Ashley's Newcastle future not black and white

[Craig 6682]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

[Dr Gloom 21921]

there's no excuse for accepting another season of consolidation.

 

i accept that we may well end up struggling to improve on last season

 

Your first quote here contradicts what I've said and the second one supports what I've said - so which is to be?

 

 

 

no it doesn't. i accept that we might not improve on last season, but we have to at least try to give ourselves a fighting chance.

 

if we don't spend in the right areas then we will have to accept that the new season will be nothing more than another year of consolidation, yet again.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Fancy Dan lecturer

[Asprilla 96]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

[Gemmill 44872]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

 

Chelsea aren't a business though. They are making ENORMOUS losses and are just a plaything to Abramovich. I don't think we're going to see that sort of spending at NUFC.

[Guest alex]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman?

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

I blame the fans tbh. Fickle as fuck 1/2 a

[Asprilla 96]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

 

Chelsea aren't a business though. They are making ENORMOUS losses and are just a plaything to Abramovich. I don't think we're going to see that sort of spending at NUFC.

I understand that they aren't expecting to show a profit for a few years..but that's my point. Why should we all be delighted if Ashley's first goal is to be overly cautious rather than splashing the cash Abramovich style and getting us back up the league?

[Gemmill 44872]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

 

Chelsea aren't a business though. They are making ENORMOUS losses and are just a plaything to Abramovich. I don't think we're going to see that sort of spending at NUFC.

I understand that they aren't expecting to show a profit for a few years..but that's my point. Why should we all be delighted if Ashley's first goal is to be overly cautious rather than splashing the cash Abramovich style and getting us back up the league?

 

We've splashed plenty cash over the years and it's got us nowhere. I trust Allardyce to make careful considered signings on a budget this window, and I trust Ashley to come up with the goods once he has a better idea of the business he's in. I don't blame him too much for not splashing daft money straight away.

[Dr Gloom 21921]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

 

Chelsea aren't a business though. They are making ENORMOUS losses and are just a plaything to Abramovich. I don't think we're going to see that sort of spending at NUFC.

I understand that they aren't expecting to show a profit for a few years..but that's my point. Why should we all be delighted if Ashley's first goal is to be overly cautious rather than splashing the cash Abramovich style and getting us back up the league?

 

We've splashed plenty cash over the years and it's got us nowhere. I trust Allardyce to make careful considered signings on a budget this window, and I trust Ashley to come up with the goods once he has a better idea of the business he's in. I don't blame him too much for not splashing daft money straight away.

 

me too but going on sam's recent comments, it doesn't sound like he is happy with the budget he has been given.

[Gemmill 44872]

I don't understand though. Ashley has more money than a person could possibly want. There is practically NOTHING he can't do for the want of money. More money will only mean "more money" to him.

 

The thrill of running a football club and seeing it win things is surely something beyond walking away £50m richer. Abramovich genuinely seems to get a kick out of seeing Chelsea win. I appreciate Ashley isn't a fan (yet) but why come in and try to balance the books?

 

Because he's a fucking businessman and despite the fact that he's got more cash than there is water at Kielder, he'll still want to make sure things are done right - it's all part and parcel of being a successful businessman.

 

Dan, your comment about consolidating since Bobby left is right - but that's totally indicative of the shit way we were being run! Actually I'd go so far as to say we were declining, not consolidating. It's not like flicking a switch, the whole bloody mess needs sorting!!

So presumably, Abramovich ISN’T a “fucking” businessman? :icon_lol:

 

 

He just waded in there and started buying players…showing his intentions. The team starts succeeding, revenue goes up and now they have a squad that is capable of winning things for years to come.

 

Chelsea aren't a business though. They are making ENORMOUS losses and are just a plaything to Abramovich. I don't think we're going to see that sort of spending at NUFC.

I understand that they aren't expecting to show a profit for a few years..but that's my point. Why should we all be delighted if Ashley's first goal is to be overly cautious rather than splashing the cash Abramovich style and getting us back up the league?

 

We've splashed plenty cash over the years and it's got us nowhere. I trust Allardyce to make careful considered signings on a budget this window, and I trust Ashley to come up with the goods once he has a better idea of the business he's in. I don't blame him too much for not splashing daft money straight away.

 

me too but going on sam's recent comments, it doesn't sound like he is happy with the budget he has been given.

