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In your opinion. Do you not think that Sven not managing at club level for 7 years means he could be a bit more risky than a manager who has done consistantly well during that time at a Premiership club?

 

Houllier is a lot less of a risk and I would be more than happy to see him here, my point isn't that he wouldn't be an excellent appointment, my point is that I can see why he is seen as more of a risk. Wrongly or rightly he was sacked from Liverpool because they felt his performances were slipping, he has gone on to do well in his next job but again its at a team that was pretty much set up to achieve what he has achieved. Some even feel he failed to get the best out of them in the champions league.

 

I am not really fussed, all 3 would make me happy as they are good managers and a MASSIVE improvement over anything we have had since SBr.

 

Sven has shown that he's still capable of managing a team, look at how England have done since he left. Club football is different, but he's watched that many premiership games over the last few years that he's hardly been away from the scene playing golf and he wouldn't be walking into unknown territory.

 

Houllier got the chop at Liverpool before really being given opportunity to turn it around. He had the health issues around the same time which did affect things, and he's gone on to prove that he's still a quality manager. He made some absolute bargain signings at Liverpool. He signed players like Hyypia, Henchoz, Risse for nearly nothing, and they went on to become an integral part of Liverpool's success. I think his record in the transfer market is better than people make out.

 

I do rate Allardyce highly I just feel he's got a lot to prove in comparison to the other two.

 

Houllier and Sven have impressive records and are very good managers, but imo don't quite have the bite and personality we need right now. The timing is right for Sam.

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Houllier has made some good signings and some bad ones. Quite similar to SBR.

 

...And Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho.

 

When you have big money to spend then chances are you will have the odd big money flop signing, you make up for it when you sign cheap players who go on to be worth a fair bit more money.

 

Allardyce hasn't spent any money at Bolton so he isn't going to make any flop signings, Anelka was a no brainer and Diouf had already been at Bolton on loan so he knew what he was getting, the situation is similar to Curbishley at Charlton where he had to work on a budget yet when he went to West Ham he didn't have a clue how to spend it.

 

There is nothing to say Allardyce won't be the same.

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In your opinion. Do you not think that Sven not managing at club level for 7 years means he could be a bit more risky than a manager who has done consistantly well during that time at a Premiership club?

 

Houllier is a lot less of a risk and I would be more than happy to see him here, my point isn't that he wouldn't be an excellent appointment, my point is that I can see why he is seen as more of a risk. Wrongly or rightly he was sacked from Liverpool because they felt his performances were slipping, he has gone on to do well in his next job but again its at a team that was pretty much set up to achieve what he has achieved. Some even feel he failed to get the best out of them in the champions league.

 

I am not really fussed, all 3 would make me happy as they are good managers and a MASSIVE improvement over anything we have had since SBr.

 

Sven has shown that he's still capable of managing a team, look at how England have done since he left. Club football is different, but he's watched that many premiership games over the last few years that he's hardly been away from the scene playing golf and he wouldn't be walking into unknown territory.

 

Houllier got the chop at Liverpool before really being given opportunity to turn it around. He had the health issues around the same time which did affect things, and he's gone on to prove that he's still a quality manager. He made some absolute bargain signings at Liverpool. He signed players like Hyypia, Henchoz, Risse for nearly nothing, and they went on to become an integral part of Liverpool's success. I think his record in the transfer market is better than people make out.

 

I do rate Allardyce highly I just feel he's got a lot to prove in comparison to the other two.

 

Houllier and Sven have impressive records and are very good managers, but imo don't quite have the bite and personality we need right now. The timing is right for Sam.

 

What they lack in 'bite' they make up for in tactical awareness, and that's something we haven't had for a long, long time.

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In your opinion. Do you not think that Sven not managing at club level for 7 years means he could be a bit more risky than a manager who has done consistantly well during that time at a Premiership club?

 

Houllier is a lot less of a risk and I would be more than happy to see him here, my point isn't that he wouldn't be an excellent appointment, my point is that I can see why he is seen as more of a risk. Wrongly or rightly he was sacked from Liverpool because they felt his performances were slipping, he has gone on to do well in his next job but again its at a team that was pretty much set up to achieve what he has achieved. Some even feel he failed to get the best out of them in the champions league.

 

I am not really fussed, all 3 would make me happy as they are good managers and a MASSIVE improvement over anything we have had since SBr.

 

Sven has shown that he's still capable of managing a team, look at how England have done since he left. Club football is different, but he's watched that many premiership games over the last few years that he's hardly been away from the scene playing golf and he wouldn't be walking into unknown territory.

