Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47364 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? What is so funny about half the league actually being in a relegation battle? Is that really how you would describe the league at the moment? Potentially it's "true" if the entire lower half of the league loses all its matches (which is of course impossible as when they play each other as some will then some must at least draw). But in reality it is not the case at all, only for the most pants on the head hysteria ravings. The fact that one team has to win a game and the other by definition has to lose it doesn't mean that both teams aren't in the battle, does it? Seriously, are you stupid? Look at the table, it is possible we could be relegated yes, it is possible (it's probably possible Blackburn could be, not sure how many points are potentially left). It would require us to basically not pick any points up and whilst everyone else below us is though. If we were in Fulham's position now, it would be a valid issue, but we're not currently. And again I don't think any manager would say anything other than what Roeder has said, it's shooting yourself (and your team) in the foot at this moment. And again with your usual personal attacks I see (I take it that is fine here where as "" is not then? ) Blackburn keep picking up points regularly and aren't a total pushover at home. See the difference? Have you noticed Charlton winning their last two games whilst we lost ours btw? That's why there's only 7 points between us and the relegation zone. Do you understand what would happen if their little run continues? Now do you understand why we could and should be seen as being in something of a relegation battle? It's not rocket science, Fop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 From the viewpoint Fop initially took, I got the impression he thought that we were in a relegation battle but Roeder didn't need to say that. Now he's saying we aren't even in a relegation battle. Unless I've missed something. Not that I'm suggesting he's argumentative enough to contradict himself in the space of two pages or anything. I think we have to win at the moment (or at least pick up points) to avoid it, but I personally don't class us (and 1/2 the league with us) as being in a "relegation battle" at this very moment (we were eariler in the season though). There's only 1 real relegation place up we could end up in unless something amazing happens. However even if Roeder did think we were, it still doesn't make sense to say so in our current position, lose a match or two and everyone else win, yes then it will be the case. Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. smile.gif Yeah but no but yeah but As I said: Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard thing and try to have a go a me personally instead. smile.gif I expect nothing more tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47364 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? What is so funny about half the league actually being in a relegation battle? Is that really how you would describe the league at the moment? Potentially it's "true" if the entire lower half of the league loses all its matches (which is of course impossible as when they play each other as some will then some must at least draw). But in reality it is not the case at all, only for the most pants on the head hysteria ravings. The fact that one team has to win a game and the other by definition has to lose it doesn't mean that both teams aren't in the battle, does it? Seriously, are you stupid? Look at the table, it is possible we could be relegated yes, it is possible (it's probably possible Blackburn could be, not sure how many points are potentially left). It would require us to basically not pick any points up and whilst everyone else below us is though. If we were in Fulham's position now, it would be a valid issue, but we're not currently. And again I don't think any manager would say anything other than what Roeder has said, it's shooting yourself (and your team) in the foot at this moment. And again with your usual personal attacks I see (I take it that is fine here where as "" is not then? ) We need at least 3 points to avoid relegation I reckon. With the way we're playing, the way other teams are playing, and looking at the fixtures, it's possible we won't get another point. If we lose the Easter weekend games, we are right in the shit. Do you seriously think our team have the bottle for a relegation battle? Does Roeder's past record not concern you? Again this is a reason NOT to say "oh no we're fucked, panic, panic, panic, we're doomed, we're doomed heeeellllpppp........" Point us all in the direction of the post where someone said he should say that please. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that As I said you lose the argument and so attack the person, time and time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47364 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Sour grapes all over the shop here btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 How can I refute your opinion? Is that the basis of your argument? I.e. 'prove me wrong'. Jesus wept! I can't prove you wrong anymore than you can prove me wrong. We disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? What is so funny about half the league actually being in a relegation battle? Is that really how you would describe the league at the moment? Potentially it's "true" if the entire lower half of the league loses all its matches (which is of course impossible as when they play each other as some will then some must at least draw). But in reality it is not the case at all, only for the most pants on the head hysteria ravings. The fact that one team has to win a game and the other by definition has to lose it doesn't mean that both teams aren't in the battle, does it? Seriously, are you stupid? Look at the table, it is possible we could be relegated yes, it is possible (it's probably possible Blackburn could be, not sure how many points are potentially left). It would require us to basically not pick any points up and whilst everyone else below us is though. If we were in Fulham's position now, it would be a valid issue, but we're not currently. And again I don't think any