The Cull.

[Baggio 0]

The only problem I have with Houllier is that he is getting on a bit now. 60?

 

It depends on how long you think he'll be here, if he was to stay first team manager until he was 65 before moving upstairs he'd still have plenty of time to sort this club out, in his 5 years at Liverpool he finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th as well as picking up 5 trophies on the way.

 

We wouldn't be moving him upstairs for the sake of it either as he knows football inside out, he was the technical director with the French football association when they went on to win the World cup and was credited with a lot of their success, he was also the first manager (I think) to introduce a skills coach into his coaching set up to work on players technique.

 

That's without even mentioning the sort of players he turned Owen and Gerrard into.

 

I'm sold.

 

What we really need is a Houllierforthetoon website.

[Dr Gloom 22492]

i'd like to see any cull at the club starting with the chairman and manager

[Fop 1]

The only problem I have with Houllier is that he is getting on a bit now. 60?

 

It depends on how long you think he'll be here, if he was to stay first team manager until he was 65 before moving upstairs he'd still have plenty of time to sort this club out, in his 5 years at Liverpool he finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th as well as picking up 5 trophies on the way.

 

We wouldn't be moving him upstairs for the sake of it either as he knows football inside out, he was the technical director with the French football association when they went on to win the World cup and was credited with a lot of their success, he was also the first manager (I think) to introduce a skills coach into his coaching set up to work on players technique.

 

That's without even mentioning the sort of players he turned Owen and Gerrard into.

 

 

We could do an awful lot worse than Houllier......... but the question is could Houllier do worse than Newcastle?

[Baggio 0]

The only problem I have with Houllier is that he is getting on a bit now. 60?

 

It depends on how long you think he'll be here, if he was to stay first team manager until he was 65 before moving upstairs he'd still have plenty of time to sort this club out, in his 5 years at Liverpool he finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th as well as picking up 5 trophies on the way.

 

We wouldn't be moving him upstairs for the sake of it either as he knows football inside out, he was the technical director with the French football association when they went on to win the World cup and was credited with a lot of their success, he was also the first manager (I think) to introduce a skills coach into his coaching set up to work on players technique.

 

That's without even mentioning the sort of players he turned Owen and Gerrard into.

 

 

We could do an awful lot worse than Houllier......... but the question is could Houllier do worse than Newcastle?

 

I think he would come here, I remember back last season after Souness had been sacked that Houllier was on the BBC talking about how he would love to come back to manage in England, he said it was like a second home to him, he also got asked if he would be interested in the Newcastle job before Lyon played Milan in the CL and he smiled before saying "we'll see" or something along those lines.

 

The Lyon job is just too easy for him now, apart from winning the CL there isn't alot more he can achieve with them.

[Greg 6]

The only problem I have with Houllier is that he is getting on a bit now. 60?

 

It depends on how long you think he'll be here, if he was to stay first team manager until he was 65 before moving upstairs he'd still have plenty of time to sort this club out, in his 5 years at Liverpool he finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th as well as picking up 5 trophies on the way.

 

We wouldn't be moving him upstairs for the sake of it either as he knows football inside out, he was the technical director with the French football association when they went on to win the World cup and was credited with a lot of their success, he was also the first manager (I think) to introduce a skills coach into his coaching set up to work on players technique.

 

That's without even mentioning the sort of players he turned Owen and Gerrard into.

 

 

We could do an awful lot worse than Houllier......... but the question is could Houllier do worse than Newcastle?

 

I think he would come here, I remember back last season after Souness had been sacked that Houllier was on the BBC talking about how he would love to come back to manage in England, he said it was like a second home to him, he also got asked if he would be interested in the Newcastle job before Lyon played Milan in the CL and he smiled before saying "we'll see" or something along those lines.

 

The Lyon job is just too easy for him now, apart from winning the CL there isn't alot more he can achieve with them.

