sammynb 3507 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I very much doubt anything you are saying is true, mainly because it would be out in the open already. Why skol? Because nothing has happened? It's a well known fact that Ferrari as Craig pointed out, have been getting away with things for years that others would be taken to the wall for. You know the reason the electronic driving systems were reintroduced was because it was near impossible to control. So imagine if Nigel Stepney offers up the proof that Ferrari were cheating all those years. Here if you don't believe me - from http://www.f1technical.net/articles/7 After a long period during which traction control was banned, the FIA decided to re-allow its use at the start of the 2001 season (as of the Spanish GP because the smaller teams requested a delay to get more time for developing their systems) as it was becoming increasingly difficult to prove that ECUs (Engine Control Units) were not being used to replicate traction control functions. The ban in the mid 1990s was introduced because of safety measures to reduce speed, and motivated by the idea that since traction control is quite easy to achieve it would therefore also be easy to spot. To prevent engine mappings adjusted for traction control, the FIA had to check every teams' software. It appeared an impossible task as the 3 FIA experts were unable to review software written by every team independently and often with up to 10 people working on the system. A rumour from the time claims that some team had the idea of using the pressure in the airbox as a reference for the car's speed. The FIA experts failed to spot that such a pressure meter was used not for telemetry but rather for traction control. When they worked this out, the FIA banned air pressure compensation but obviously a lot of other possibilities were there for grabs. So yeah it must not be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 I very much doubt anything you are saying is true, mainly because it would be out in the open already. Why skol? Because nothing has happened? It's a well known fact that Ferrari as Craig pointed out, have been getting away with things for years that others would be taken to the wall for. You know the reason the electronic driving systems were reintroduced was because it was near impossible to control. So imagine if Nigel Stepney offers up the proof that Ferrari were cheating all those years. Here if you don't believe me - from http://www.f1technical.net/articles/7 After a long period during which traction control was banned, the FIA decided to re-allow its use at the start of the 2001 season (as of the Spanish GP because the smaller teams requested a delay to get more time for developing their systems) as it was becoming increasingly difficult to prove that ECUs (Engine Control Units) were not being used to replicate traction control functions. The ban in the mid 1990s was introduced because of safety measures to reduce speed, and motivated by the idea that since traction control is quite easy to achieve it would therefore also be easy to spot. To prevent engine mappings adjusted for traction control, the FIA had to check every teams' software. It appeared an impossible task as the 3 FIA experts were unable to review software written by every team independently and often with up to 10 people working on the system. A rumour from the time claims that some team had the idea of using the pressure in the airbox as a reference for the car's speed. The FIA experts failed to spot that such a pressure meter was used not for telemetry but rather for traction control. When they worked this out, the FIA banned air pressure compensation but obviously a lot of other possibilities were there for grabs. So yeah it must not be true! No specific mention of Ferrari though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3507 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I very much doubt anything you are saying is true, mainly because it would be out in the open already. Why skol? Because nothing has happened? It's a well known fact that Ferrari as Craig pointed out, have been getting away with things for years that others would be taken to the wall for. You know the reason the electronic driving systems were reintroduced was because it was near impossible to control. So imagine if Nigel Stepney offers up the proof that Ferrari were cheating all those years. Here if you don't believe me - from http://www.f1technical.net/articles/7 After a long period during which traction control was banned, the FIA decided to re-allow its use at the start of the 2001 season (as of the Spanish GP because the smaller teams requested a delay to get more time for developing their systems) as it was becoming increasingly difficult to prove that ECUs (Engine Control Units) were not being used to replicate traction control functions. The ban in the mid 1990s was introduced because of safety measures to reduce speed, and motivated by the idea that since traction control is quite easy to achieve it would therefore also be easy to spot. To prevent engine mappings adjusted for traction control, the FIA had to check every teams' software. It appeared an impossible task as the 3 FIA experts were unable to review software written by every team independently and often with up to 10 people working on