Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'm pretty sure if he was uncomfortable about answering controversial questions he could just tell the MOTD producers not to ask them? Yes I'm sure he could have a clause put in his contract explicitly forbidding them to ask him anything about Newcastle that might be construed as an opinion. Eh? Of course he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) I know where you're coming from Fop. I just happen to completely disagree. Edited June 20, 2007 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10033 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 He's also an ambassador for the club (officially that is). Which would surely be an even greater reason to express a very mild opinion on something he believes would be negative to the club, especially given the change in ownership and manager I suspect. Although again given the usual behaviour of Newcastle FC maybe it would have been more acceptable to have drunkenly slurred something much more direct and vulgar whilst ensconced in a brothel somewhere or other? I think the opposite is the case it isn't his role in that context imo. So every time he's asked his (dreaded) opinion on MoTD about Newcastle he should just say "The owner, chairman, manager and players are all doing a top class job" and simply repeat that to any question asked? And if challenged on this rather bizarre stance simply say "I'm a club ambassador, you know... The owner, chairman, manager and players are all doing a top class job". Perhaps there's a conflict of interest is what I'm saying. He didn't say this on MOTD either, did he? He was on holiday and he could have easily not commented but he chose to do so. I'd rather he didn't, not because it's Bellamy either. And he is more or less unique in his position of influence so that's why this sort of thing could potentially undermine decisions Allardyce or any future manager makes. Don't think for a minute he doesn't know what he's doing. This is about his personal dislike of the player rather than what is good for NUFC. The same applied when Bellamy left imo. As you said: If Allardyce wants him he won't take any notice of Shearer anyway imo. And again despite the usual hysteria here there's nothing wrong (or frankly "unprofessional" as an ex-player, media pundit or club ambassador) with what he's said, it's no great secret and it's certainly a much milder opinion than what he has said about the issue before. Frankly if he's said that he'd shove a corner flag up Bellamy's ass if he returned that'd still be rather sedate for Newcastles usual pantomime. Having this kind of stories plastered all about the papers is unprofessional. They serve absolutely no positive purpose for the club. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 From what I have seen of MOTD, Shearer was always very chary with his comments about NUFC. That was professional. He's always been fairly careful about supporting the current manager and generally players (which I'm sure he'd do whether an "ambassador" or not), but that's a long way from what we're discussing here. Although equally he has criticised certain things about Newcastle too. If he'd said Allerdyce is useless and there's no way he should be the manager, the players are a bag of shit an the new owner is just a shopkeeper, then yes there might be a point to the hysteria, but he's said nothing like that (and said nothing that he hasn't said repeatedly before really). For all his "Mary Poppins" image Shearer is no saint, but he's said nothing wrong in this case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Yes like expressing an opinion on the club he's always supported, played at and captained for 10+ years, and has expressed an interest in managing at some point in the future. As I said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 He's also an ambassador for the club (officially that is). Which would surely be an even greater reason to express a very mild opinion on something he believes would be negative to the club, especially given the change in ownership and manager I suspect. Although again given the usual behaviour of Newcastle FC maybe it would have been more acceptable to have drunkenly slurred something much more direct and vulgar whilst ensconced in a brothel somewhere or other? I think the opposite is the case it isn't his role in that context imo. So every time he's asked his (dreaded) opinion on MoTD about Newcastle he should just say "The owner, chairman, manager and players are all doing a top class job" and simply repeat that to any question asked? And if challenged on this rather bizarre stance simply say "I'm a club ambassador, you know... The owner, chairman, manager and players are all doing a top class job". Perhaps there's a conflict of interest is what I'm saying. He didn't say this on MOTD either, did he? He was on holiday and he could have easily not commented but he chose to do so. I'd rather he didn't, not because it's Bellamy either. And he is more or less unique in his position of influence so that's why this sort of thing could potentially undermine decisions Allardyce or any future manager makes. Don't think for a minute he doesn't know what he's doing. This is about his personal dislike of the player rather than what is good for NUFC. The same applied when Bellamy left imo. As you said: If Allardyce wants him he won't take any notice of Shearer anyway imo. And again despite the usual hysteria here there's nothing wrong (or frankly "unprofessional" as an ex-player, media pundit or club ambassador) with what he's said, it's no great secret and it's certainly a much milder opinion than what he has said about the issue before. Frankly if he's said that he'd shove a corner flag up Bellamy's ass if he returned that'd still be rather sedate for Newcastles usual pantomime. Having this kind of stories plastered all about the papers is unprofessional. They serve absolutely no positive purpose for the club. End of. I'd hardly describe this as exactly "plastered all about the papers" (certainly not in Newcastle usual context). It's just plain hysetria. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10033 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Yes like expressing an opinion on the club he's always supported, played at and captained for 10+ years, and has expressed an interest in managing at some point in the future. As I said: Especially as a wannabe future manager he should know that he doesn't want a bunch of ex-professionals expressing their "opinions" in public how he should do the job and which players he should sign or not sign. Also as an ambassador it is his job to raise the club's profile and not to maintain its "comical" tag. It's not hysteria, but simple logic. Though it seems to fail with some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Yes like expressing an opinion on the club he's always supported, played at and captained for 10+ years, and has expressed an interest in managing at some point in the future. As I said: Shearer has never made a divisive comment about Newcastle on MOTD, he's been nothing but diplomatic when the subject has been raised. He will have requested that potentially divisive questions about Newcastle are not asked infront of the BBC cameras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6703 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I was right.....another thread about Bellamy which will simply roll on and on and on and on ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Yes like expressing an opinion on the club he's always supported, played at and captained for 10+ years, and has expressed an interest in managing at some point in the future. As I said: Especially as a wannabe future manager he should know that he doesn't want a bunch of ex-professionals expressing their "opinions" in public how he should do the job and which players he should sign or not sign. Also as an ambassador it is his job to raise the club's profile and not to maintain its "comical" tag. And as by then an ex-professional player and ex-professional pundit he should know that is all part of the game. Also does this "thou must not express an opinion" only exclude ex-players of the club, or of any club? After all Shearer was a big influence on England and indeed I imagine his words carry some weight in a lot of footballing circles. It's not hysteria, but simple logic. Though it seems to fail with some... No it's the usual hysteria alright. Although I do enjoy the attempt at "logic" to justify it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Oh noes, not the rollyeyes? You are aware that certain subjects are requested to be made taboo by people appearing on television? Yes like expressing an opinion on the club he's always supported, played at and captained for 10+ years, and has expressed an interest in managing at some point in the future. As I said: Shearer has never made a divisive comment about Newcastle on MOTD, he's been nothing but diplomatic when the subject has been raised. He will have requested that potentially divisive questions about Newcastle are not asked infront of the BBC cameras He's never made a divisive comment I agree, but that's not the same thing as a critical comment, or indeed expressing an opinion of a potential bad signing it is now. (oh and do you think he carries a quick fill-in contract around to make anyone he meets NOT ask him questions that may make him express an opinion about Newcastle? ) Edited June 20, 2007 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Why do you think Shearer hasn't been asked to comment about Bellamy on MOTD with everyone knowing fine well that they had a strained relationship It's not as if he has agents to provide requests or anything eh? Edited June 20, 2007 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why do you think Shearer hasn't been asked to comment about Bellamy on MOTD with everyone knowing fine well that they had a strained relationship? He has obliquely commented on Bellamy on match of the day (more than once in fact, if you count the others saying something to the effect and him giving a wry smile or tongue in cheek I couldn't possibly comment). Although he hasn't come out and said anything like "I hate the twat" not particularly surprisingly (which he hasn't in this instance either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I thought what he said was fuckin' mint. Cracked me up when I first read it. Well said Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) That wouldn't be a non-divisive comment again, would it? Just to conclude, do you think it's fine for an ambassador of the club to be critical of it's potential transfer policy? Edited June 20, 2007 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31604 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why do you think Shearer hasn't been asked to comment about Bellamy on MOTD with everyone knowing fine well that they had a strained relationship It's not as if he has agents to provide requests or anything eh? Well they did mention the Bellamy/Shearer relationship before when Bellamy won goal of the month, something along the lines of "Alan is just texting Craig now to congratulate him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 For anyone who thinks Shearer should keep his mouth shut and stop commenting on the club he supports I reckon they should do the same, it's a sorry day when people can't voice their opinions without getting jumped on. Just another excuse for the Shearer haters to bitch imo - I still can't understand why there's so many NUFC supporters who apparently hate the bloke, I can't imagine why any supporter of our club would think of him as anything other than a legend deserving of the utmost respect. Just my opinion though, personally I think Shearer's spot on, Bellamy is a little c*nt, what's he said that's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I've already said I agree with what Shearer has said, just that it shouldn't have been made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 That wouldn't be a non-divisive comment again, would it? What humorously commenting on his relationship with an ex-player that was effectively kicked out of the club under the circumstances he was? Aye HUGELY divisive to Newcastle that. Just to conclude, do you think it's fine for an ambassador of the club to be critical of it's potential transfer policy? To say what he said? No it's perfectly fine, especially given the context, personal knowledge and the history. As that is miles away from second guessing the current manager on transfer policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why do you think Shearer hasn't been asked to comment about Bellamy on MOTD with everyone knowing fine well that they had a strained relationship It's not as if he has agents to provide requests or anything eh? Well they did mention the Bellamy/Shearer relationship before when Bellamy won goal of the month, something along the lines of "Alan is just texting Craig now to congratulate him". Indeed. And not just that, if the Bellamy/Shearer issue is a secret its the worse kept secret in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 He's supposed to be an ambassador though, to bring positive PR onto the club, not negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I've already said I agree with what Shearer has said, just that it shouldn't have been made public. It already is and has been public for a long time (since not long after Bellamy left the club and certainly since Shearer retired), this is just a perfectly reasonable mild reminder type comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 He's supposed to be an ambassador though, to bring positive PR onto the club, not negative. And he does bring a lot of positive PR. And frankly even if you squint and stand on one leg this hardly constitutes as "negative PR" (despite the hysteria). It's a non-story. And tbh if it did avoid Bellamy coming back he's probably saved the club from vast amounts of "negative PR" (as I said before I can't see Barton and Bellamy in the same team having any good out come). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I want the last word on this. Craig can you lock this now please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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