 

Houllier got the chop at Liverpool before really being given opportunity to turn it around. He had the health issues around the same time which did affect things, and he's gone on to prove that he's still a quality manager. He made some absolute bargain signings at Liverpool. He signed players like Hyypia, Henchoz, Risse for nearly nothing, and they went on to become an integral part of Liverpool's success. I think his record in the transfer market is better than people make out.

 

I do rate Allardyce highly I just feel he's got a lot to prove in comparison to the other two.

 

Houllier and Sven have impressive records and are very good managers, but imo don't quite have the bite and personality we need right now. The timing is right for Sam.

 

What they lack in 'bite' they make up for in tactical awareness, and that's something we haven't had for a long, long time.

 

Can't say I disagree with that. If we had upwards of £25m in the pot (word is we don't) then Sven would have been a good choice. With all this negative spin he's had from England people forget he was once courted by Real Madrid and has done very well in all his club jobs. Sven has an extensive knowledge of Euro football and a great contact list, he is also a very modern thinker on the game as is Houllier. I have a feeling these two aren't maybe psychoogically strong enough to deal with the 'special situation' at SJP. On the other hand it appears that Fatty has a special respect for Sam and that imo is half the battle. My suspiscion is that Fatty never really believed in either Souness or Roeder.

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Houllier has made some good signings and some bad ones. Quite similar to SBR.

 

...And Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho.

 

When you have big money to spend then chances are you will have the odd big money flop signing, you make up for it when you sign cheap players who go on to be worth a fair bit more money.

 

Allardyce hasn't spent any money at Bolton so he isn't going to make any flop signings, Anelka was a no brainer and Diouf had already been at Bolton on loan so he knew what he was getting, the situation is similar to Curbishley at Charlton where he had to work on a budget yet when he went to West Ham he didn't have a clue how to spend it.

 

There is nothing to say Allardyce won't be the same.

 

 

Think its unfair to dismiss his signings on the few times he has had money to spend. If Anelka was such a no brainer then I can't see why numerous other more high profile clubs were scrambling to sign him and Diouf was a big risk. He also wanted to get Sorin but the club wouldn't pay the wages he wanted, do you think he would have been a shit signing? Or a "no brainer".

 

Both have paid off, but if you want to dismiss anything good he has done there is no point in trying to have a sensible discussion.

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Houllier has made some good signings and some bad ones. Quite similar to SBR.

 

...And Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho.

 

When you have big money to spend then chances are you will have the odd big money flop signing, you make up for it when you sign cheap players who go on to be worth a fair bit more money.

 

Allardyce hasn't spent any money at Bolton so he isn't going to make any flop signings, Anelka was a no brainer and Diouf had already been at Bolton on loan so he knew what he was getting, the situation is similar to Curbishley at Charlton where he had to work on a budget yet when he went to West Ham he didn't have a clue how to spend it.

 

There is nothing to say Allardyce won't be the same.

 

 

Think its unfair to dismiss his signings on the few times he has had money to spend. If Anelka was such a no brainer then I can't see why numerous other more high profile clubs were scrambling to sign him and Diouf was a big risk. He also wanted to get Sorin but the club wouldn't pay the wages he wanted, do you think he would have been a shit signing? Or a "no brainer".

 

Both have paid off, but if you want to dismiss anything good he has done there is no point in trying to have a sensible discussion.

 

We wanted him but for one reason or another we didn't get him, who else is there left? Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs didn't want him for one reason or another, either because they bought an alternative or they think they can do better.

 

How long was Diouf at Bolton on loan? Having the advantage of having a player in for a season or so to look at is completely different from going out and buying one.

 

As for Sorin - Who knows? good player in Spain but so was Luque, doesn't mean he would have been any good over here.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

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Allardyce has done enough at Bolton to deserve a chance at a bigger club.

I agree with that. He probably should have got the England job once the FA decided they wanted an Englishman. Which was just after Felipão ruled himself out. I'd have him here too btw :D

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Allardyce has done enough at Bolton to deserve a chance at a bigger club.

I agree with that. He probably should have got the England job once the FA decided they wanted an Englishman. Which was just after Felipão ruled himself out. I'd have him here too btw :D

 

I'm hopeful that Allardyce will come here and adapt to the (hopefully) bigger budget and (definitely) bigger expectations and do ok or better.

 

I think on balance I'd rather have had Houllier though, as he has already done what everyone is hoping Allardyce can do.

 

Sven (unless he brought in a truly inspirational captain or something) I suspect might just be a very expensive Roeder.

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Allardyce has done enough at Bolton to deserve a chance at a bigger club.

I agree with that. He probably should have got the England job once the FA decided they wanted an Englishman. Which was just after Felipão ruled himself out. I'd have him here too btw :D

 

I'm hopeful that Allardyce will come here and adapt to the (hopefully) bigger budget and (definitely) bigger expectations and do ok or better.

