striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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