 

I was sure he was our next manager after Sir Bobby Robson, I thought it was nailed on. I bumped into him in the bar at the Marriott hotel next to the Metro Centre not long after Sir Bobby had been fired and spoke to him for 5 minutes, he refused to talk about his future but happily talked about his time at Liverpool. Then Shepherd went and appointed Souness!

[Steve 0]

The Lyon job is just too easy for him now, apart from winning the CL there isn't alot more he can achieve with them.

 

Which is incentive enough for him to stay on.

 

Who in their right mind would leave a team that is the best in their country and is guaranteed Champs League football to come to Newcastle? The challenge of winning the CL will be incentive enough for Houllier to stay on there, despite how much money is thrown at him. You guys really are deluded to think that ANY of the managers mentioned in this thread would leave their current positions to come to a mid-table team that has a chairman renowned for not wanting foreigners.

[Baggio 0]

The Lyon job is just too easy for him now, apart from winning the CL there isn't alot more he can achieve with them.

 

Which is incentive enough for him to stay on.

 

Who in their right mind would leave a team that is the best in their country and is guaranteed Champs League football to come to Newcastle? The challenge of winning the CL will be incentive enough for Houllier to stay on there, despite how much money is thrown at him. You guys really are deluded to think that ANY of the managers mentioned in this thread would leave their current positions to come to a mid-table team that has a chairman renowned for not wanting foreigners.

 

I don't think it's deluded at all, Le Guen could have stayed at Lyon and tried for the CL but left to join Rangers in Scotland, Houllier has spoken about wanting to return to manage in England, he's not in a position where a top 4 team is going to come in for him so he'll have to look further down the list.

 

I'd say we have every chance of getting him to come here.

[tinofbeans 91]

the trouble with employing any decent manager is the shower of shit that runs the club.

 

newcastle united is the only place in world football where the accounts are on the back of fray bentos wrappers in crayon.

 

any decent manager needs to be allowed to use the players they want to fit with their tactical system and its meddling like this that should cost chelsea the premiership because the manager did not want shevchenko.... for example... our boss currently clearly has favourite players that rarely perform and should be dropped, yet he displays all the spine of an invertebrate.

 

currently with fat fred at the helm we will not get a decent manager.... at all.

[Ketsbaia 0]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

 

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

[Park Life 71]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

 

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

 

...a lot of people say this and I understand it..But it is a risk we have to take, the alternative is unthinkable ie Roeder stays the full 2 years.

[Guest alex]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

[Park Life 71]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

[Guest alex]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

Edited April 2, 2007 by alex

[David Kelly 1280]

Tbh we need a complete restructuring of the club like the makems have had.

The last four seasons have been completely shite taking a champions league team and making them look more like a championship club.

There is no leadership anywhere in the club and the fans are getting totally pissed off. There is no atmosphere in the ground any more and is getting more and more difficult to fill the place.

Unless something drastic happens you will see a lot more people not renewing their tickets next season. If Roeder is still manager and we have not signed at least two top class players that everyone knows by the time the renewals are due I think we will be looking nearer to 40000 crowds than 52000.

[East Stander 0]

Fatman is the main problem here. For as long as him and his son rule and veto the transfer policy, we'll never get another proven manager to come here. At least the fat git had the bottle to stay in his seat on Saturday and not run away like superfan Kenneth did as soon as they scored.

[Ketsbaia 0]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

[Guest alex]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

Aye. Probably knows he might not have much money to spend either.

[Fop 1]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

 

Maybe the BBC thing might change things a bit, but even with his licence and without other jobs I dunno that he'd be daft enough to come back.

 

On the one hand it must be a pull to try it, but on the other he has a LOT to lose if it doesn't go well (and even if he IS a great manager that doesn't guarantee things would go well).

[sniffer 0]

Lets face it, just about anybody sounds good at the moment.

[Park Life 71]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

 

Maybe the BBC thing might change things a bit, but even with his licence and without other jobs I dunno that he'd be daft enough to come back.

 

On the one hand it must be a pull to try it, but on the other he has a LOT to lose if it doesn't go well (and even if he IS a great manager that doesn't guarantee things would go well).

