Jimbo 175 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Its the asylum seekers tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hmm is say it was more the peasant underclass that continue to and allways have ruined England.. ...yeah but that kind of ruining is a loveable clueless rapscallion style ruining...The middle classes on the other hand have done nothing but shit on the country since the 50's. Explain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Its the asylum seekers tbh. ....and who are they here to service? Yes you got it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Its the asylum seekers tbh. ....and who are they here to service? Yes you got it.... Do you mind, I'm trying to read the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hmm is say it was more the peasant underclass that continue to and allways have ruined England.. ...yeah but that kind of ruining is a loveable clueless rapscallion style ruining...The middle classes on the other hand have done nothing but shit on the country since the 50's. Explain... ....a simple place to start is the 68 layers of unnecessary Govt linked admin in England...The civil service..the council, posh fat cunts working in the local library..devolution..,more layers of meaningless paperwork for the chattering classes...snide holidays in Sri Lanka, tax breaks, 4x4's...Wierd ties and shirts at impromptu gatherings to drink horse piss...Need I go on? The middle classes in league with the BBC have destroyed everything I once loved about England. Not to mention how they suck away all the taxpayers money...dribbling on countless forms and drinking free tea from the canteen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15754 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hmm is say it was more the peasant underclass that continue to and allways have ruined England.. ...yeah but that kind of ruining is a loveable clueless rapscallion style ruining...The middle classes on the other hand have done nothing but shit on the country since the 50's. Explain... ....a simple place to start is the 68 layers of unnecessary Govt linked admin in England...The civil service..the council, posh fat cunts working in the local library..devolution..,more layers of meaningless paperwork for the chattering classes...snide holidays in Sri Lanka, tax breaks, 4x4's...Wierd ties and shirts at impromptu gatherings to drink horse piss...Need I go on? The middle classes in league with the BBC have destroyed everything I once loved about England. Not to mention how they suck away all the taxpayers money...dribbling on countless forms and drinking free tea from the canteen.... Mate, you live in Germany and you're complaining about bloated middle-class bureaucracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hmm is say it was more the peasant underclass that continue to and allways have ruined England.. ...yeah but that kind of ruining is a loveable clueless rapscallion style ruining...The middle classes on the other hand have done nothing but shit on the country since the 50's. Explain... ....a simple place to start is the 68 layers of unnecessary Govt linked admin in England...The civil service..the council, posh fat cunts working in the local library..devolution..,more layers of meaningless paperwork for the chattering classes...snide holidays in Sri Lanka, tax breaks, 4x4's...Wierd ties and shirts at impromptu gatherings to drink horse piss...Need I go on? The middle classes in league with the BBC have destroyed everything I once loved about England. Not to mention how they suck away all the taxpayers money...dribbling on countless forms and drinking free tea from the canteen.... Mate, you live in Germany and you're complaining about bloated middle-class bureaucracy? Straw.Camel.Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Just pointing out that it didn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Let's call a spade a fuckin shovel here but if that little girl was the daughter of a 1 parent family on a cheap as shit package holidy how much would the fuclin media be all over her like a rash calling her an unfit mother and taking the other two kids off her into social care ...but ergo tis a middle class mother so lets throw in the fuckin sympathy ffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how right would I be !! Already be locked up tbh with her other kids in care from the day the story broke - fact Actually that one that left her baby in the "care" of her 10 year old daughter and pissed off to the med for 2 weeks wasn't locked up, didn't lose the child for more than a few days (after the holiday) either. What they did was very stupid, but still a long way from that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Just pointing out that it didn't happen Well it wouldn't, nothing in that scenario is remotely similar to this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Just pointing out that it didn't happen Well it wouldn't, nothing in that scenario is remotely similar to this situation. Apart from a 3 year old being killed due to parental negligence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22064 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hmm is say it was more the peasant underclass that continue to and allways have ruined England.. ...yeah but that kind of ruining is a loveable clueless rapscallion style ruining...The middle classes on the other hand have done nothing but shit on the country since the 50's. Explain... ....a simple place to start is the 68 layers of unnecessary Govt linked admin in England...The civil service..the council, posh fat cunts working in the local library..devolution..,more layers of meaningless paperwork for the chattering classes...snide holidays in Sri Lanka, tax breaks, 4x4's...Wierd ties and shirts at impromptu gatherings to drink horse piss...Need I go on? The