manager would say anything other than what Roeder has said, it's shooting yourself (and your team) in the foot at this moment. And again with your usual personal attacks I see (I take it that is fine here where as "" is not then? ) We need at least 3 points to avoid relegation I reckon. With the way we're playing, the way other teams are playing, and looking at the fixtures, it's possible we won't get another point. If we lose the Easter weekend games, we are right in the shit. Do you seriously think our team have the bottle for a relegation battle? Does Roeder's past record not concern you? I think that's about right. Three points should see us safe. The fixtures on the last day will help with Liverpool and Man Utd taking Charlton and West Ham. If Watford are already down by that point then it shouldn't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Obviously it is Ifs, Buts and Maybes but having played Charlton and City in the last couple of weeks I fancy Charlton to beat City on Friday night. If we are going into a match against Sheff Utd on Saturday only 4 points away from 18th that fucking idiot Roeder and the players better realise they will be in a relegation battle. Fuck knows if this was the attitude he took the year he went down with West Ham but both him and the players better get their act together or we are fucked.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that As I said you lose the argument and so attack the person, time and time and time again. Are you serious? I admit I've called you boring and argumentative. Irrefutable tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? What is so funny about half the league actually being in a relegation battle? Is that really how you would describe the league at the moment? Potentially it's "true" if the entire lower half of the league loses all its matches (which is of course impossible as when they play each other as some will then some must at least draw). But in reality it is not the case at all, only for the most pants on the head hysteria ravings. The fact that one team has to win a game and the other by definition has to lose it doesn't mean that both teams aren't in the battle, does it? Seriously, are you stupid? Look at the table, it is possible we could be relegated yes, it is possible (it's probably possible Blackburn could be, not sure how many points are potentially left). It would require us to basically not pick any points up and whilst everyone else below us is though. If we were in Fulham's position now, it would be a valid issue, but we're not currently. And again I don't think any manager would say anything other than what Roeder has said, it's shooting yourself (and your team) in the foot at this moment. And again with your usual personal attacks I see (I take it that is fine here where as "" is not then? ) Blackburn keep picking up points regularly and aren't a total pushover at home. See the difference? Have you noticed Charlton winning their last two games whilst we lost ours btw? That's why there's only 7 points between us and the relegation zone. Do you understand what would happen if their little run continues? Now do you understand why we could and should be seen as being in something of a relegation battle? It's not rocket science, Fop. Indeed it is not (and it's not a just a case of Newcastle vs. Charlton as the hysteria in here suggests - half the league is in that "relegation battle" with us ). And as I said if we lose the next two games and others win and if Roeder THEN says what he said NOW the comments in this thread would make fair points. But unless this board is full of Mystic Meg's offspring I'm fairly sure it hasn't happened yet, and castigating him for something that hasn't happened is bizarre IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I fail to see how a team who hasn't scored for over 6 hours ISN'T in a relegation fight. Actually, the word "fight" is a really poor choice when talking about NUFC at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? Are you gunning for the "Most Annoying Newcomer" award this year or something? No offence like, but you're acting like a proper fucking tit. The laughing smilies after patently unfunny comments are a big no-no btw. We're 7 points off relegation, and we can't win a game for fucking toffee, at home or away. Other teams may have momentum on their side, we don't. Are you really as fucking dense as you're making out? Given the personal attacks you repeatedly make learn to take a few emoticons. Given the obnoxious and ridiculous stances you consistently take on here, learn to take the personal attacks. I'm not the one whinging about it, I'm just pointing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that As I said you lose the argument and so attack the person, time and time and time again. Are you serious? I admit I've called you boring and argumentative. Irrefutable tbh. Yep that's what I've just said, you lose the arguement and start on the person instead, you do it loads tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm very interested in the "right" answer to this, although I don't believe there is one. I've just given you it. It's fairly obvious to me. "Yes, with 7 points between us and the relegation zone, you would have to say we're being sucked into a relegation battle and we need to pull ourselves clear before things get any worse." He's fooling nobody (except you, it seems ) by saying that we aren't. We're currently 11th so that mean HALF THE LEAGUE IS IN A RELEGATION BATTLE!!!!!! Yes lose a few more and we may genuinely BE in a relegation battle (which would be a good reason to BOOST morale not DESTROY it I'd have thought - maddness I know ) Are you really saying "half the league is in a relegation battle"? Are you gunning for the "Most Annoying Newcomer" award this year or something? No offence like, but you're acting like a proper fucking tit. The laughing smilies after patently unfunny comments are a big no-no btw. We're 7 points off relegation, and we can't win a game for fucking toffee, at home or away. Other teams may have momentum on their side, we don't. Are you really as fucking dense as you're making out? Given the personal attacks you repeatedly make learn to take a few emoticons. Given the obnoxious and ridiculous stances you consistently