the consensus amongst us

[Noelie 103]

With all the talk about top-class managers, Roeder's failings, Shearer etc etc etc I tend to think there are those among us who overlook the fact that success and failure are ever present for anyone, and that success for a manager at one club doesn't mean he will be successful at another. There are many who have done well at certain clubs but failed at others.

I think the amount of talented players at a club have a lot to do with a manager's success unless he is one of those gifted people who can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear like Clough.

Track records are not always the key to success, for instance, O'Neill did well as manager at two clubs but is not doing too well at Aston Villa whereas Roy Keane is doing well in his first job as manager at Blunderland.

And as for Shearer, being an icon, a legend in your own time, a great player, you name it, does not guarantee a success in management as much as I would like to think it did.

For example Wolverhampton player Billy Wright, a bit before your time I think, but he was a legend in his own time, first player to be capped 100 times for England, was captain in 3 world cups, and when he retired became manager of Arsenal. Didn't do too well and was eventually fired and never took another management job.

[Guest alex]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

[Dr Gloom 22499]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

 

let alone the 5th best club in the league

[Asprilla 96]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

To be fair though, either him or Shearer did a pretty much faultless rescue job at the time....it's not as random as it would appear to be that he ended up with the job.

 

 

I also feel that he was never given the job with a view to making us world beaters, I reckon he was seen as a quiet guy who'd not rock the boat and not get us relegated after the Souness debacle.

 

 

That said, I think it's time he went.....

[Guest alex]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

To be fair though, either him or Shearer did a pretty much faultless rescue job at the time....it's not as random as it would appear to be that he ended up with the job.

 

 

I also feel that he was never given the job with a view to making us world beaters, I reckon he was seen as a quiet guy who'd not rock the boat and not get us relegated after the Souness debacle.

 

 

That said, I think it's time he went.....

Aye but why should anyone think that doing a good job at the end of last season - which he did without doubt - gives him the ability to attract players/be competent in the transfer market etc., etc.? You can't ignore the past on the basis that he did a cracking job as caretaker. Well, you can - if your name is Shepherd. Also, the sad thing is, he was doing a good job at the academy and players have said he is a good coach and the club will probably end up losing his talents.

[Asprilla 96]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

To be fair though, either him or Shearer did a pretty much faultless rescue job at the time....it's not as random as it would appear to be that he ended up with the job.

 

 

I also feel that he was never given the job with a view to making us world beaters, I reckon he was seen as a quiet guy who'd not rock the boat and not get us relegated after the Souness debacle.

 

 

That said, I think it's time he went.....

Aye but why should anyone think that doing a good job at the end of last season - which he did without doubt - gives him the ability to attract players/be competent in the transfer market etc., etc.? You can't ignore the past on the basis that he did a cracking job as caretaker. Well, you can - if your name is Shepherd. Also, the sad thing is, he was doing a good job at the academy and players have said he is a good coach and the club will probably end up losing his talents.

 

Like I say, it's time he went and it's unlikely he'd be able to handle going back to the academy having been the big cheese. I don't disagree that he won't attract big name players, although I think had he done a better job this year he would have done. If he had done as well as he did last year we would have easily been in the top 6.

[Dr Gloom 22499]

That said, failure at every club is pretty much Roeder's managerial pedigree. One which shouldn't have been ignored. Hard to think of any Premiership club that would have given him a job as manager, let alone one with lofty ambitions.

To be fair though, either him or Shearer did a pretty much faultless rescue job at the time....it's not as random as it would appear to be that he ended up with the job.

 

 

I also feel that he was never given the job with a view to making us world beaters, I reckon he was seen as a quiet guy who'd not rock the boat and not get us relegated after the Souness debacle.

 

 

That said, I think it's time he went.....

Aye but why should anyone think that doing a good job at the end of last season - which he did without doubt - gives him the ability to attract players/be competent in the transfer market etc., etc.? You can't ignore the past on the basis that he did a cracking job as caretaker. Well, you can - if your name is Shepherd. Also, the sad thing is, he was doing a good job at the academy and players have said he is a good coach and the club will probably end up losing his talents.

 

true. i can't see him hanging around after he's sacked. we should have said thank you very much and given him his old job at the academy back or offreed him a role as an assistant coach under a proven manager

[Guest alex]

The post-Souness 'feel good factor' shouldn't be underestimated either.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

The post-Souness 'feel good factor' shouldn't be underestimated either.

 

Yes, after that cunt i would have been ecstatic to turn up the match and see anyone or anything manage us, the fact that Shearer+Roeder (and its deliberate i've put Shearer first based on what i've seen of Roeder on his own!) did well was always going to give Fat Fred the easy option of using Roeder as a cheap option.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Bayern Munich looked canny last night, anyone know who coaches them? From what I saw, seemed to be some bloke carrying a golf bag.