Smokers suck

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive.

 

People like to have something easy and righteous to hate.

 

 

 

Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason).

 

so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then?

 

We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten.

 

 

just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

 

Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do).

 

And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate.

 

I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time

 

Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

[Fop 1]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive.

 

People like to have something easy and righteous to hate.

 

 

 

Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason).

 

so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then?

 

We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten.

 

 

just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

 

Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do).

 

And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate.

 

I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time

 

All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain.

 

Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

 

*super-pedantism mode on*

 

Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then.

[Fop 1]

Am I the only one who can't follow what points are being made btw?

 

 

After the first three posts, just re-read the first three posts 100 times tbh.

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive.

 

People like to have something easy and righteous to hate.

 

 

 

Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason).

 

so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then?

 

We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten.

 

 

just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

 

Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do).

 

And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate.

 

I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time

 

All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain.

 

Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

 

*super-pedantism mode on*

 

Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then.

 

is there a safe way to smoke then?

 

are we only banning stuff that kills people now, sort of like a super minimalist approach to public safety?

[Fop 1]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive.

 

People like to have something easy and righteous to hate.

 

 

 

Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason).

 

so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then?

 

We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten.

 

 

just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

 

Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do).

 

And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate.

 

I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time

 

All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain.

 

Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

 

*super-pedantism mode on*

 

Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then.

 

is there a safe way to smoke then?

 

With enough filtering I'd guess so (although again, using your reasoning, it's not them that actually kills you).

 

Although (as anyone that's ridden a motorbike knows) there isn't any really "safe" way to ride a motorbike, you can be as safe as you like, but some moron in a car (or in a tractor or lorry if it's diesel or horse/cow muck on the road) will try to kill you.

 

 

are we only banning stuff that kills people now, sort of like a super minimalist approach to public safety?

 

Nope we're now banning stuff that makes your clothes smell.

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive.

 

People like to have something easy and righteous to hate.

 

 

 

Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason).

 

so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then?

 

We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten.

 

 

just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

 

Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do).

 

And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate.

 

I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time

 

All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain.

 

Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

 

*super-pedantism mode on*

 

Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then.

 

is there a safe way to smoke then?

 

With enough filtering I'd guess so (although again, using your reasoning, it's not them that actually kills you).

 

Although (as anyone that's ridden a motorbike knows) there isn't any really "safe" way to ride a motorbike, you can be as safe as you like, but some moron in a car (or in a tractor or lorry if it's diesel or horse/cow muck on the road) will try to kill you.

 

 

are we only banning stuff that kills people now, sort of like a super minimalist approach to public safety?

 

Nope we're now banning stuff that makes your clothes smell.

 

you actually think there is a safe way to smoke

 

I think your credibility ends here

[Park Life 71]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place.

[Fop 1]

you actually think there is a safe way to smoke

 

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however.

 

 

I think your credibility ends here

 

It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

 

 

So are we banning motorbikes or not?

[Fop 1]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place.

 

 

Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking).

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

you actually think there is a safe way to smoke

 

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however.

 

 

I think your credibility ends here

 

It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

 

 

So are we banning motorbikes or not?

 

why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place.

 

 

Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking).

 

you can keep saying it, but you won't make it true

[Park Life 71]

Pub landlord Tony vows to fight on.

 

http://www.herefordtimes.com/mostpopular.v...smoking_ban.php

 

"Herefordshire landlord Tony Blows believes the smoking ban is not just unfair, but illegal.

 

Mr Blows, who owns the Dog Inn at Ewyas Harold, claims the ban poses a very real threat to the livelihoods of thousands of people and has promised to disobey the new law when it comes into effect on July 1.

 

He said: "You can look at any of the countries in which a smoking ban is active and find jobs have been lost.

 

"Ireland has lost around 1,000 pubs in the last three years and in Scotland, over 200 pubs and bingo halls have been shut. In England, it has been predicted that 3,500 pubs will be forced to close down and this really is not good enough.

 

"This is an unjust law and we are going to defy the ban, as will another 1,000 pubs around the country. I will do whatever it takes to keep my pub open."

Edited July 1, 2007 by Parky

[Park Life 71]

Germans take the sensible approach..

 

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2367860,00.html

 

 

"Smokers in Germany will be limited in exercising their addiction beginning in September. The government has agreed to outlaw smoking in selected public areas, but stopped short of efforts to introduce a nationwide ban.

 

The German cabinet on Wednesday approved a smoking ban in railway stations, public transport and federal buildings in a first step away from the country's image as a smokers' paradise. The government also agreed to raise the legal age for buying tobacco from 16 to 18."

 

The only one that affected me was smoking on trains which has now been stopped. Never really fancied a fag on train rides anyway.

Edited July 1, 2007 by Parky

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

Pub landlord Tony vows to fight on.

 

http://www.herefordtimes.com/mostpopular.v...smoking_ban.php

 

"Herefordshire landlord Tony Blows believes the smoking ban is not just unfair, but illegal.

 

Mr Blows, who owns the Dog Inn at Ewyas Harold, claims the ban poses a very real threat to the livelihoods of thousands of people and has promised to disobey the new law when it comes into effect on July 1.

 

He said: "You can look at any of the countries in which a smoking ban is active and find jobs have been lost.