take on here, learn to take the personal attacks. I'm not the one whinging about it, I'm just pointing it out. Bit like Glenn Roeder. Talking about injuries by saying he doesn't talk about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that As I said you lose the argument and so attack the person, time and time and time again. Are you serious? I admit I've called you boring and argumentative. Irrefutable tbh. Yep that's what I've just said, you lose the arguement and start on the person instead, you do it loads tbh. And you're insisting you've won an argument regardless. True to form. The reason I haven't 'proved you wrong' is - I can't. In my opinion we are in a relegation dog fight, you disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22597 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Agree. The last thing you want when you are in this position is a manager like Roeder, he hasn't got the courage or intelligence to change things. And being blase about our situation is tantamount to suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Agree. The last thing you want when you are in this position is a manager like Roeder, he hasn't got the courage or intelligence to change things. And being blase about our situation is tantamount to suicide. Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Yep as I said and have said before his ability to motivate the team this season is pretty shocking (although to a certain degree the team has to look at itself for this as well - he isn't a madman like Guillet). But to suggest he therefore simply stops talking to the media or even that he'd be allowed to do so is just silly. And again this is what I mean, his "playing for their future" thing hasn't really worked, but then what WILL if even that won't? Should he have NOT done it? Should he have done it earlier? Should he have paid off their contracts and kicked them out and played with even fewer players? I'm at a loss to suggest what the "right" course of action is for players like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Oh and I notice (as usual) that as you can't refute what I say you do the standard then and try to have a go a me personally instead. Err, I've got a different opinion on what Roeder should say. And I called you argumentative - now try and refute that As I said you lose the argument and so attack the person, time and time and time again. Are you serious? I admit I've called you boring and argumentative. Irrefutable tbh. Yep that's what I've just said, you lose the arguement and start on the person instead, you do it loads tbh. And you're insisting you've won an argument regardless. True to form. The reason I haven't 'proved you wrong' is - I can't. In my opinion we are in a relegation dog fight, you disagree. That wasn't what we were disagreeing about until you tried to MAKE it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 To be honest, I reckon he could do a lot worse than closing the doors, shutting the media out and getting on with his main job. I couldn't give a flyingn fuck whether there was an interview with one player or other in every edition of the Chronicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Agree. The last thing you want when you are in this position is a manager like Roeder, he hasn't got the courage or intelligence to change things. And being blase about our situation is tantamount to suicide. Again I wouldn't call what he said "blasé", positive yes, a bit too positive? Maybe. And I still believe no answer would be an acceptable answer here (even genuinely no answer at all al la McClaren). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 To be honest, I reckon he could do a lot worse than closing the doors, shutting the media out and getting on with his main job. I couldn't give a flyingn fuck whether there was an interview with one player or other in every edition of the Chronicle. He could (assuming that he'd be allowed to do so by the powers in the club and indeed by contractual obligations), but then what sort of a message is that sending out, and would it really help the team perform? It'd also be back to the Newcastle soap opera media circus days and open up a frenzy of media interest itself. Some of the comments he makes maybe it would be better, but this comment on this situation he’s really said nothing wrong or out of the ordinary and nothing most any other manager wouldn’t have said in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22597 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think Roeder has very little reserves of inner strength you can see by his body language and his inability to inluence matches from the touchline. Without wanting to be alarmist he really is the worst person to have in charge if we get into a survival battle. And a survival battle it certainly will be. Our debt is running at £80m and we are losing money monthly...If we fall out of the PL that will be the end of us for a decade. Roeder needs to stop all this media leaked patter and roll his sleaves up. I am worried because the 'the players playing for their future' (his first strategy) hasn't worked and there are one or two good senior players who will be considering if they can really be arsed with all this in the summer. We are at THE crossroads all ths signs are there and this is no time to be blase. There I've said it. Agree. The last thing you want when you are in this position is a manager like Roeder, he hasn't got the courage or intelligence to change things. And being blase about our situation is tantamount to suicide. Again I wouldn't call what he said "blasé", positive yes, a bit too positive? Maybe. And I still believe no answer would be an acceptable answer here (even genuinely no answer at all al la McClaren). An acceptable answer to me would be: a) Say nothing, or b ) Admit we have a problem and stress how vital it is to take it seriously. And apologise for the state we're in. He hasn't done either. And claiming that in the home leg of the AZ game we played our best football in years makes him look like an even bigger tit, as is stating the fucking obvious that teams below us have less points. Not impressed by the implied criticism of the fans either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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