quick work related question

[The Fish 11122]

when I left the ministry I was over paid about a grand, should have paid it back, but got away with it because of my Dad and a guy he worked with. They've both retired now so I'm not worried that they'll get into trouble for it, but I basically had a Director and one of the Union Top Brass fighting my case for me.

 

blatantly should have repaid it though.

[Gemmill 47572]

I'm currently paying back a £1200 ish overpayment on my salary cos the HR people fucked it up - so this type of thing really gets me wound up.

 

 

my employer, the dwp, say that any overpayment, no matter what the reason, has to be repaid. no exceptions. ever.

 

though thats probably due to it being public funds.......but still

 

Errr, no, it's due to you being not entitled to it. If it was a gradual overpayment - i.e. they were overpaying you £60 a month for a long time, then I can sort of feel your pain, but if you had £1200 pop up in your account all at once and you knew it was a mistake, you shouldn't have spent it in the first place.

 

 

Aye - but when you spend all day writing off £5428, £3289 and £9212 overpayments due to 'departmental error' it pisses you off.

 

Actually - a lot of things about my job piss me off.......

 

Aye, I agree there like, the public sector does my fucking head in. Once did some work at one of the local councils - the firm I worked for had done a cost-saving study for them the year before and identified a load of areas where they could make cost savings. Anyway, the fucking idiots implemented the changes but then forgot to track the costs and therefore weren't sure if they'd made the savings.

 

Their solution was to pay us £70k to go back in and work out whether or not they had made the cost savings. The irony of spending money to work out whether you've saved money was utterly lost on these fucking arseholes running the place who tried to pass this off as a good idea when it clearly had "we need to spend what's left of our budget" written all over it.

 

That's the sort of numbskulled ideas our council tax are going on.

[luckyluke 2]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

[Gemmill 47572]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Aye, I'd say that's fair enough. My dodgy Russian landlord in San Francisco kept my security deposit to get the entire apartment re-painted when I moved out, the dirty bastard. This is the same bloke whose son used to come downstairs, knock on my door and ask if he could have shits in my toilet if his mam was in the bath. AND! I came back from holiday once only to be greeted by the son saying "I noticed you have so and so a CD in your collection and was wondering if I could borrow it". The brass neck on the dirty little bastard when he had clearly been ferreting round the place while I was away.

[Renton 22650]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Depends what was on the small print I guess, is it necessarily illegal? You need to ask MancMag on whether the tough titty law applies.

 

I've ripped off land lords before anyway, I must admit.

[Renton 22650]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Aye, I'd say that's fair enough. My dodgy Russian landlord in San Francisco kept my security deposit to get the entire apartment re-painted when I moved out, the dirty bastard. This is the same bloke whose son used to come downstairs, knock on my door and ask if he could have shits in my toilet if his mam was in the bath. AND! I came back from holiday once only to be greeted by the son saying "I noticed you have so and so a CD in your collection and was wondering if I could borrow it". The brass neck on the dirty little bastard when he had clearly been ferreting round the place while I was away.

 

Should have done a Pacific Heights on him.

[Gemmill 47572]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Aye, I'd say that's fair enough. My dodgy Russian landlord in San Francisco kept my security deposit to get the entire apartment re-painted when I moved out, the dirty bastard. This is the same bloke whose son used to come downstairs, knock on my door and ask if he could have shits in my toilet if his mam was in the bath. AND! I came back from holiday once only to be greeted by the son saying "I noticed you have so and so a CD in your collection and was wondering if I could borrow it". The brass neck on the dirty little bastard when he had clearly been ferreting round the place while I was away.

 

Should have done a Pacific Heights on him.

 

I moved from there to Pacific Heights as it happens. Bourgeouis as fuck.

[The Fish 11122]

Our Landlord is trying to keep the bond from last year because a lad (who isn't living with us anymore) failed to pay his rent on time. HE says this is a breach of contract and because of this he's keeping our bonds... the fucker.

 

eitherway we're getting the money back, from him or from the ex-housemate.

[Tom 14023]

I havent even payed the bond to my landlord,

 

Im tempted to ask for it back at the end too

[luckyluke 2]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Depends what was on the small print I guess, is it necessarily illegal? You need to ask MancMag on whether the tough titty law applies.

 

I've ripped off land lords before anyway, I must admit.

 

I think it's illegal in the same way that banks can't charge you loads to send you letters, I was under the impression the law says they can only charge them what it costs them. So unless they've bought some tippex made from dodo milk and platinum it won't have cost them £100.

[Gemmill 47572]

Our Landlord is trying to keep the bond from last year because a lad (who isn't living with us anymore) failed to pay his rent on time. HE says this is a breach of contract and because of this he's keeping our bonds... the fucker.

 

eitherway we're getting the money back, from him or from the ex-housemate.

 

I would see a solicitor about that. I don't know much about the law, but common sense would say that if you've all paid up on completion of your contract, and the property is in good condition, he has no right to keep your bond - certainly not all of it, maybe this lad's share? Sammy might tell you otherwise....

[ewerk 31679]

Depends on the contract, if yous all signed up together on the one contract then you are all equally liable if my memory serves me correctly.

[The Fish 11122]

Our Landlord is trying to keep the bond from last year because a lad (who isn't living with us anymore) failed to pay his rent on time. HE says this is a breach of contract and because of this he's keeping our bonds... the fucker.

 

eitherway we're getting the money back, from him or from the ex-housemate.