 

If the £10m thing is true, I doubt he is too happy. But he's said he's very happy here in general, and who knows what assurances they've given him for future windows once they've finished this review thing. We're just going to have to do something which is totally alien to Newcastle fans, and be patient.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Gemmill

[snakehips 0]

The people who appear to be believing this non-story seem to be basing their argument on the lack of transfers. XXXL Sam has told us that 3 or 4 transfers fell at the last hurdle; this tells us that money is available for incoming players - maybe not the £40m - £50m that some journo dreamed up and others believed, but money none the less.

 

I'm sure that we will be spending in excess of £10m to £15m on players over this month. Relax.

 

As Cpl Jones would say, 'Don't panic!!!'

[Dr Gloom 21921]

The people who appear to be believing this non-story seem to be basing their argument on the lack of transfers. XXXL Sam has told us that 3 or 4 transfers fell at the last hurdle; this tells us that money is available for incoming players - maybe not the £40m - £50m that some journo dreamed up and others believed, but money none the less.

 

I'm sure that we will be spending in excess of £10m to £15m on players over this month. Relax.

 

As Cpl Jones would say, 'Don't panic!!!'

 

i hope you're right. a few shrewd investments and we could look forward to the new season for once.

[ewerk 30609]

We're just going to have to do something which is totally alien to Newcastle fans, and be patient.

 

Aye but with Spurs making a few good signings, West Ham throwing money around, City looking like they have money and Portsmouth making a couple of quality additions this is one season where we can't afford to be patient. Remember the last time we 'kept our powder dry'?

[Gemmill 44872]

We're just going to have to do something which is totally alien to Newcastle fans, and be patient.

 

Aye but with Spurs making a few good signings, West Ham throwing money around, City looking like they have money and Portsmouth making a couple of quality additions this is one season where we can't afford to be patient. Remember the last time we 'kept our powder dry'?

 

As yourself how many times we've been big summer spenders over the year, and where it's got us. Just because these other clubs have now taken on that mantle doesn't guarantee anything. I'm pretty content with things tbh, let them fling daft money around for players I haven't heard of.

[Renton 21623]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

[ewerk 30609]

We're just going to have to do something which is totally alien to Newcastle fans, and be patient.

 

Aye but with Spurs making a few good signings, West Ham throwing money around, City looking like they have money and Portsmouth making a couple of quality additions this is one season where we can't afford to be patient. Remember the last time we 'kept our powder dry'?

 

As yourself how many times we've been big summer spenders over the year, and where it's got us. Just because these other clubs have now taken on that mantle doesn't guarantee anything. I'm pretty content with things tbh, let them fling daft money around for players I haven't heard of.

 

The difference is that in the past we've had the likes of Souness, Gullit and Dalglish pissing our money down the drain, while SBR made his fair share of expensive mistakes. On the basis of the players Allardyce has brought in so far I'd have a bit of confidence about his ability not to waste money and think he should be given a chance to bring in a few more numbers, you can't say that big spending in the past has gotten us nowhere so we should just stop it, it's about spending big on the right players.

 

I'd like to know how you're so content with things, obviously we've got gaping holes in our squad and as things stand it looks like we're not going to be able to plug those gaps with quality players but more likely free/low transfers.

[Ken 119]

Abramovich earns much more per year as opposed to Ashley, despite the worth of his assets. Abramovich earns a shitload more to be fair. In saying that, I'm not making out that Ashley will be a Scrooge about things. Ashley IS more business orientated than Abramovich. Abramovich can afford to lose 250 million a year and have a chuckle about it, Ashley can't.

 

As BS has said, Mort and Ashley know nothing about football. Let them understand, and let them work out a way to deal with our current financial position which is not crash hot.

[Fop 1]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

[tinofbeans 91]

looking at wh we've brought in, all of the palyers we've got in are (except rozenhal and viduka ) capable of filling more than one role, barton can play wide and central midfield, geremi can play rightback / centre mid/wide mid.

 

maybe having a squad of more flexible players might be of benefit....

[Renton 21623]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

 

I saw him last night and he gave no impression of being concerned actually. I found him to be incredibly reassuring after the last crettin we had in charge. Already we are playing better as a team from the evidence I have seen from the friendlies.

[Asprilla 96]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

 

I saw him last night and he gave no impression of being concerned actually. I found him to be incredibly reassuring after the last crettin we had in charge. Already we are playing better as a team from the evidence I have seen from the friendlies.

I agree with you, but the team also played better under Roeder at first.

 

 

That aside, I think Allardyce is the best manager we've had since Keegan to be honest. While I had great affection for Robson, he was no longer at the peak of his powers.

