Dr Gloom 22510 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22510 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassplayerjj 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 never said he was quality here, I said at Galatarasay where he won the UEFA cup and a bronze medal for Turkey at a world cup. Big Sam (we hope!) helps players like this rediscover themselves and transforms them into premiership players, something Souness and Roeder couldn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22510 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Parker's a very limited player though, he's the sort of player you expect to stand out in a shit team because he does work hard, similar to Milner. I'm not trying to say Emre is a World beater or anything but there are certain formations and tactics a team could use which would see him become an important addition to the team, he would have been excellent in Sir Bobby's team with all of the pace and movement we used back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Parker's a very limited player though, he's the sort of player you expect to stand out in a shit team because he does work hard, similar to Milner. I'm not trying to say Emre is a World beater or anything but there are certain formations and tactics a team could use which would see him become an important addition to the team, he would have been excellent in Sir Bobby's team with all of the pace and movement we used back then. I take your point and actually agree about Parker and Milner. I just think Emre is limited too from what I've seen. He's not athletic, his set pieces are very good, he isn't box-to-box, he gives the ball away too much, he lacks pace etc. He's a 'luxury' player without being good enough imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22510 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. i never really saw much more than effort and work-rate from parker - he's very limited compared to emre in terms of technical ability and natural talent. the problem with parker is that he's an average holding player and a below average attacking midfielder. nicky butt's performances last season showed how limited parker is. at least with emre, there's flashes of skill and a sense that the best might still be to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Parker's a very limited player though, he's the sort of player you expect to stand out in a shit team because he does work hard, similar to Milner. I'm not trying to say Emre is a World beater or anything but there are certain formations and tactics a team could use which would see him become an important addition to the team, he would have been excellent in Sir Bobby's team with all of the pace and movement we used back then. I take your point and actually agree about Parker and Milner. I just think Emre is limited too from what I've seen. He's not athletic, his set pieces are very good, he isn't box-to-box, he gives the ball away too much, he lacks pace etc. He's a 'luxury' player without being good enough imo. typo, Shirley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. i never really saw much more than effort and work-rate from parker - he's very limited compared to emre in terms of technical ability and natural talent. the problem with parker is that he's an average holding player and a below average attacking midfielder. nicky butt's performances last season showed how limited parker is. at least with emre, there's flashes of skill and a sense that the best might still be to come. I agree. That's more than I've seen from Emre though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Parker's a very limited player though, he's the sort of player you expect to stand out in a shit team because he does work hard, similar to Milner. I'm not trying to say Emre is a World beater or anything but there are certain formations and tactics a team could use which would see him become an important addition to the team, he would have been excellent in Sir Bobby's team with all of the pace and movement we used back then. I take your point and actually agree about Parker and Milner. I just think Emre is limited too from what I've seen. He's not athletic, his set pieces are very good, he isn't box-to-box, he gives the ball away too much, he lacks pace etc. He's a 'luxury' player without being good enough imo. typo, Shirley? Aye, I meant aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Our corner kicks last season made me want to cry a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) i dunno why emre gets so much stick like. he was much better than the likes of duff and parker last season. not that that's saying too much. Much better is a stretching it a bit. mildly better? Aye. He isn't getting loads of stick either though to be fair. My beef was more with the assertion he is obviously quality. He hasn't shown it here. i like him because he's got touch and skill. i agree that he's been disappointing for us but i wonder if that's largely because he's played under two shite managers. maybe big sam will get him back to his best - i think he's worth keeping though because unlike someone like parker, he is clearly capable of more than he's shown since he's been with us. Don't see why Parker doesn't get the same excuse then (I wasn't too sorry to see him leave but fair's fair). And if anyone gets unfair stick it's Parker who has had a lot more decent games for us than Emre. Parker's a very limited player though, he's the sort of player you expect to stand out in a shit team because he does work hard, similar to Milner. I'm not trying to say Emre is a World beater or anything but there are certain formations and tactics a team could use which would see him become an important addition to the team, he would have been excellent in Sir Bobby's team with all of the pace and movement we used back then. I take your point and actually agree about Parker and Milner. I just think Emre is limited too from what I've seen. He's not athletic, his set pieces are very good, he isn't box-to-box, he gives the ball away too much, he lacks pace etc. He's a 'luxury' player without being good enough imo. Even I would give Emre the credit that he looks like having some potential and ability - he isn't using it very often though. My biggest concern with him is his character. He is too easily wound up and becoming a liability then (last year against Villa for example, where he was the best Newcastle player, but at some stage looked like wanting to murder the ref). His rolling theatrics go on my tits as well. I used to watch internationals with Turkish friends, and even in a team full of lunatics he does shine out. I despise this kind of character no matter how much potential or ability a player has. Edited June 27, 2007 by Isegrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 FUCKING TYPO MAN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) I'm hoping Emre is the sort of player who Big Sam revitalises and gets the best out of as he does have some ability. But i don't think he's shown that much in his time here so far, he hasn't scored enough goals, or directly set up enough and his set pieces have been terrible (even if Alex can't see that!). And as Isegrim said he can be wound up and lose his temper a bit too often. But i do think Big Sam can get alot more out of him than we've seen, and i also think he does work hard for the team like Parker did, but with potentially more skill and technique than Parker. Edited June 27, 2007 by Papa Lazaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Our corner kicks last season made me want to cry a bit. free kicks weren't much better Barton's got a decent delivery hasn't he? I'd give Zog and Nobby more opportunities as well, Charlie wasn't really given the chance to show what he can do from dead ball situations. I'm not saying he's definitely going to be awesome, but I'd like him to get a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11068 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. I know Zoggy's crossing from open play was poor, but I'm curious as to his ability when the ball is dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. I know Zoggy's crossing from open play was poor, but I'm curious as to his ability when the ball is dead He scored from a freekick against Fulham but it looked more like he miss hit a cross, unintentional IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. I know Zoggy's crossing from open play was poor, but I'm curious as to his ability when the ball is dead He did put in some pin-point balls the season before, like the one for Owen away at Blackburn. I also remember some decent corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. I know Zoggy's crossing from open play was poor, but I'm curious as to his ability when the ball is dead He scored from a freekick against Fulham but it looked more like he miss hit a cross, unintentional IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWybd5Q-Nr4 Fully intentional imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I thought his crossing was worse last season when he had time on the ball. The lad had a 'mare last year, but you mention the Blackburn game from the season before, where he had a blinder. Set up Owen's first for Newcastle and scored a cutie of a goal. Regardless, Emre should be allowed nowhere near the ball for set pieces next season. That seems to be the general conscensus anyway, bar one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Zogs crossing was attrocious last year. Barton apparently took a fair few of the set plays for City last year. Free kick delivery and corners. I seem to remember Luque taking a few corners throughout the season and they were very good. Best player ever after Zico Hughes. I know Zoggy's crossing from open play was poor, but I'm curious as to his ability when the ball is dead He scored from a freekick against Fulham but it looked more like he miss hit a cross, unintentional IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWybd5Q-Nr4 Fully intentional imho. I don't think it was, he was aiming for the back post for someone to come in with a header but got too much flight on the ball. Hopefully he won't be here next season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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