 

I would see a solicitor about that. I don't know much about the law, but common sense would say that if you've all paid up on completion of your contract, and the property is in good condition, he has no right to keep your bond - certainly not all of it, maybe this lad's share? Sammy might tell you otherwise....

 

The Dad of one of the current housemates is looking at the contract, but didn't seem overly impressed with it, something about us all signing one document, rather than individual contracts.

 

The bond is £300 each and there are 7 of us, there's no way he's keeping £1800.

 

so if anyone else is thinking of studying in Leeds, or is thinking of swapping student landlords this summer, don't go with John Planas and sons.

[Ally 0]

If its a joint tenancy agreement, surely you're all liable?

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

I havent even payed the bond to my landlord,

 

Im tempted to ask for it back at the end too

[manc-mag 1]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Depends what was on the small print I guess, is it necessarily illegal? You need to ask MancMag on whether the tough titty law applies.

 

I've ripped off land lords before anyway, I must admit.

 

Arguable either way that one. It's perfectly legal to withold rent to offset against breaches of contract on the landlords side. I guess you'd be arguing that what the landlord did in the admin payment was a breach of contract. Whether or not that would be the case is a question of fact-ie what does the contract say re admin fees for such things?

 

Beyond that there may be a question of law-ie was what the contract says re admin fees legal (and therefore valid and enforceable) under consumer protection law, but thats an altogether more involved argument and probably not worth the powder and shot for 100 notes.

 

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

Actually I reckon I'd be about as much use as a GP in that scenario

[luckyluke 2]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Depends what was on the small print I guess, is it necessarily illegal? You need to ask MancMag on whether the tough titty law applies.

 

I've ripped off land lords before anyway, I must admit.

 

Arguable either way that one. It's perfectly legal to withold rent to offset against breaches of contract on the landlords side. I guess you'd be arguing that what the landlord did in the admin payment was a breach of contract. Whether or not that would be the case is a question of fact-ie what does the contract say re admin fees for such things?

 

Beyond that there may be a question of law-ie was what the contract says re admin fees legal (and therefore valid and enforceable) under consumer protection law, but thats an altogether more involved argument and probably not worth the powder and shot for 100 notes.

 

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

Actually I reckon I'd be about as much use as a GP in that scenario

 

I doubt it, you wouldn't know what a heart is, you're a lawyer!

[Renton 22650]

Of course you have to give it back. If you have spent it (pretty stupid if you have), they might let you pay back in installments, that's about it. This is an example of "something for nothing" culture really.

 

I was overpaid a grand at christmas as it happens. I paid it back immediately, even though my employers owe me at least that much in backdated pay. On reflection, I shouldn't have paid it 'til my own pay was sorted tbh, it's been dragging on for years now.

 

When my housemate moved out, our letting agency wouldn't give him £100 of his deposit, citing it as an administrative charge for changing a name on the contract. As this is clearly illegal, when they accidentally refunded him for a month's rent he kept £100 of it. Is that justified?

 

Depends what was on the small print I guess, is it necessarily illegal? You need to ask MancMag on whether the tough titty law applies.

 

I've ripped off land lords before anyway, I must admit.

 

Arguable either way that one. It's perfectly legal to withold rent to offset against breaches of contract on the landlords side. I guess you'd be arguing that what the landlord did in the admin payment was a breach of contract. Whether or not that would be the case is a question of fact-ie what does the contract say re admin fees for such things?

 

Beyond that there may be a question of law-ie was what the contract says re admin fees legal (and therefore valid and enforceable) under consumer protection law, but thats an altogether more involved argument and probably not worth the powder and shot for 100 notes.

 

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

Actually I reckon I'd be about as much use as a GP in that scenario

 

Well that's basically what I said, dressed up in your fancy Dan lawyer language.

[Gemmill 47572]

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

The fact that you have ANY knowledge of law and are able to pass yourself off as a lawyer amazes me more than enough, never mind assuming you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all aspects.

[Renton 22650]

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

The fact that you have ANY knowledge of law and are able to pass yourself off as a lawyer amazes me more than enough, never mind assuming you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all aspects.

 

Ooooh, pots and kettles.

[Gemmill 47572]

I'm not a housing law solicitor btw....always amuses me that if people know you're a lawyer they expect you would have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every aspect of law. It's a bit like asking a GP to conduct a heart bypass operation.

 

The fact that you have ANY knowledge of law and are able to pass yourself off as a lawyer amazes me more than enough, never mind assuming you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all aspects.

 

Ooooh, pots and kettles.

 

Silence, chubster!

[Guest stevieintoon]

Fuck them. Tell them you'll see them in court, just say she thought it was a golden handshake, and you can't be held responsible for their organisational difficiencies. They wouldn't go to court ver a snidey grand anyway, and if you argue hard enough they'll pipe down.

[Gemmill 47572]

Fuck them. Tell them you'll see them in court, just say she thought it was a golden handshake, and you can't be held responsible for their organisational difficiencies. They wouldn't go to court ver a snidey grand anyway, and if you argue hard enough they'll pipe down.

 

.....is the wrong answer!

[Renton 22650]

Fuck them. Tell them you'll see them in court, just say she thought it was a golden handshake, and you can't be held responsible for their organisational difficiencies. They wouldn't go to court ver a snidey grand anyway, and if you argue hard enough they'll pipe down.

 

I reckon you're completely wrong there like, from my limited experience.

[The Fish 11122]

if it was half the cash then I'd say they'd be more inclined to let it go, but a grand is too large a sum.