middle classes in league with the BBC have destroyed everything I once loved about England. Not to mention how they suck away all the taxpayers money...dribbling on countless forms and drinking free tea from the canteen.... Presuming you're being remotely serious, what type of society and press would you like to see in the UK, out of interest? One more like the US? Your diatribe against the middle classes reveals quite a lot about your online personality I think. What do you do in Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Operator 10 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Just pointing out that it didn't happen Well it wouldn't, nothing in that scenario is remotely similar to this situation. Apart from a 3 year old being killed due to parental negligence? How man Miss Marple you don't know she's dead and if you did I call on you to hand yourself in and take on "alguido" status! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You can't help thinking that if this had been an alchoholic drug taking white trash lower than working class scumbag that had through gross negligence let her 3 year old get killed by the families illegal dangerous dog, she would have been vilified in the press and been locked up and the key thrown away And that would be wrong because? Just pointing out that it didn't happen Well it wouldn't, nothing in that scenario is remotely similar to this situation. Apart from a 3 year old being killed due to parental negligence? Yeah, and that woman who left her kid in the bath alone to be abducted last christmas is just as bad as them both I guess. It's black and white, you're either negligent or you aren't. I don't think so, the pissed up druggie of a grandma that set a dog on her grandbairn was clearly more negligent than someone who nipped out of the chalet for a few drinks while the kids slept. She in turn could be considered more culpable than a woman who only left her kid in the bath with an unlocked back door. No way do they all dserve to be tarred as negligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... Are we all perfect enough (and I'm talking about the ones of us on here who are parents) that we've never had a situation where our kids have been out of our sight long enough for someone to snatch them? I know that I can't say hand on heart that I've never left my kids in a position where they could be abducted. I've popped out to get something from my car and left them in the house - what's to stop someone coming in from the back and nabbing one of them? How many people blamed Denise Fergus for leaving her son outside a butcher's shop while she went in and bought some meat for their family dinner? Her son just happened to be James Bulger and we all know what happened to him. Yet I can't recall one finger being pointed in the direction of his mother as a cause (even indirectly) to his abduction. Why are the McCann's being berated and she isn't? I presume its because she turned her back for a split second rather than going off to a tapas bar for 20 mins and was not doing something which could be classed as a 'social activity'. My personal opinion here is that I think it is almost certain the villa was being watched. The room she was in was locked and the window had been forced to gain entry. The crime here isn't neglect, it's abduction. If the parents had been in another room in the apartment and someone had broken in through her window and exited with her, would that be their fault as well? I think what they did (by leaving her) is morally VERY questionable. A very BIG mistake. But the criminal action is by the abductor/s and that must be pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4166 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Craig plainly has the hots for the Mother, you can smell the sexual tension in his every post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20945 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... Are we all perfect enough (and I'm talking about the ones of us on here who are parents) that we've never had a situation where our kids have been out of our sight long enough for someone to snatch them? I know that I can't say hand on heart that I've never left my kids in a position where they could be abducted. I've popped out to get something from my car and left them in the house - what's to stop someone coming in from the back and nabbing one of them? How many people blamed Denise Fergus for leaving her son outside a butcher's shop while she went in and bought some meat for their family dinner? Her son just happened to be James Bulger and we all know what happened to him. Yet I can't recall one finger being pointed in the direction of his mother as a cause (even indirectly) to his abduction. Why are the McCann's being berated and she isn't? I presume its because she turned her back for a split second rather than going off to a tapas bar for 20 mins and was not doing something which could be classed as a 'social activity'. My personal opinion here is that I think it is almost certain the villa was being watched. The room she was in was locked and the window had been forced to gain entry. The crime here isn't neglect, it's abduction. If the parents had been in another room in the apartment and someone had broken in through her window and exited with her, would that be their fault as well? I think what they did (by leaving her) is morally VERY questionable. A very BIG mistake. But the criminal action is by the abductor/s and that must be pursued. A mother being in a shop is rather differnt than putting your kids to bed to go on the lash Craig mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22064 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... Are we all perfect enough (and I'm talking about the ones of us on here who are parents) that we've never had a situation where our kids have been