the system. A rumour from the time claims that some team had the idea of using the pressure in the airbox as a reference for the car's speed. The FIA experts failed to spot that such a pressure meter was used not for telemetry but rather for traction control. When they worked this out, the FIA banned air pressure compensation but obviously a lot of other possibilities were there for grabs. So yeah it must not be true! No specific mention of Ferrari though So I'm still telling untruths? Come on Skol be a man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 I very much doubt anything you are saying is true, mainly because it would be out in the open already. Why skol? Because nothing has happened? It's a well known fact that Ferrari as Craig pointed out, have been getting away with things for years that others would be taken to the wall for. You know the reason the electronic driving systems were reintroduced was because it was near impossible to control. So imagine if Nigel Stepney offers up the proof that Ferrari were cheating all those years. Here if you don't believe me - from http://www.f1technical.net/articles/7 After a long period during which traction control was banned, the FIA decided to re-allow its use at the start of the 2001 season (as of the Spanish GP because the smaller teams requested a delay to get more time for developing their systems) as it was becoming increasingly difficult to prove that ECUs (Engine Control Units) were not being used to replicate traction control functions. The ban in the mid 1990s was introduced because of safety measures to reduce speed, and motivated by the idea that since traction control is quite easy to achieve it would therefore also be easy to spot. To prevent engine mappings adjusted for traction control, the FIA had to check every teams' software. It appeared an impossible task as the 3 FIA experts were unable to review software written by every team independently and often with up to 10 people working on the system. A rumour from the time claims that some team had the idea of using the pressure in the airbox as a reference for the car's speed. The FIA experts failed to spot that such a pressure meter was used not for telemetry but rather for traction control. When they worked this out, the FIA banned air pressure compensation but obviously a lot of other possibilities were there for grabs. So yeah it must not be true! No specific mention of Ferrari though So I'm still telling untruths? Come on Skol be a man! I don't know for sure and neither do you, i'm not saying categorically that they haven't but you've given me no real evidence that they have done wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3507 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I very much doubt anything you are saying is true, mainly because it would be out in the open already. Why skol? Because nothing has happened? It's a well known fact that Ferrari as Craig pointed out, have been getting away with things for years that others would be taken to the wall for. You know the reason the electronic driving systems were reintroduced was because it was near impossible to control. So imagine if Nigel Stepney offers up the proof that Ferrari were cheating all those years. Here if you don't believe me - from http://www.f1technical.net/articles/7 After a long period during which traction control was banned, the FIA decided to re-allow its use at the start of the 2001 season (as of the Spanish GP because the smaller teams requested a delay to get more time for developing their systems) as it was becoming increasingly difficult to prove that ECUs (Engine Control Units) were not being used to replicate traction control functions. The ban in the mid 1990s was introduced because of safety measures to reduce speed, and motivated by the idea that since traction control is quite easy to achieve it would therefore also be easy to spot. To prevent engine mappings adjusted for traction control, the FIA had to check every teams' software. It appeared an impossible task as the 3 FIA experts were unable to review software written by every team independently and often with up to 10 people working on the system. A rumour from the time claims that some team had the idea of using the pressure in the airbox as a reference for the car's speed. The FIA experts failed to spot that such a pressure meter was used not for telemetry but rather for traction control. When they worked this out, the FIA banned air pressure compensation but obviously a lot of other possibilities were there for grabs. So yeah it must not be true! No specific mention of Ferrari though So I'm still telling untruths? Come on Skol be a man! I don't know for sure and neither do you, i'm not saying categorically that they haven't but you've given me no real evidence that they have done wrong. And at an educated guess here in lies why Nigel Stepney is currently being accused of something but nothing specific - it's all good PR. You're not that naive are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Its a shame its come to this. Stepney has done good work for the Scuderia for most of the last decade but was unhappy at the re-shuffle after Ross Brawn took his sabbatical. If he wants to leave (for Honda or Toyota probably) the best solution would be to arrange terms of severance (compensation, gardening leave etc) rather than besmirching him. This stuff about him disappearing and being unreachable is clearly bollocks as he booked his flights via Ferrari's travel office! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share Posted July 5, 2007 Looks like this whole spy row is getting serious, McLaren are now implicated... McLaren caught in Ferrari spy row McLaren are embroiled in a spying row following claims one of their leading staff illegally received information from arch-rivals Ferrari. McLaren suspended a "senior member" of their design team after learning he had "personally received technical information from a Ferrari employee". The man in question is understood to be chief designer Mike Coughlan. McLaren said on Wednesday that no other employee had access to the information and that the team had not benefited. Coughlan was suspended after Ferrari sacked former team manager Nigel Stepney following an internal investigation. Ferrari believe Stepney stole parts and gave technical information to rivals. Italian police are investigating Stepney after Ferrari filed a formal complaint with the Modena district attorney, although no charges have been brought. McLaren can confirm no Ferrari intellectual property has been passed to any other members of the team or incorporated into its cars McLaren statement "We have proof that Stepney had been supplying technical information to a McLaren employee," a Ferrari spokesman said. "A search was carried out of the (McLaren) engineer's house, where we found this information," he added. "This is a very serious situation. We are talking about a lot of information being given to a prominent McLaren engineer. We are not talking about rumours or speculation." McLaren said in a statement on Wednesday: "McLaren has completed a thorough investigation and can confirm that no Ferrari intellectual property has been passed to any other members of the team or incorporated into its cars. "McLaren has in the meantime openly disclosed these matters to [F1 governing body] the FIA and Ferrari and sought to satisfy any concerns that have arisen from this matter. "In order to address some of the speculation McLaren has invited the FIA to conduct a full review of its cars to satisfy itself that the team has not benefited from any intellectual property of another competitor." Nigel Stepney pictured during practice for the 2006 German Grand Prix Stepney joined Ferrari from Benetton in 1992 as chief mechanic McLaren's actions are a clear attempt to prevent any potential further action by Ferrari against them, which could potentially include an appeal against some of their results this season. Coughlan and Stepney worked together at the Benetton team in the early 1990s and later at Ferrari's old UK design studio, which was based in Surrey until 1997. Stepney has said Ferrari are waging a "dirty tricks campaign" against him. His lawyer said last month: "Nigel wishes to make clear that he has nothing to do with this and is not guilty of anything." The development is highly embarrassing for McLaren, whose boss Ron Dennis periodically makes a point of pointing out the nefariousness of rivals who he claims have been caught trying to spy on the team. McLaren and Ferrari have a long and difficult relationship, and there is an atmosphere of mutual distrust between the two outfits. The situation may also prove a distraction from McLaren's attempt to win the British Grand Prix this weekend and strengthen their lead in the world championship over Ferrari. McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton is 14 points clear of team-mate Fernando Alonso in the title chase, with Ferrari drivers Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen three and five points behind the Spaniard. Stepney joined Ferrari from Benetton in 1992 as chief mechanic, rising to the post of race and test technical manager during the team's period of domination between 2000 and 2004. He moved to a factory-based role earlier this year after voicing his dissatisfaction over the direction of the team following Michael Schumacher's retirement and Ross Brawn stepping down as technical director. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/6264904.stm Alonso has also had another go at the team, claiming they want Hamilton to win the British GP more than he. Probably true, but not something you should say. Slightly off topic but worth posting, Grand Prix Manager 2, the best F1 Management sim out there is now abadonware and you can download it for free along with mods that go all the way up to 2006 from http://www.gpm2world.com/ More interesting than that though is some fans are hoying together a new freeware game using the source code of GPM2, called GPM3 with the blessing of original creator Ed Grawboski. Still in its early stages but it's worth popping over the to the site and see what they're planning because it sounds really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 How underwhelming. Hamilton in "fuelling ridiculously light to get pole position as PR stunt followed by thorough underperformance in the race" shockah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Posh and Beckham at the Grand Prix? Since when have they been F1 fans? Oh hang on, the attention would have been on Silverstone or Wimbledon this weekend instead of them so I suppose it was a given that they'd turn up at one or the other...