No worries for Roeder

[Isegrim 10035]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

I was just speaking in the context of midfield, I guess most on here were able to understand this. And yes, I think in midfield we had the amount of injury a team normally has to cope with during the course of a season. As I said above: yes, we had major injury problems up front and injury problems at the back. Though, regarding latter you can argue that we actually got our best results when we were forced to play the likes of Huntingdon and Edgar earlier this year.

[Renton 22591]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

 

I would say our injury rate/squad size ratio is quite high. But who is responsible for building a squad? Going back to the previous point, there is no excuse for Roeder's team selections when he has had a choice of players, none whatsoever. I rate him as a far worse manager than the likes of Coleman tbh, in fact, name me a worse premiership manager.

[Fop 1]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

I was just speaking in the context of midfield, I guess most on here were able to understand this. And yes, I think in midfield we had the amount of injury a team normally has to cope with during the course of a season. As I said above: yes, we had major injury problems up front and injury problems at the back.

 

Even if you were speaking only in the context of midfield (which I doubt) we've still had significant injury problems there (again which Premiership teams have had worse than us even just there?).

 

 

Though, regarding latter you can argue that we actually got our best results when we were forced to play the likes of Huntingdon and Edgar earlier this year.

 

So do that mean you think we should be playing them now?

 

And you've still not given your "settled" midfield pairing for this season.

[Asprilla 96]

 

We were better off under Souness than Roeder tbh. Better coaching setup, more capable in transfer windows, nothing like the pushover that we are at home. And incredibly, Roeder actually talks more shit than Souness. At the minute, the team performances reflect Roeder's personality - wet and insipid.

 

 

 

Our league position and win ratio are loads better under Roeder...and at about a quarter of the cost.

[Fop 1]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

 

I would say our injury rate/squad size ratio is quite high. But who is responsible for building a squad?

 

I would say it is still a little unfair to criticize him on this too much, till after the summer. If the same issues occur again them yes without a doubt.

 

Although at NUFC I'd say it was FFS responsibility to build a squad (or at least so he believes).

 

 

Going back to the previous point, there is no excuse for Roeder's team selections when he has had a choice of players, none whatsoever. I rate him as a far worse manager than the likes of Coleman tbh, in fact, name me a worse premiership manager.

 

Yep I think some of his selections are shocking, but equally that doesn't take away from the fact that we've rarely been able to field a settled team or even pairing (at almost any position) due to injuries.

 

Just think if just Ronaldo was injured for 1/2 of this season would Man U be where they are currently even with their squad and Ferguson? I'd say not.

[Renton 22591]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

 

I would say our injury rate/squad size ratio is quite high. But who is responsible for building a squad?

 

I would say it is still a little unfair to criticize him on this too much, till after the summer. If the same issues occur again them yes without a doubt.

 

Although at NUFC I'd say it was FFS responsibility to build a squad (or at least so he believes).

 

 

Going back to the previous point, there is no excuse for Roeder's team selections when he has had a choice of players, none whatsoever. I rate him as a far worse manager than the likes of Coleman tbh, in fact, name me a worse premiership manager.

 

Yep I think some of his selections are shocking, but equally that doesn't take away from the fact that we've rarely been able to field a settled team or even pairing (at almost any position) due to injuries.

 

Just think if just Ronaldo was injured for 1/2 of this season would Man U be where they are currently even with their squad and Ferguson? I'd say not.

 

Howay Fop, that's a daft comparison and is completely speculative. Seriously though, which manager in the EPL do you think is worse than Roeder?

[Fop 1]

Fop is painting an ideal case scenario where you have every player fit for every game during the course of a season. I've never ever seen a team being so lucky. We had the normal amount of injuries.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that is just patent bollocks.

 

We've had a lot of injuries in any context (even our own over the last 10 years).

 

We've had a lot of serious injuries.

 

We've had a lot of long term injuries and repeating injuries.

 

We've had injuries to key players.

 

 

 

Do you not remember us basically almost not being able to field a full squad even with academy raided players?

 

If that's your idea of a "normal amount of injuries" I'd hate to see your idea of an injury crisis.

 

Which other Premiership teams have been hit that bad this season then?

 

 

 

 

If Roeder hasn't been able to form a settled midfield partnership, it was down to shortcomings in tactical training, but not because of injury reasons.

 

This isn't just about a settle midfield partnership (it's about a settled full midfield and the right midfield partnership), but even if it was, what IS the settled partnership he should have played with? Baring in mind injuries and stuff like Emre's racism thing?

 

I would say our injury rate/squad size ratio is quite high. But who is responsible for building a squad?

 

I would say it is still a little unfair to criticize him on this too much, till after the summer. If the same issues occur again them yes without a doubt.

 

Although at NUFC I'd say it was FFS responsibility to build a squad (or at least so he believes).

 

 

Going back to the previous point, there is no excuse for Roeder's team selections when he has had a choice of players, none whatsoever. I rate him as a far worse manager than the likes of Coleman tbh, in fact, name me a worse premiership manager.

 

Yep I think some of his selections are shocking, but equally that doesn't take away from the fact that we've rarely been able to field a settled team or even pairing (at almost any position) due to injuries.

 

Just think if just Ronaldo was injured for 1/2 of this season would Man U be where they are currently even with their squad and Ferguson? I'd say not.

