Gemmill 47003 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. Agreed. He makes a difference, sometimes a big one. It always amazes me that people don't see the difference when he's not playing, and there's no one showing for the ball or creating space for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1280 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. Spot on tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Well he's never lived up to the early potential (or hype). Maybe that's his problem. Not a world-beater but easily one of our better players and makes a big difference (or can make a big difference) to our one-dimensional style of play imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. My comment wasn't really an attack on Dyer, more of me speaking aloud whilst I was thinking about his time with us. Without studying his time at NUFC (my perception is flawed though as I haven't seen as much of him as others) his benefits don't readily spring to mind ima. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. Keiron Dyer As a person I cannot comment as I do not know him. Good luck to lads who earn the big bucks, I always wished woor youngen would get to be one. As a player I can. If you watch him he marks the defender instead of running into space, he pays lip service to closing down the opposition by chasing but not quite getting there in time to tackle. His ball control is terrible, can't seem to trap the ball first touch (ala Nobby) When he runs with it, it never seems to be in control as if he was running with a balloon. He is too lightweight for a lot of positions and not skillful enough for the others. His body language gives the impression he does not care or is scared to get hurt. That is why I do not like Keiron Dyer (amongst others) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Withdraws from the Dyer debate. Later, alligators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I was going to answer that, but I can't be arsed tbh What's the point? We'll never agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 47003 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. Keiron Dyer As a person I cannot comment as I do not know him. Good luck to lads who earn the big bucks, I always wished woor youngen would get to be one. As a player I can. If you watch him he marks the defender instead of running into space, he pays lip service to closing down the opposition by chasing but not quite getting there in time to tackle. His ball control is terrible, can't seem to trap the ball first touch (ala Nobby) When he runs with it, it never seems to be in control as if he was running with a balloon. He is too lightweight for a lot of positions and not skillful enough for the others. His body language gives the impression he does not care or is scared to get hurt. That is why I do not like Keiron Dyer (amongst others) I disagree with pretty much all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Even in Dyer's pomp, apart from running around, what does he bring to the team?? Even in his good old days (few though they have been) he gave virtually no end product. Apart from goals at St Mary's and Goodison, I can't really think of what benefit he's really been. Even when he plays for Engerlund he brings very little. I actually think that running around is a benefit of him and have always liked his style of play. He makes himself available and creates space by unsettling the structure of opposition teams. Of course it would be nice if he had scored more, but this doesn't mean he has contributed nothing to the team. The formula "doesn't score goals"=SHIT is far too simplistic for me. Keiron Dyer As a person I cannot comment as I do not know him. Good luck to lads who earn the big bucks, I always wished woor youngen would get to be one. As a player I can. If you watch him he marks the defender instead of running into space, he pays lip service to closing down the opposition by chasing but not quite getting there in time to tackle. His ball control is terrible, can't seem to trap the ball first touch (ala Nobby) When he runs with it, it never seems to be in control as if he was running with a balloon. He is too lightweight for a lot of positions and not skillful enough for the others. His body language gives the impression he does not care or is scared to get hurt. That is why I do not like Keiron Dyer (amongst others) I disagree with pretty much all of that. Thats ok that is your opinion (and that of many others) it does not make you a bad person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I agree with the Bobster, Dyer is poo poo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Rated by people who know even more about football than people on this board though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22499 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 take dyer out of the side and we are a far poorer outfit. he's not world class but his pace and energy give us a different dimension. i agree with alex - he's definitely one of our better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 take dyer out of the side and we are a far poorer outfit. he's not world class but his pace and energy give us a different dimension. i agree with alex - he's definitely one of our better players So what have we got from Dyer for our outlay and show of faith in him during his many injuries and illnesses?(sp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47003 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 (edited) take dyer out of the side and we are a far poorer outfit. he's not world class but his pace and energy give us a different dimension. i agree with alex - he's definitely one of our better players So what have we got from Dyer for our outlay and show of faith in him during his many injuries and illnesses?(sp) Same as we got from Shearer during his injuries. You can't blame the lad for getting injured, Bobby. Actually, I think you mean what have we got since he returned from injury - he's performed ok. Better than probably 80-90% of the rest of the squad. I don't know what you expect of him? Edited April 3, 2007 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Rated by people who know even more about football than people on this board though. Thats a daft argument though, just because someone like Sir Bobby rates a player it doesn't mean its gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10007 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 take dyer out of the side and we are a far poorer outfit. he's not world class but his pace and energy give us a different dimension. i agree with alex - he's definitely one of our better players So what have we got from Dyer for our outlay and show of faith in him during his many injuries and illnesses?(sp) Certainly not enough and I still don't understand how he earned himself an improved contract. This doesn't mean that he isn't one of our better players who contributes a lot to the team when he is injury-free, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47003 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Rated by people who know even more about football than people on this board though. Thats a daft argument though, just because someone like Sir Bobby rates a player it doesn't mean its gospel. It's probably a better barometer of his ability than Alistair the student from Sheffield though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10007 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Rated by people who know even more about football than people on this board though. Thats a daft argument though, just because someone like Sir Bobby rates a player it doesn't mean its gospel. True. I am actually more confident to be right in my assessment when I know that I don't share your view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Rated by people who know even more about football than people on this board though. Thats a daft argument though, just because someone like Sir Bobby rates a player it doesn't mean its gospel. It's probably a better barometer of his ability than Alistair the student from Sheffield though. Cheeky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 The whole thread's a daft argument. Play Shearer instead of Dyer? FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 The whole thread's a daft argument. Play Shearer instead of Dyer? FFS! I'd forgotten that was even the original argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 The whole thread's a daft argument. Play Shearer instead of Dyer? FFS! I'd forgotten that was even the original argument. I'm a catlyst for in depth debate and discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22499 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 i'd say dyer's been one of our better players this season alongside nobby, given and butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22380 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Have we improved since Dyer came back from injury? No, we haven't, we've got even worse. He's shite, end of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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