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 World championship leader Lewis Hamilton has escaped serious injury after crashing heavily during qualifying for the European Grand Prix at the Nurburgring, but the Briton's presence for the race is still in doubt. Hamilton was entering the fast esses after the hairpin during the third phase of qualifying when his McLaren suffered a failure on the right front corner, pitching the car through the gravel and into the tyre wall at high speed. "It was a failure of the right-hand wheel gun, so effectively the wheel wasn't properly put on," said team boss Ron Dennis. "But that's not the mechanic's fault. We are not quite sure what failed, but in fact it was quite fortunate because the same gun was used on Fernando's car and he hadn't started to lean on it yet. "We could tell from that it was a gun failure. At least we know we don't have a problem with the car. "He has no pain, no broken bones and did not lose consciousness. We won't decide for a couple of hours," he added. It took Hamilton some time to climb from the wreckage, whereupon medical personnel loaded him onto a stretcher and took him to the medical centre, where he will remain for the next few hours under observation. If Hamilton starts the race, he will do it from 10th position. From Autosport.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Was a nasty crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 His first major F1 incident. Be interesting to see how he reacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casio 0 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CHDLa1_UwlY Nice to see they can take the piss out of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 For those of you who can't stand 'The Cock' on ITV, there'll be a familiar voice commentating on Radio Five Live. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/6908242.stm Think I might turn the volume down on the TV and turn the radio on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 For those of you who can't stand 'The Cock' on ITV, there'll be a familiar voice commentating on Radio Five Live. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/6908242.stm Think I might turn the volume down on the TV and turn the radio on! Good old Murray, a true legend. Hamilton has been granted provisional permission to race but faces a further medical in the morning. He'll do well to continue his run of podium finishes from tenth on the grid regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 For those of you who can't stand 'The Cock' on ITV, there'll be a familiar voice commentating on Radio Five Live. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/6908242.stm Think I might turn the volume down on the TV and turn the radio on! Good old Murray, a true legend. Hamilton has been granted provisional permission to race but faces a further medical in the morning. He'll do well to continue his run of podium finishes from tenth on the grid regardless. Very much so. Sounds daft but he'd have been better of starting one place lower, at least he'd be able to alter his fuel load to suit the change in circumstances. The top 10 of course have to start the race with the fuel loads that the started the final qualifying session with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Think I might turn the volume down on the TV and turn the radio on! I'm doing exactly that! Incredible change in conditions over the first two laps, from bright sunshine to torrential rain. It's chaos at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Race stopped, conditions too dangerous, cars sliding off all around the circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Well that worked out well for Alonso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 What, racing the best out of everyone? It does tend to, yes. Felt a bit sorry for Hamilton, which is really saying something. Hurrah for Winkelhock though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 I meant his two main title rivals receiving nul points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 True that. Nice to have the title race a bit closer again though. Now we just need a Hamilton/Alonso blow-out in Hungary accompanied by a Ferrari 1-2, and we'll be nicely set up for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 True that. Nice to have the title race a bit closer again though. Now we just need a Hamilton/Alonso blow-out in Hungary accompanied by a Ferrari 1-2, and we'll be nicely set up for the rest of the season. That would be excellent, but I have a feeling the Hungaroring will be more suited to the McLarens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Aye, you're probably right. Either way it'll be suited to total boredom as usual, unless we get some more Extreme Weather Fun. I reckon they should install blokes with firehoses at the side of dull tracks like Hungary, just to liven things up a bit at random intervals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 The highlight of the race coverage IMO..... *apologies to the non-F1 fans who won't get the joke or may not know who the other fella in the sauna is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vmCTjcSm4Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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