adios 717 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 so solano misses an important game because his flight is delayed or he's just fked from travelling. Are you telling me you wouldn't be disappointed? Im not saying he shouldn't play for his country but its perfectly natural (and in no way xenophobic) to be a bit fked off with it when it causes him to miss games for us. Its different for player from european counties because their internationals are scheduled into the league program for minimum impact. It isnt a foreign v English issue to me. 28345[/snapback] Most footballers wants to play for their country, if that causes conflicts it should be taken up with the governing bodies. Oddly enough we've had far more problems with injury prone players playing for countries alot closer to home and causing far more grief than Nobby ever did. I'd be far more interested in regulations restricting the international appearances of injury prone players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 (edited) And what if (hypothetically of course) the likes of Owen, Gerrard & Ferdinand played in South America and their coaches over there kicked up a stink? There would be uproar. Just let him play for Peru ffs. It's what every player aspires to, representing their country. Who the fuck are we to tell him he can't do it. That's the side effect of buying foreigners it's tough shit if their countries games clash with ours. It's on the label, if you like. Saying that though, there is nothing in that article to say he is definitely going back to play for them. Edited September 5, 2005 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'd have no problem with Nobby playing for Peru if it wasn't for the fact that the South American international games don't neccesarily always run at the same time as the European ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'd have no problem with Nobby playing for Peru if it wasn't for the fact that the South American international games don't neccesarily always run at the same time as the European ones. 28383[/snapback] Fifa/The South American equivalent of UEFA should sort it out. They play a ridiculous 'round-robin' system at the minute. Why don't they have two groups and half the number of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Kirkey 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Nothing to get too worried about, the comnebol qualifiers are pretty much there and Peru haven't done very well, so I doubt he's going to be jetting off for unimportant matches. Next one will be the copa america, and that's a summer tournament, so shouldn't have an impact on us. Just pleased to have him back really. As has been said before this stinks of jealous cockney shit stirring. Just let the bitter cernts get on with it, we're Newcastle United, and we're alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9906 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 so solano misses an important game because his flight is delayed or he's just fked from travelling. Are you telling me you wouldn't be disappointed? Im not saying he shouldn't play for his country but its perfectly natural (and in no way xenophobic) to be a bit fked off with it when it causes him to miss games for us. Its different for player from european counties because their internationals are scheduled into the league program for minimum impact. It isnt a foreign v English issue to me. 28345[/snapback] Well, I would get even more pissed if the likes of Owen etc. injure themselves in a meaningless friendly like Emre did and not even misses one game but several weeks... The point is that international commitment of players can clash with the club's interests, be it by travelling time, injuries or whatever. Though for me it's part of the game. If you sign a Southamerican international you have to be aware of the problem or just stick to European players. Well, at least the shit stirring media did succeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Kirkey 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Just wait til December when the African Nations Cup is just round the corner. Then you'll see a tabloid hand wringing frenzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9906 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'd have no problem with Nobby playing for Peru if it wasn't for the fact that the South American international games don't neccesarily always run at the same time as the European ones. 28383[/snapback] Fifa/The South American equivalent of UEFA should sort it out. They play a ridiculous 'round-robin' system at the minute. Why don't they have two groups and half the number of games? 28391[/snapback] There is an official calender with protected dates and normally the South American games match the European ones (though they are in a different time zone and a couple of hours later). And South American nations don't play more games in the end. They have more competitive games, but spread over a longer time (Europe started in 2004 while South America in 2003). On the other hand European teames play qualifying games for the European Championship as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Just wait til December when the African Nations Cup is just round the corner. Then you'll see a tabloid hand wringing frenzy. 28418[/snapback] No Amdy Faye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 or Babayaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Like Babayaro would play for them again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Like Babayaro would play for them again.. 28436[/snapback] Babayaro doesn't get in the squad anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Fell out with the coach didn't he, something about being a lazy bastard and feigning injury and being a general fanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Fell out with the coach didn't he, something about being a lazy bastard and feigning injury and being a general fanny. 28441[/snapback] Really? *feigns surprise* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'd have no problem with Nobby playing for Peru if it wasn't for the fact that the South American international games don't neccesarily always run at the same time as the European ones. 28383[/snapback] Fifa/The South American equivalent of UEFA should sort it out. They play a ridiculous 'round-robin' system at the minute. Why don't they have two groups and half the number of games? 28391[/snapback] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Plus they would be forced to seperate Brazil and Argentina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Plus they would be forced to seperate Brazil and Argentina. 28483[/snapback] Four qualify plus another team gets a playoff place. So in theory, if you had two groups, Brazil and Argentina could play in the same group and both could still qualify by coming first and second. I think that's the way they used to do it. As Rob mentions, money might have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Brazil and Argentina are comfortably the two best nations in South America. All of the other nations who were in the group with them should they get drawn together wouldn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Brazil and Argentina are comfortably the two best nations in South America. All of the other nations who were in the group with them should they get drawn together wouldn't like it. 28494[/snapback] And all the nations who weren't drawn against them would like it, in theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Football's about money?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Brazil and Argentina are comfortably the two best nations in South America. All of the other nations who were in the group with them should they get drawn together wouldn't like it. 28494[/snapback] And all the nations who weren't drawn against them would like it, in theory. 28502[/snapback] That's fair on the teams on the other half of the draw how? Who am I kidding, fairness isn't a part of football anymore. Should just let Brazil and Argentina automatically qualify and sort it out after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Brazil and Argentina are comfortably the two best nations in South America. All of the other nations who were in the group with them should they get drawn together wouldn't like it. 28494[/snapback] And all the nations who weren't drawn against them would like it, in theory. 28502[/snapback] That's fair on the teams on the other half of the draw how? 28509[/snapback] And all the European qualification groups are equally difficult to qualify from are they? Some groups sometimes even have different criteria, i.e. different sizes, top two in some groups qualify, top one in others etc. What's the difference? It's the luck of the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 The 5th place team I believe play the winner of the Oceanic Qualifiying Group. Is that fair on Australia? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 (edited) In Europe, 2 best placed 2nd teams automatically qualify, the other 6 have to play each other. In groups where there are more teams only the results against the other top 5 teams in the group count. No 2nd place teams qualify from just finishing 2nd in that group, they have to be put in comparison to the other 2nd placed teams Seems perfectly fair to me. Edited September 5, 2005 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 The 5th place team I believe play the winner of the Oceanic Qualifiying Group. Is that fair on Australia? Discuss. 28516[/snapback] Not fair, but funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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