 

Howay Fop, that's a daft comparison and is completely speculative. Seriously though, which manager in the EPL do you think is worse than Roeder?

 

I still think it's pretty true (he's given them more than 3 points this season easily) and it's no more speculative than our position if we'd not had all our injuries (although I doubt we'd be much more than 7th ish anyway tbh).

 

But that's hard to answer because most of the ones I'd say maybe were are in yoyo teams without even our squads quality, so it is hard to compare them.

 

But I will say that there's quite a few I wouldn't prefer to him particularly in the Premiership (although there's more than a few I would as well).

[Isegrim 10035]

Even if you were speaking only in the context of midfield (which I doubt) we've still had significant injury problems there (again which Premiership teams have had worse than us even just there?).

Well, I know what I am speaking of and if you can't read my posts in context (I already had stated that I think we had injury problems at the back and up front in an earlier post) then it is not my problem. So I don't see any reason to answer any of your points if you seem to (want to) fail to understand my viewpoint anyway.

 

The three of Emre, Butt and Parker have started 64 of possible 99 games in between. You can even add the handful of games Dyer played in central midfield to it and you'll just get the normal amount of games split in between of midfield players during a season.

 

I don't need your sly digs and therefore will abstain from any further discussion with you. Have a nice day.

Edited April 13, 2007 by Isegrim

[Fop 1]

Even if you were speaking only in the context of midfield (which I doubt) we've still had significant injury problems there (again which Premiership teams have had worse than us even just there?).

Well, I know what I am speaking of and if you can't read my posts in context (I already had stated that I think we had injury problems at the back and up front in an earlier post) then it is not my problem. So I don't see any reason to answer any of your points if you seem to (want to) fail to understand my viewpoint anyway.

 

The three of Emre, Butt and Parker have started 64 of possible 99 games in between. You can even add the handful of games Dyer played in central midfield to it and you'll just get the normal amount of games split in between of midfield players during a season.

 

I don't need your sly digs and therefore will abstain from any further discussion with you. Have a nice day.

 

So no answer then. Can't say I'm shocked.

[Park Life 71]

I never get this "these are not my players excuse". It's a very easy opt out clause. Of course a manager will have different ideas than his predecessor concerning the signing of players and probably wouldn't have signed the same players. But it's still his job to get the most out of the current crop of players and use them up to their strength. Something where Roeder is failing big time.

Having Emre doesn't help though right?

As much as I dislike the player and will dance on the street if we can get rid of him, I would appreciate it if Emre was used in a way that he was a benefit for the team. He is an arsehole, but (theoretically) a decent player. The lack of service for the front men ... err man ... is very much down to the incompetence of Roeder to give the existing midfield any shape.

 

They have not the first clue on how to play through the midfield. There have been momemts mainly with Dyer rotating and jinking around for a few minutes here and there....That they seem to come out of a deep sleep.

[ewerk 31641]

 

We were better off under Souness than Roeder tbh. Better coaching setup, more capable in transfer windows, nothing like the pushover that we are at home. And incredibly, Roeder actually talks more shit than Souness. At the minute, the team performances reflect Roeder's personality - wet and insipid.

 

 

 

Our league position and win ratio are loads better under Roeder...and at about a quarter of the cost.

 

Our points per league game this season is only marginally better than it was last season under Souness.

[Asprilla 96]

 

We were better off under Souness than Roeder tbh. Better coaching setup, more capable in transfer windows, nothing like the pushover that we are at home. And incredibly, Roeder actually talks more shit than Souness. At the minute, the team performances reflect Roeder's personality - wet and insipid.

 

 

 

Our league position and win ratio are loads better under Roeder...and at about a quarter of the cost.

 

Our points per league game this season is only marginally better than it was last season under Souness.

 

ok..but still he's spending shitloads less to do it....

[ewerk 31641]

 

We were better off under Souness than Roeder tbh. Better coaching setup, more capable in transfer windows, nothing like the pushover that we are at home. And incredibly, Roeder actually talks more shit than Souness. At the minute, the team performances reflect Roeder's personality - wet and insipid.

 

 

 

Our league position and win ratio are loads better under Roeder...and at about a quarter of the cost.

 

Our points per league game this season is only marginally better than it was last season under Souness.

 

ok..but still he's spending shitloads less to do it....

 

Aye but the only decent player we've lost from Souness' squad was Shearer and in return Roeder has added Martins, Duff and Sibierski so we arguably have a stronger squad now than in Souness' last season.

[Asprilla 96]

 

We were better off under Souness than Roeder tbh. Better coaching setup, more capable in transfer windows, nothing like the pushover that we are at home. And incredibly, Roeder actually talks more shit than Souness. At the minute, the team performances reflect Roeder's personality - wet and insipid.

 

 

 

Our league position and win ratio are loads better under Roeder...and at about a quarter of the cost.

 

Our points per league game this season is only marginally better than it was last season under Souness.

 

ok..but still he's spending shitloads less to do it....

 

Aye but the only decent player we've lost from Souness' squad was Shearer and in return Roeder has added Martins, Duff and Sibierski so we arguably have a stronger squad now than in Souness' last season.

AND Owen tbf....

 

I'd also argue:

 

Martins > Luque

Gooch > Boumsong

[Renton 22591]

Comparing the worst manager in premiership history with one of the other worst really makes sense doesn't it? Ridiculous to keep Roeder on the grounds he's better than Souness, particularly when the difference is marginal.