Barton or Parker?

[Dr Gloom 22508]

i don't massively rate either barton or parker. i'd say we've probably got the slightly better deal though. what do you reckon?

[IrishMag 0]

Us. For less than we even payed for Parker, we have gotten a midfielder who can do what he didn't do, score goals. Barton is a box to box player who has the ability and the drive to be a very good player for us. Yes he comes with baggage, but lets judge him on the pitch. In Nicky Butt we have a player who can do the breaking up of attacks job that Parker was left to do. Parker was good but I think Barton and Butt could well compliment each other very, very nicely.

[The Fish 11066]

We spent less and got a more proactive, creative, aggressive midfielder.

 

They spent more and got a more controlled, mature and likable midfielder.

 

but it's all subjective, Barton fills a gap in our squad, we needed a goal scoring attacking midfielder, West Ham may have needed a player who's not afraid to put his foot on the ball and dictate the tempo a little more.

 

in any case we've also just bought an excuse to revive and tweak the Warren Barton Centre Partin' chant... so that can't be a bad thing.

[MattM4 0]

No doubt about it. We did

[Dr Gloom 22508]

parker certainly isn't a goal-scoring midfielder. is barton?

 

Year-----Games------Goals

2006-----33-----------6

2005-----31-----------7

2004-----31 ----------1

2003-----28-----------1

2002------7-----------1

Edited June 6, 2007 by Fancy Dan lecturer

[The Fish 11066]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

[Dr Gloom 22508]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

[The Fish 11066]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Us. For less than we even payed for Parker, we have gotten a midfielder who can do what he didn't do, score goals. Barton is a box to box player who has the ability and the drive to be a very good player for us. Yes he comes with baggage, but lets judge him on the pitch. In Nicky Butt we have a player who can do the breaking up of attacks job that Parker was left to do. Parker was good but I think Barton and Butt could well compliment each other very, very nicely.

 

 

Keane & Butt

[gram 0]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

Edited June 6, 2007 by gram

[Jimbo 175]

parker certainly isn't a goal-scoring midfielder. is barton?

 

Year-----Games------Goals

2006-----33-----------6

2005-----31-----------7

2004-----31 ----------1

2003-----28-----------1

2002------7-----------1

 

 

Not a great return when you consider he's had the best part of £24m spent on aquiring his services.

[nufc4ever 0]

Barton is marginally the better player but is a tosser. However, we made money from the deal (indirectly) so I voted us.

[Gejon 2]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

[IrishMag 0]

The scariest thing is that we've actually made a profit from a Souness signing....

[nufc4ever 0]

Barton's record of bookings/sendings off:

[Capo 0]

Nufc [ 26 ] [100.00%]

West Ham [ 0 ] [0.00%]

 

[Guest Patrokles]

We should probably judge Barton after he's actually played a few games for us, to be fair.

[gram 0]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

[Gejon 2]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

 

He played a hell of a lot more games up front than Milner and has a good number of years experience over the lad aswell.

[gram 0]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

 

He played a hell of a lot more games up front than Milner and has a good number of years experience over the lad aswell.

Lot more ability too.

[Gejon 2]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

 

He played a hell of a lot more games up front than Milner and has a good number of years experience over the lad aswell.

Lot more ability too.

 

 

Apart from running fast what would these ability would this be then?

[gram 0]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

 

He played a hell of a lot more games up front than Milner and has a good number of years experience over the lad aswell.

Lot more ability too.

 

 

Apart from running fast what would these ability would this be then?

The one that Milner cant do you mean?

See which one of them plays for England tonight.....and has done, under 3 different managers, since he was younger than Milner is. There is a reason for that, you know. He has his flaws, but despite that, he is still a far far better player than Milner will ever be.

[Gejon 2]

he's certainly becoming more progressive in the box

 

6-7 goals a season is a decent return from a centre midfielder as long as the widemen chip in with a few - something duff and dyer have to improve on

That's if we keep Dyer and Duff, I'd be content to let em go somewhere else and play N'Zogbia and Milner, both of whom strike me as a greater goal threat.

Play Milner and N'Zogbia out wide and we will be midtable no matter who we put in the middle or up front.

Note that the two you clain to be a better goal threat scored less than the other two last season.

 

Milner scored more than Duff and Dyer played up front, hardly a fair comparison.

Have you read Milners scoring record from last season? Dyer played half a season and still outscored him despite being played all over the place last season - not up front, exclusively, as you suggest.

 

Just pointing out the kid isnt good enough, again. It will become apparent to you soon to

 

Nb: happy for him to stay as a squad player, just in case.

 

He played a hell of a lot more games up front than Milner and has a good number of years experience over the lad aswell.

Lot more ability too.

 

 

Apart from running fast what would these ability would this be then?

The one that Milner cant do you mean?

See which one of them plays for England tonight.....and has done, under 3 different managers, since he was younger than Milner is. There is a reason for that, you know. He has his flaws, but despite that, he is still a far far better player than Milner will ever be.

 

 

There have been plenty of players over the years that shouldn't have played for England but did and plenty the other way round aswell.

 

Milner will be a better player than Dyer ever was (I think he already is).

[gram 0]

That's nice for you. However, you are very very wrong. Lots of players have played for England once or twice and maybe shouldnt. Very few have played over 30 games without some semblance of ability. The sort of ability you cant see, for instance.

 

If a player is good enough then the current International scene is the easiest one for average players to make the odd appearance. Milner would have had some inkling that he was going to make the step up. I'll happily wager that he wont make as many England appearance as his colleague though. I'll also wager he wont make double figures.

People better qualified than you and I have made the decisions on ability. Those good enough tend to make it though. Very few escape it.

Edited June 6, 2007 by gram

[Gejon 2]

That's nice for you. However, you are very very wrong. Lots of players have played for England once or twice and maybe shouldnt. Very few have played over 30 games without some semblance of ability. The sort of ability you cant see, for instance.

 

If a player is good enough then the current International scene is the easiest one for average players to make the odd appearance. Milner would have had some inkling that he was going to make the step up. I'll happily wager that he wont make as many England appearance as his colleague though. I'll also wager he wont make double figures.

People better qualified than you and I have made the decisions on ability. Those good enough tend to make it though. Very few escape it.

 

 

Ok so going along with your theory Boumsong IS better than Mexes?