 

Felix Magath has been saying he wants to try his hand at the PL. Available.

[Isegrim 9996]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

 

Maybe the BBC thing might change things a bit, but even with his licence and without other jobs I dunno that he'd be daft enough to come back.

 

On the one hand it must be a pull to try it, but on the other he has a LOT to lose if it doesn't go well (and even if he IS a great manager that doesn't guarantee things would go well).

 

Felix Magath has been saying he wants to try his hand at the PL. Available.

I would rather appoint Howard Wilkinson.

Edited April 6, 2007 by Isegrim

[Park Life 71]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

 

Maybe the BBC thing might change things a bit, but even with his licence and without other jobs I dunno that he'd be daft enough to come back.

 

On the one hand it must be a pull to try it, but on the other he has a LOT to lose if it doesn't go well (and even if he IS a great manager that doesn't guarantee things would go well).

 

Felix Magath has been saying he wants to try his hand at the PL. Available.

I would rather appoint Howard Wilkinson.

 

[Isegrim 9996]

I want Roeder to go but I have no faith in the Fat Man to bring in anyone of quality. I also doubt that anyone of quality will want to come in, knowing that if they don't bring us success quickly Freddy will have them out of the job within a year or two.

Unless Freddy decides he's had enough and opts out I dread to think what state this club will be in in a few seasons.

And therein lies the problem. We just aren't an attractive proposition to the right sort of manager anymore.

 

...I personally don't really beleive that (or don't want to)..The right man is out there, it's just that we don't seem to look properly.

I think the last bit is also true which makes my previous post a bit of pointless point to make really. Best hope we've got is Shearer imo and I find it hard to believe I'm actually saying that now.

 

Shearer's not daft, i'd be suprised if he'd walk into the job when we're in this position with Freddy as Chairman.

 

Maybe the BBC thing might change things a bit, but even with his licence and without other jobs I dunno that he'd be daft enough to come back.

 

On the one hand it must be a pull to try it, but on the other he has a LOT to lose if it doesn't go well (and even if he IS a great manager that doesn't guarantee things would go well).

 

Felix Magath has been saying he wants to try his hand at the PL. Available.

I would rather appoint Howard Wilkinson.

 

I don't rate Magath at all. A manager whose ideas and methods got stuck somewhere in the 70s/80s.

[Gordie the Geordie 0]

For me I would have Roeder out this week, but I am aware of the 'voices of reason' saying end of season and perhaps they have a point. My main worry is that if Roeder isn't sent packing now FS won't start looking for another manager till the summer and probably leave it too late as usual.

 

On a side issue all this waiting for Shearer lark which is the worst kept secret plan 'A'..doesn't really bear up as he hasn't even finished his 'A' badge yet to go for the Uefa Pro 'B' license..So I'm esitmating Shearer is two years away at least.

 

Out now or wait till later?

Big Al was asked the question at the Fed about taking over and he said it was,nt the right time for him, he still had stuff he wanted to do, but he said possibly sometime in the future .

[Fop 1]

For me I would have Roeder out this week, but I am aware of the 'voices of reason' saying end of season and perhaps they have a point. My main worry is that if Roeder isn't sent packing now FS won't start looking for another manager till the summer and probably leave it too late as usual.

 

On a side issue all this waiting for Shearer lark which is the worst kept secret plan 'A'..doesn't really bear up as he hasn't even finished his 'A' badge yet to go for the Uefa Pro 'B' license..So I'm esitmating Shearer is two years away at least.

 

Out now or wait till later?

Big Al was asked the question at the Fed about taking over and he said it was,nt the right time for him, he still had stuff he wanted to do, but he said possibly sometime in the future .

 

 

Which probably means when the other avenues of money spinning have dried up or at least died down and Newcastle are in a better position (or much worse maybe) than at the moment he might considered it.

 

He's got pretty much everything to lose presently with not much to realisitically gain (even if he was qualified in all the badges and such nonsense) from trying to do it now.

 

Frankly I think most any manager would have to have slightly suicidal tendancies to come to Newcastle.