[Fop 1]

looking at wh we've brought in, all of the palyers we've got in are (except rozenhal and viduka ) capable of filling more than one role, barton can play wide and central midfield, geremi can play rightback / centre mid/wide mid.

 

maybe having a squad of more flexible players might be of benefit....

 

Doesn't matter how flexible they are if we have that many injuries again.

[Fop 1]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

 

I saw him last night and he gave no impression of being concerned actually. I found him to be incredibly reassuring after the last crettin we had in charge. Already we are playing better as a team from the evidence I have seen from the friendlies.

 

Well I hardly think he's going to be sat their in front of fans biting his nails and muttering "We're doomed..... we're all doomed" under his breath.

 

But from his comments on the current squad and not wanting to have to panic buy whatever he can at the last second it's fairly safe to say he is "concerned" (and rightly so - although lack of Europe should help in that context too).

[Papa Lazaru 0]

The people who appear to be believing this non-story seem to be basing their argument on the lack of transfers. XXXL Sam has told us that 3 or 4 transfers fell at the last hurdle; this tells us that money is available for incoming players - maybe not the £40m - £50m that some journo dreamed up and others believed, but money none the less.

 

I'm sure that we will be spending in excess of £10m to £15m on players over this month. Relax.

 

As Cpl Jones would say, 'Don't panic!!!'

 

Come the start of the season, or maybe right at the end of the transfer window we'll know where we stand. But like you i think there's money available because Big Sam has said several transfers have not quite gone the distance, but that the fee was seemingly agreed with the other club. We really do need a couple of fullbacks and a centreback, and above all else we have to get a LB in, but i'd trust Big Sam to get a damn sight more out of what we have here now than the previous to fuckwitts did.

 

I think we'll definitely see a couple of defenders in, even if maybe he has to lower his sights a tiny bit towards the end if he can't get who he wants, because like all of us fans he doesn't want to start the season with our current crop of defenders and rely heavilly on young lads, often playing out of position.

 

I do think Ashley could chuck a bit more money at the problem now, rather than maybe waiting till later, but we'll see how things are at the start of the season.

[Fop 1]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

 

I saw him last night and he gave no impression of being concerned actually. I found him to be incredibly reassuring after the last crettin we had in charge. Already we are playing better as a team from the evidence I have seen from the friendlies.

I agree with you, but the team also played better under Roeder at first.

 

 

That aside, I think Allardyce is the best manager we've had since Keegan to be honest. While I had great affection for Robson, he was no longer at the peak of his powers.

 

That's true, but it's also a bit harsh on Robson considering his overall finishes for us (and that FFS meddled at critical points).

 

For all that Allerdyce has done at Bolton his CV and record is nothing compared to Robson's (as yet... and possibly ever).

[Papa Lazaru 0]

I reckon we'll improve over last year like, purely because we now have a top class manager. I don't think we'll break into the top 6 yet though, but I'm happy to wait as long as there is some improvement.

 

If we have as many injuries (or as many man-hours lost though injury) this season as last season we'll be dancing on the relegation zone.

We've probably got a stronger first 11, but if anything we're weaker this season in squad strength.

 

Allerdyce seems to be shitting himself somewhat over this (rightly), but I'm not sure the Shop Managers in charge really are (perhaps thinking it saves costs).

 

I saw him last night and he gave no impression of being concerned actually. I found him to be incredibly reassuring after the last crettin we had in charge. Already we are playing better as a team from the evidence I have seen from the friendlies.

I agree with you, but the team also played better under Roeder at first.

 

 

That aside, I think Allardyce is the best manager we've had since Keegan to be honest. While I had great affection for Robson, he was no longer at the peak of his powers.

 

That's true, but it's also a bit harsh on Robson considering his overall finishes for us (and that FFS meddled at critical points).

 

For all that Allerdyce has done at Bolton his CV and record is nothing compared to Robson's (as yet... and possibly ever).

 

Considering the mess Bobby took over you can't knock the turnaround he made with the club, all that spoiled it was staying on that little bit too long when he should have moved upstairs or retired before Freddie sacked him too late and at a stupid time, leading us down the road to the mess we became.

 

If Big Sam managed to match Bobby in getting us to 3rd and 4th with in the prem as it is now he'd have done one hell of a job!!! I think we'd all take that down the line as can we really ever see us finishing higher than 3rd/4th, you'd hope it can be done but it will take a lot of time, money and luck to do that!