 

"Ireland has lost around 1,000 pubs in the last three years and in Scotland, over 200 pubs and bingo halls have been shut. In England, it has been predicted that 3,500 pubs will be forced to close down and this really is not good enough.

 

"This is an unjust law and we are going to defy the ban, as will another 1,000 pubs around the country. I will do whatever it takes to keep my pub open."

 

 

whereas new pubs were opening up all over the place before the ban?

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

Germans take the sensible approach..

 

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2367860,00.html

 

 

"Smokers in Germany will be limited in exercising their addiction beginning in September. The government has agreed to outlaw smoking in selected public areas, but stopped short of efforts to introduce a nationwide ban.

 

The German cabinet on Wednesday approved a smoking ban in railway stations, public transport and federal buildings in a first step away from the country's image as a smokers' paradise. The government also agreed to raise the legal age for buying tobacco from 16 to 18."

 

 

sensible?

 

take me through the logic here of why some people should be protected and some shoudn't?

[rikko 20]

Pub landlord Tony vows to fight on.

 

http://www.herefordtimes.com/mostpopular.v...smoking_ban.php

 

"Herefordshire landlord Tony Blows believes the smoking ban is not just unfair, but illegal.

 

Mr Blows, who owns the Dog Inn at Ewyas Harold, claims the ban poses a very real threat to the livelihoods of thousands of people and has promised to disobey the new law when it comes into effect on July 1.

 

He said: "You can look at any of the countries in which a smoking ban is active and find jobs have been lost.

 

"Ireland has lost around 1,000 pubs in the last three years and in Scotland, over 200 pubs and bingo halls have been shut. In England, it has been predicted that 3,500 pubs will be forced to close down and this really is not good enough.

 

"This is an unjust law and we are going to defy the ban, as will another 1,000 pubs around the country. I will do whatever it takes to keep my pub open."

 

 

whereas new pubs were opening up all over the place before the ban?

 

 

Well for the people who wondered how the "lost" tobacco tax revenue would be replaced, i think we have found our answer...

 

If you are going to defy the ban, surely its best not to publish the fact...

[Fop 1]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place.

 

 

Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking).

 

you can keep saying it, but you won't make it true

 

No I agree entirely; it being true makes it true.

[Fop 1]

you actually think there is a safe way to smoke

 

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however.

 

 

I think your credibility ends here

 

It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

 

 

So are we banning motorbikes or not?

 

why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point

 

 

You were banning them because they don't kill you I think (along with miners who DO kill you).

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

 

 

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place.

 

 

Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking).

 

you can keep saying it, but you won't make it true

 

No I agree entirely; it being true makes it true.

 

 

a truth that you handily can't prove

 

always was about the workers, whatever you claim

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

you actually think there is a safe way to smoke

 

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however.

 

 

I think your credibility ends here

 

It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

 

 

So are we banning motorbikes or not?

 

why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point

 

 

You were banning them because they don't kill you I think (along with miners who DO kill you).

 

 

how was I banning motorbikes? it's you that's banning motorbikes. I'm banning smoking in the workplace

 

no idea what's going on in your head regarding miners

[Bazooka_From_Viduka 0]

There may be some businesses that, mistakenly, believe that a canvas tent, marquee or awning is not subject to the ban. But the rules draw no distinction between these and any other premise. If it is a public place, or place of work, then it is subject to the ban.

 

Those organising a wedding, or similar, involving a marquee pose an interesting test for the new anti-smoking rules. The event is a private function so guests would be allowed to smoke unless anyone present is being paid to be there. So the rule is – don't smoke until the waiters and DJ go home.

 

 

but of course it wasn't about the workers, it's about ......?

 

 

 

 

eco-terrorism or something

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Someone told me yesterday that it's now illegal to smoke in your own home 20 minutes before a gas engineer or electric man etc is due a visit.

 

If this is true it's a disgrace, the bastards usually call unexpected anyway

[Park Life 71]

Someone told me yesterday that it's now illegal to smoke in your own home 20 minutes before a gas engineer or electric man etc is due a visit.

 

If this is true it's a disgrace, the bastards usually call unexpected anyway

 

 

There was some case involving a social worker last year refusing to go to a smokers house iirc. Get a proper fucking job - hippie twat!

[Fop 1]

 

a truth that you handily can't prove

 

And you can "prove" your claim how exact?

 

Oh yes you CANNOT.

 

 

Ventilation is just a matter of physical, a silly air barrier that doesn't ventilate the room, but tried to make two separate atmospheres it proof of nothing, just that an over engineered "solution" often isn't best one.

 

 

always was about the workers, whatever you claim

 

Oh really...... here's what the health secretary just said about it:

 

The new Health Secretary, Alan Johnson, welcomed the ban saying that tackling the causes of illnesses saved lives.

"A smoke-free country will improve the health of thousands of people, reduce the temptation to smoke and encourage smokers to quit," he added.

 

Yup all about there "workers" that.

 

Anymore ass you want to spew?

[peasepud 59]

Someone told me yesterday that it's now illegal to smoke in your own home 20 minutes before a gas engineer or electric man etc is due a visit.

 

Gas engineers usually call because you've rang them dont they? If so, Id have thought not smoking was a good idea anyway.