Renton 22437 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 What did you mean by prohibition btw? Just in public places? Hope I'm not coming across like that (probably am), but I'm not on a massive downer about individual smokers, I just think the pub ban will benefit everyone. In Scotland, a lot of people have reported it has helped them give up. Apparently the Bingo halls have suffered worst like, not that I'm remotely bothered by that. I think Luke had a point though, when you have to study the effects of smoking the habit just looks like complete madness. It's amazing how many smokers think "it won't happen to me" though, yet still reckon they will win the lottery. And let's be honest, smoking doesn't give you much in terms of pleasure, for most people who are addicted it is simply a need to satisfy a craving, which strikes me as being pretty pointless. Unlike alcohol and other drugs. You could argue that drinking is just as pointless as smoking tbh, only far more expensive. You probably could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Anyone know if there is much difference between smoking roll ups and ordinary cigarettes? I'd heard that roll ups were less damaging as they don't contain the chemicals used in pre-rolled to keep the cigarette lit. I reckon roll-ups with a filter would be safer than normal tabs. Correct. Get filters with charcoal inside which are amazing how much shit they take out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I love both, just smacks of hypocrisy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11080 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 see there's the thing for me, the "high" you get from cigarettes doesn't come cloe to the "high" you get from alcohol imo. I smoked when I was a kid and thought it was cool, although I wouldn't say that I was a "smoker". I'm lucky that I didn't smoke as many and that the people that I knocked about with didn't really smoke that much. But l look back and cannot for the life of me remember taking a draw and thinking anything but "God this is awful" I didn't experience any kind of hit, and couldn't understand when people took a long draw then released with a look of pleasure. Yes the first pint I had was pretty rank as well, but I can think of countless times where a cool lager on a hot day has been great, or a nice vodka just sliding gently down, evena good bottle of wine complimenting a meal... I just cannot see what the cigarette gives you, so when people bang on about how drinking is the same as smoking (in that regard)I just can't understand it. Any way, at the end of the day, your right to smoke should not impinge my right to live my life free of noxious fumes. If the government can get some money off you and less off me, then all the better. I know smokers whine on that they've got a right to smoke, but how much of it is choice and how much is simply the addiction? Whats the process with other addicitions? you don't agree they've a right to do whatever they like, you ween them off whatever it is that's harming them and others around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I was kidding really. And I agree with the bit in bold. I have the occasional tab still when I drink but I probably smoke about 1-2 a month, if that. They wouldn't be as 'bad' imo if you got more out of them but they do just satisfy a craving. I wish wor lass would give up. She reckons I should smoke less weed and drink less though and she has a point. So how many 'weed' tabs would you say you smoke a week? This always confuses me, the number of dope smokers who say they dont smoke because they dont go out and buy 20 Regals. Dont you make your smokes by using tobacco and mixing it with grass? As a non-smoker myself I say burn them, burn all the smokers!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22437 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 As a non-smoker myself I say burn them, burn all the smokers!!!!! Glad to hear you're still on the "wagon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radgina 1 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 As a non-smoker myself I say burn them, burn all the smokers!!!!! Glad to hear you're still on the "wagon". sad fuck that he is sure I will "turn him" on our next afternoon out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Could say the same about drinking tbh With two major differences: Despite now only 25% or so of people who are smokers (compared to how many who drink?), the burden smoking caused on the NHS is far, far higher than for drinking. It is amajor cause of stroke, heart attack, lung cancer, and literally dozens of other diseases. Have you ever heard of passive drinking? Not saying alcohol doesn't cause major problems, but you can't really compare it to smoking. Drink-driving, alcohol related abuse/violence. I'm not too fussed about the ban tbh, but smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £1.5bn, smoking revenue is £7bn http://www.nosmokingday.org.uk/downloads/s...oppingfacts.pdf This has the numbers different. it deifferentiates between £8,000 million and £1.5 Billion. http://www.sunblock99.org.uk/sb99/people/J...nd/ji_bill.html This site explains an american billion is 1000,000,000 and a british billion is 1,000,000,000,000 Now I am not saying that is definitely the case here but is does cast a shadow on Forests figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. Sweeping generalisations \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. But that would be an exception not a generalising fact. Look at the uproar from the smokers at the announcement at the smoking ban. And those that continue to flaunt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Nothing more ridiculous than some nutter chuntering about 'clean air' while tramping the smog of some innter city... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Nothing more ridiculous than some nutter chuntering about 'clean air' while tramping the smog of some innter city... Nothing more ridiculous than those that equate needing to work in a populated area with wanting to be able to eat in a restaurant or drink in a pub without breathing in the poisonous fumes of an activity which has no benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. But that would be an exception not a generalising fact. Look at the uproar from the smokers at the announcement at the smoking ban. And those that continue to flaunt it. Sorry? What would be the exception? I don't understand the point you're making. Also, most of the 'uproar' has come from pressure groups with vested interests rather than individual smokers imo. Like I said, some are selfish but you suggested no one is more selfish than a smoker. I agree with the ban though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Nothing more ridiculous than some nutter chuntering about 'clean air' while tramping the smog of some innter city... Nothing more ridiculous than those that equate needing to work in a populated area with wanting to be able to eat in a restaurant or drink in a pub without breathing in the poisonous fumes of an activity which has no benefits. Oh yes the re-cycled flu ridden, throat bug culture sodden 'air' in the pub is like rocky mountain stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. But that would be an exception not a generalising fact. Look at the uproar from the smokers at the announcement at the smoking ban. And those that continue to flaunt it. Sorry? What would be the exception? I don't understand the point you're making. Also, most of the 'uproar' has come from pressure groups with vested interests rather than individual smokers imo. Like I said, some are selfish but you suggested no one is more selfish than a smoker. I agree with the ban though. You said that a smoker would be the same as a none smoker with a gas guzzling car. Therefore saying that all non smokers have a gas guzzling car. That is what would be an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks Absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Nothing more ridiculous than some nutter chuntering about 'clean air' while tramping the smog of some innter city... Nothing more ridiculous than those that equate needing to work in a populated area with wanting to be able to eat in a restaurant or drink in a pub without breathing in the poisonous fumes of an activity which has no benefits. Nothing more ridiculous than a generalisation tbh. My lass smokes and she doesn't have a problem with the ban so, with regard to this (and in general as it happens), she isn't a selfish person at all. I don't know how many smokers you know but I know a few and I really can't imagine any of them lighting up in pubs and restaurants after the ban as they don't smoke in places they aren't allowed to already. Also, my friend in Edinburgh told me that the ban has gone down well there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. But that would be an exception not a generalising fact. Look at the uproar from the smokers at the announcement at the smoking ban. And those that continue to flaunt it. Sorry? What would be the exception? I don't understand the point you're making. Also, most of the 'uproar' has come from pressure groups with vested interests rather than individual smokers imo. Like I said, some are selfish but you suggested no one is more selfish than a smoker. I agree with the ban though. You said that a smoker would be the same as a none smoker with a gas guzzling car. Therefore saying that all non smokers have a gas guzzling car. That is what would be an exception. How did you work that out from what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47121 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Alex and Parky BLINDED by their own selfishness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 In only bothers me in Restaurants to be honest. Nowt worse than people tabbing when you're trying to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4087 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No-one uses the "old style" billion anymore tbh. Do you think Abramovic has £10,000,000,000,000 in the bank? This would make him 200 times richer than Bill Gates. Doubt it tbh If you read all of what I said I don't actually think that. All I know is you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker. What a load of bollocks absolutely true. All think that their right to smoke outweighs everyone else's right to clean air. Even if that were true, which it isn't, how would that make them any more selfish than a non-smoker who owned a massive gas guzzler of a car or any number of equally or more selfish individuals. If you'd said some smokers are very selfish, you'd be right. To state "you don't get anyone more selfish than a smoker" is totally preposterous. But that would be an exception not a generalising fact. Look at the uproar from the smokers at the announcement at the smoking ban. And those that continue to flaunt it. Sorry? What would be the exception? I don't understand the point you're making. Also, most of the 'uproar' has come from pressure groups with vested interests rather than individual smokers imo. Like I said, some are selfish but you suggested no one is more selfish than a smoker. I agree with the ban though. You said that a smoker would be the same as a none smoker with a gas guzzling car. Therefore saying that all non smokers have a gas guzzling car. That is what would be an exception. How did you work that out from what I said? You say smokers are no more selfish than a non smoker with a gas guzzling car. All Smokers smoke and this is bad. Not all none smokers do bad stuff. Is that clearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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