out of our sight long enough for someone to snatch them? I know that I can't say hand on heart that I've never left my kids in a position where they could be abducted. I've popped out to get something from my car and left them in the house - what's to stop someone coming in from the back and nabbing one of them? How many people blamed Denise Fergus for leaving her son outside a butcher's shop while she went in and bought some meat for their family dinner? Her son just happened to be James Bulger and we all know what happened to him. Yet I can't recall one finger being pointed in the direction of his mother as a cause (even indirectly) to his abduction. Why are the McCann's being berated and she isn't? I presume its because she turned her back for a split second rather than going off to a tapas bar for 20 mins and was not doing something which could be classed as a 'social activity'. My personal opinion here is that I think it is almost certain the villa was being watched. The room she was in was locked and the window had been forced to gain entry. The crime here isn't neglect, it's abduction. If the parents had been in another room in the apartment and someone had broken in through her window and exited with her, would that be their fault as well? I think what they did (by leaving her) is morally VERY questionable. A very BIG mistake. But the criminal action is by the abductor/s and that must be pursued. Abduction like this is incredibly rare though, isn't it? That's why the initial finger of suspicion always falls on a friend/relative. You may be right and it might have happened the way they described it, but so far no leads have substantiated this. I think its only right to keep an open mind about it, like I say I'm sure all the facts aren't in the public domain. Of course in the mean time you have to assume the McCanns' are innocent though, and as such they should get sympathy rather than chastisement considering their loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... I'll wag the finger, what they did was simply inexcusable regardless of the hindsight of the abduction, I would never leave my children unattended under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... I'll wag the finger, what they did was simply inexcusable regardless of the hindsight of the abduction, I would never leave my children unattended under any circumstances. People do though. I saw a young mother last week leave her 3 year old daughter and under 1 year old outside a super market, she told the older one not to move and popped in for something, she was only gone for maybe ~45 seconds, but still time enough for an abduction really. I'd say that was probably more risky than what those group of parents were doing (leaving them in their nearby flats and 1 going to check on them every 20 mins or so). Although both are really stupid things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I thought the villa/apartment was unlocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... I'll wag the finger, what they did was simply inexcusable regardless of the hindsight of the abduction, I would never leave my children unattended under any circumstances. People do though. I saw a young mother last week leave her 3 year old daughter and under 1 year old outside a super market, she told the older one not to move and popped in for something, she was only gone for maybe ~45 seconds, but still time enough for an abduction really. I'd say that was probably more risky than what those group of parents were doing (leaving them in their nearby flats and 1 going to check on them every 20 mins or so). Although both are really stupid things to do. To my mind, a worse case of negligence does not vindicate a lesser case. I'm not a father but I know that there is no way I'd leave kids of that age unattended, especially not in an area with which I was unfamiliar, even if the gaps of absence were only 30 minutes. My friends who are parents daren't leave their kids alone in a seperate room in their own home without checking, let alone an hotel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Who are we to wag the finger and say they were negligent, seriously...... I'll wag the finger, what they did was simply inexcusable regardless of the hindsight of the abduction, I would never leave my children unattended under any circumstances. Seriously Jimbo, have you never left the kids in the house and popped out to get something out of the car? Like I said, it only takes that split second. The McCann's might have been away from the kids for a prolonged period, but they were checking back on them every 20mins or so. As I have said, I think that from a moral perspective, what they did was very questionable and a huge mistake but what they did is by no means unprecendented. They're being chastised because they were unfortunate enough to be the ones that had their child abducted. We all try to wrap our children up in cotton wool as much as possible, but it is impossible to keep an eye on them 24/7. Nothing more tragically highlights this than what happened to Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. As far as Holly's parents were concerned, the two of them were playing in Holly's room upstairs not knowing that the two of them had sneaked out to buy sweets. As for the comment someone made about a mother leaving her child alone outside a shop in a busy shopping mall (in the case of James Bulger) not being as bad as what the McCann's did. I don't necessarily agree. In both instances, the child was under the care of their parent and in both cases, the parent left the child in a vulnerable situation from which someone exploited. I think Renton has pretty much summed it up well. Until they're proven guilty, the McCanns are innocent and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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