 

I think on balance I'd rather have had Houllier though, as he has already done what everyone is hoping Allardyce can do.

 

Sven (unless he brought in a truly inspirational captain or something) I suspect might just be a very expensive Roeder.

 

Dodgy ticker cholesterol levels too high at SJP. We would have killed him. :D

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

 

Ok you make out he will do the same as Curbishley and have no idea how to spend it.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

 

Ok you make out he will do the same as Curbishley and have no idea how to spend it. Was it Curbishley who wasted the money or was it Dowie? (geniune question btw).

 

I never said he'll do the same as Curbishley, I said there is nothing to suggest he won't, he's only signed one player for more than £5 million and that was a "no brainer" because Anelka is a proven quality player.

 

Your whole point was that Houllier had signed flops in the transfer market, I pointed out that any manager that deals with big money transfers will sign the odd flop here and there, when Allardyce comes here it's 99% that not all of his signing will work out, that's the way it is.

 

I'm not sure what you're on about with Dowie as my point about Curbishley is referring to his time at West Ham.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

 

Ok you make out he will do the same as Curbishley and have no idea how to spend it. Was it Curbishley who wasted the money or was it Dowie? (geniune question btw).

 

I never said he'll do the same as Curbishley, I said there is nothing to suggest he won't, he's only signed one player for more than £5 million and that was a "no brainer" because Anelka is a proven quality player.

 

Your whole point was that Houllier had signed flops in the transfer market, I pointed out that any manager that deals with big money transfers will sign the odd flop here and there, when Allardyce comes here it's 99% that not all of his signing will work out, that's the way it is.

 

I'm not sure what you're on about with Dowie as my point about Curbishley is referring to his time at West Ham.

 

I edited the point about Dowie as I read your post wrong the first time round. If Curbishley looks to have kept West Ham up then I don't think the hammers fans will look down on his signings that much (although Upson was a complete waste).

 

Yes I said Houllier had signed a lot of flops because he has (it wasn't "my whole point either", the way Thompers was talking it seemed like it was suggesting he hadn't. I wasn't slating Houllier just stating he had made some mistakes as other managers have.

 

The fact you brought up Curbishley to me says you are suggesting Allardyce may do the same, bascially having a dig for something that hasn't happened. Allardyce probably has one of the best success rates in the premiership, he has a lot of contacts and its not his fault he hasn't been given the opportunity very often to spend any real money but on the few occasions he has he has done well.

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

 

Ok you make out he will do the same as Curbishley and have no idea how to spend it. Was it Curbishley who wasted the money or was it Dowie? (geniune question btw).

 

I never said he'll do the same as Curbishley, I said there is nothing to suggest he won't, he's only signed one player for more than £5 million and that was a "no brainer" because Anelka is a proven quality player.

 

Your whole point was that Houllier had signed flops in the transfer market, I pointed out that any manager that deals with big money transfers will sign the odd flop here and there, when Allardyce comes here it's 99% that not all of his signing will work out, that's the way it is.

 

I'm not sure what you're on about with Dowie as my point about Curbishley is referring to his time at West Ham.

 

I edited the point about Dowie as I read your post wrong the first time round. If Curbishley looks to have kept West Ham up then I don't think the hammers fans will look down on his signings that much (although Upson was a complete waste).

 

Yes I said Houllier had signed a lot of flops because he has (it wasn't "my whole point either", the way Thompers was talking it seemed like it was suggesting he hadn't. I wasn't slating Houllier just stating he had made some mistakes as other managers have.

 

The fact you brought up Curbishley to me says you are suggesting Allardyce may do the same, bascially having a dig for something that hasn't happened. Allardyce probably has one of the best success rates in the premiership, he has a lot of contacts and its not his fault he hasn't been given the opportunity very often to spend any real money but on the few occasions he has he has done well.

 

He may do the same, he may not, until he's given the chance we don't know how he'll do, I'm not knocking him for something that hasn't happened I'm pointing out it could go either way.

 

Allardyce has the best success rates at what? Also what are all these contacts he has?

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Still think Allardyce was a huge coup for Bolton and Allardyce has shown when given money he knows how to use it. You say Anelka was a "no brainer" but Allardyce still went out and got him. I would say there were a few players who have been "no brainers" that we have passed up in the past and regretted it.

 

You can try and gloss it up as much as you like but he has spent well whenever given the chance. He might not make a success of every signing but he has at least shown he knows what the team needs and makes the right choice.

 

I'm not glossing over it, he's spent biggish money on two players, one of them he had on loan before completing the deal, that doesn't mean every signing he spends big money on will be great, as I've stated above all managers who spend big over time make the odd flop signing, Allardyce won't be any different.

 

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

 

The point is you make out he will crumble when given a decent budget and my point is the few times he has been given money to spend he has spent it very wisely. You have made excuses as to why he did will spending that money which suggests to me you are just looking at any possible reason to discredit Allardyce in anything he may have done well at.

 

Where have I said he will crumble?

 

Ok you make out he will do the same as Curbishley and have no idea how to spend it. Was it Curbishley who wasted the money or was it Dowie? (geniune question btw).

 

I never said he'll do the same as Curbishley, I said there is nothing to suggest he won't, he's only signed one player for more than £5 million and that was a "no brainer" because Anelka is a proven quality player.

 

Your whole point was that Houllier had signed flops in the transfer market, I pointed out that any manager that deals with big money transfers will sign the odd flop here and there, when Allardyce comes here it's 99% that not all of his signing will work out, that's the way it is.

 

I'm not sure what you're on about with Dowie as my point about Curbishley is referring to his time at West Ham.

 

I edited the point about Dowie as I read your post wrong the first time round. If Curbishley looks to have kept West Ham up then I don't think the hammers fans will look down on his signings that much (although Upson was a complete waste).

 

Yes I said Houllier had signed a lot of flops because he has (it wasn't "my whole point either", the way Thompers was talking it seemed like it was suggesting he hadn't. I wasn't slating Houllier just stating he had made some mistakes as other managers have.

 

The fact you brought up Curbishley to me says you are suggesting Allardyce may do the same, bascially having a dig for something that hasn't happened. Allardyce probably has one of the best success rates in the premiership, he has a lot of contacts and its not his fault he hasn't been given the opportunity very often to spend any real money but on the few occasions he has he has done well.

 

He may do the same, he may not, until he's given the chance we don't know how he'll do, I'm not knocking him for something that hasn't happened I'm pointing out it could go either way.

 

Allardyce has the best success rates at what? Also what are all these contacts he has?

 

He must have some contacts because the rate he picks up random players who come in and perform is pretty regular. Unless he plays a lot of FM.

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He may do the same, he may not, until he's given the chance we don't know how he'll do, I'm not knocking him for something that hasn't happened I'm pointing out it could go either way.

 

Allardyce has the best success rates at what? Also what are all these contacts he has?

 

He must have some contacts because the rate he picks up random players who come in and perform is pretty regular. Unless he plays a lot of FM.

 

So you just presume he has all these contacts then?

 

How many of these unknown players has he gone out and scouted or have they been brought to the club by their agent for a trial because they know Sam will slip them a brown envelope if the player is any good.

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He may do the same, he may not, until he's given the chance we don't know how he'll do, I'm not knocking him for something that hasn't happened I'm pointing out it could go either way.

 

Allardyce has the best success rates at what? Also what are all these contacts he has?

 

He must have some contacts because the rate he picks up random players who come in and perform is pretty regular. Unless he plays a lot of FM.

 

So you just presume he has all these contacts then?

 

How many of these unknown players has he gone out and scouted or have they been brought to the club by their agent for a trial because they know Sam will slip them a brown envelope if the player is any good.

 

 

Pretty much the same way I assume Wenger has contacts. Allardyce must spend a hell of a lot in these brown envelopes if all his deals are done that way.

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He may do the same, he may not, until he's given the chance we don't know how he'll do, I'm not knocking him for something that hasn't happened I'm pointing out it could go either way.

 

Allardyce has the best success rates at what? Also what are all these contacts he has?

 

He must have some contacts because the rate he picks up random players who come in and perform is pretty regular. Unless he plays a lot of FM.

 

So you just presume he has all these contacts then?

 

How many of these unknown players has he gone out and scouted or have they been brought to the club by their agent for a trial because they know Sam will slip them a brown envelope if the player is any good.

 

 

Pretty much the same way I assume Wenger has contacts. Allardyce must spend a hell of a lot in these brown envelopes if all his deals are done that way.

 

Wenger has a top youth set up that scout youth championships etc, similar to Chelsea they have scouts in every country who do nothing else except scout youth teams.

 

Allardyce on the other hand hasn't picked up any good youth players that I'd have here, most of his signings like Ben Haim were done through his agents bringing them to Allardyce's son who brought them to the attention of his Dad for a nice pay off.

 

It'll be interesting to see how many bargains he can pick up now his usual route is under investigation.

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Given he has something like 30 backroom staff I would guess he has a couple of scouts.

 

He had 30 backroom staff, how many of them follow him here is another thing altogether.

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Given he has something like 30 backroom staff I would guess he has a couple of scouts.

 

He had 30 backroom staff, how many of them follow him here is another thing altogether.

 

 

If he is as dodgy as you make him out to be I am sure he will keep in touch with a few.

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