Gejon 2 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I think a lot of people have kind of missed the point as to just why you would buy this car, and why one of them crashing is news-worthy I have a feeling if you started making demands as to what colour you wanted they would politely tell you to fuck of (in Italian of course) Because you're a poser I guess, to be frank for less cash you could buy something that out performs it in every way possible. But it’s like having a shirt with the “right” label on it. It's still only newsworthy (or should be) because they guy was driving like a moron however (still bet he's not charged though). Really? What do you have in mind? Seconded.... This should be interesting There's loads out there from small performance car manufactures (the plethore probably will too), they are expensive still of course, but nothing like as expensive as the Veyron But if labels blind you (as they seem to a lot in here) then believe what you want. If there are LOADS im sure you could link to one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 There's loads out there from small performance car manufactures (the plethore probably will too), they are expensive still of course, but nothing like as expensive as the Veyron But if labels blind you (as they seem to a lot in here) then believe what you want. You'll have no problem giving one example then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Top Gear faked it going 253mph then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I have enough of a grasp to be able to stand by my posts As I said keep buying Max Power, maybe when you pass your test you can have a real car (or even a motorbike!) too. Don't get upset now that you realise you were wrong About what exactly? Do you read Revs (?) and not Max Power? Was I wrong about that? You'll have no problem giving one example then.... Already did, already did. If there are LOADS im sure you could link to one? See above. Top Gear faked it going 253mph then? I doubt it, but if it’s just maximum drag strip speed (which is a pointless “test” of a car tbh) you’re after again there’s faster for less. But the stuff you posted is most likely got the usual manufacturers “tolerance”. Now you can ALL go back to reading Max Power and wet dreaming if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Let's have the performance figures then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 (edited) I have enough of a grasp to be able to stand by my posts As I said keep buying Max Power, maybe when you pass your test you can have a real car (or even a motorbike!) too. Don't get upset now that you realise you were wrong About what exactly? About this being a run of the mill fast car that that is just being over-hyped by the media and that can be bettered by numerous cheaper cars Edited March 13, 2007 by Super_Steve_Howey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I have enough of a grasp to be able to stand by my posts As I said keep buying Max Power, maybe when you pass your test you can have a real car (or even a motorbike!) too. Don't get upset now that you realise you were wrong About what exactly? About this being a run of the mill fast car that that is just being over-hyped by the media and that can be bettered by numerous cheaper cars Again see above, although I wouldn't exactly call it "run of the mill". And again it's amazing what you can put together in a small build context, my own car would have cost 4-5 times as much to buy that performance in an off the shelf package (or even just pre-built) and at least 5 to who know how much to have got it from a trendy "label". And I'm sure others would paint it exactly how you wanted it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I have enough of a grasp to be able to stand by my posts As I said keep buying Max Power, maybe when you pass your test you can have a real car (or even a motorbike!) too. Don't get upset now that you realise you were wrong About what exactly? About this being a run of the mill fast car that that is just being over-hyped by the media and that can be bettered by numerous cheaper cars Again see above, although I wouldn't exactly call it "run of the mill". And again it's amazing what you can put together in a small build context, my own car would have cost 4-5 times as much to buy that performance in an off the shelf package (or even just pre-built) and at least 5 to who know how much to have got it from a trendy "label". And I'm sure others would paint it exactly how you wanted it as well. What a bizzare and totally innaccurate linear extrapolation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 (edited) The Locus Plethore appears to be a prototype. Indeed, there are no performance stats at all (not even over-hyped ones) on it's website: http://www.locussupercar.com/en/newcars/specs/illusion.spy In fact they've not even built a working prototype yet, so it's just a chassis and engine concept. Edited March 13, 2007 by nufc4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I'm no expert though, but I do have some idea about engineering, I've built and own a 5.0L 270BHP at the wheels mostly race specced classic sports car..... have you? 5 litres? and it only gets 270Bhp? thats some tweaking you must have done to the engine to reduce it that much, not quite got the hang of this motor engineering malarky have you? Of course you could just post a pic of your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 My car does 0-1000 in 19 seconds. Of course, it was the cheap model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I'm no expert though, but I do have some idea about engineering, I've built and own a 5.0L 270BHP at the wheels mostly race specced classic sports car..... have you? 5 litres? and it only gets 270Bhp? thats some tweaking you must have done to the engine to reduce it that much, not quite got the hang of this motor engineering malarky have you? Of course you could just post a pic of your car. At the wheels (you'll almost never see that quoted in car literature because a load of power is lost through the drive system – that is this “engineering” malarkey you see ), not the what the engine produces (which is fairly irrelevant tbh). But yes the engine itself could take about ~450bhp, but modding it further than it currently is would be pretty expensive for no real actual drivability on the road gain and the fuel efficiency would also drop though the floor and frankly would be a bit lethal as the kerb weight is under 1000kg now. I can post pics I guess if you want if I can dig some out and scan them, or I’ll happily answer questions if you’re that interested (not much to do with a Veyron however). I also have two motorbikes if you’re really THAT interested in me and my hobbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 (edited) Any links to cars one can actually buy then, rather than concepts? Edited March 13, 2007 by nufc4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Any links to cars one can actually buy then, rather than concepts? As far as off the shelf production cars go there are several in late development that should do for at most less than ½ the current retail price (Barabus TKR [0-60 in 1.67 which seems a more than a bit “ambitious”, but then when you look at the record 0-60 of a Caterham, then maybe not – although I still think so tbh], Ultimate Aero TT, maybe the Koenigsegg CCXR [more powerful version of the one that nearly killed the Stigg, I believe] and even Bristol Fighter T – and it’s still a shame the speed 12 never went into production). But as for non-production cars the choice is astounding (you could even get another Callaway sledgehammer corvette for much less if that was your fancy ). A Veyron does 0 km/h to 300 km/h: 16.7 s You can get an AC Cobra (replica) that will do 0 km/h to 300 km/h in ~10.0 s Another interesting thing (going back to my earlier point about “facts and figures”) is those stats you posted from Wiki, the top one is yours the rest coming from other sources: · Zero to 60 mph (97 km/h): 2.5 s Zero to 60 mph: 2.9 sec 0 - 60 mph – 3.0 seconds Which may not seem like much, but due to the Veyron’s drive system it has a big advantage over 2 wheel drive cars from a standing start and that ½ a second is a massive thing. Which is also an interesting thing about BHP figures and such, most are done from an engine on the test beds, and with a good engine at that (as anyone that’s build engines knows you’ll get good and bad ones and quite a variation on BHP and torque from different engine built form the same parts – although the higher the quality control the lesser that variance is likely to be – this is actually often a main stay of F1 engines), which goes back to the only relevant figures being at the wheels (as a gave for my run about). Also if you’re into drag racing (which I’m not) you’ll certainly know this but from a stop it’s not really about power or potential acceleration but about getting the power transferred, and even the best LSD in the world on a 2wd car isn’t going to compete with more advance Awd option in that context (unless it stupidly out powers/weight it or the rubber/substrate friction ratio isn’t want powers it – i.e. jet racers). Hell you could even fit an Awd system to something like a Caterham (it’s been done to several cars like that using Porsche’s system) and have something that would be terrifying in the 0-60 range, although at much over 100-130mph would be “interesting” to say the least. Where you can’t equal the Veyron is probably in pure engineering elegance and indeed luxury…. but then if luxury is your issue get a Bentley or something and a chauffer to drive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Heh as I said complete lack of initiative (and boldess "warranty" ) Give me the cash and I’ll do it though (but you’ll not get either back). Insurance is going to be expensive and you’re going to have to go somewhere other than Hastings Direct I’m afraid. There are plenty of speciality insurers out there though, won’t be cheap however, but then nothing in that bracket is (although bizarrely it can be cheaper than it “should” be because such specialist cars are view as less of a risk proportionally to some barried up shed). Also the thing you should know before driving anything with any real power (hell before even riding a bike) is that you drive to the conditions, both physical and environmental, that way you DON'T mow down a pregnant woman or anyone else. That’s not this “engineering” malarkey that’s just being sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Heh as I said complete lack of initiative (and boldess "warranty" ) Give me the cash and I’ll do it though (but you’ll not get either back). Insurance is going to be expensive and you’re going to have to go somewhere other than Hastings Direct I’m afraid. There are plenty of speciality insurers out there though, won’t be cheap however, but then nothing in that bracket is (although bizarrely it can be cheaper than it “should” be because such specialist cars are view as less of a risk proportionally to some barried up shed). Also the thing you should know before driving anything with any real power (hell before even riding a bike) is that you drive to the conditions, both physical and environmental, that way you DON'T mow down a pregnant woman or anyone else. That’s not this “engineering” malarkey that’s just being sensible. The difference being, I can go out right now and buy a Veyron and get it insured, because it's a real car with list price and a brochure and everything Do you give up now or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Heh as I said complete lack of initiative (and boldess "warranty" ) Give me the cash and I’ll do it though (but you’ll not get either back). Insurance is going to be expensive and you’re going to have to go somewhere other than Hastings Direct I’m afraid. There are plenty of speciality insurers out there though, won’t be cheap however, but then nothing in that bracket is (although bizarrely it can be cheaper than it “should” be because such specialist cars are view as less of a risk proportionally to some barried up shed). Also the thing you should know before driving anything with any real power (hell before even riding a bike) is that you drive to the conditions, both physical and environmental, that way you DON'T mow down a pregnant woman or anyone else. That’s not this “engineering” malarkey that’s just being sensible. The difference being, I can go out right now and buy a Veyron and get it insured, because it's a real car with list price and a brochure and everything Do you give up now or what? Really do you have the cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Heh as I said complete lack of initiative (and boldess "warranty" ) Give me the cash and I’ll do it though (but you’ll not get either back). Insurance is going to be expensive and you’re going to have to go somewhere other than Hastings Direct I’m afraid. There are plenty of speciality insurers out there though, won’t be cheap however, but then nothing in that bracket is (although bizarrely it can be cheaper than it “should” be because such specialist cars are view as less of a risk proportionally to some barried up shed). Also the thing you should know before driving anything with any real power (hell before even riding a bike) is that you drive to the conditions, both physical and environmental, that way you DON'T mow down a pregnant woman or anyone else. That’s not this “engineering” malarkey that’s just being sensible. The difference being, I can go out right now and buy a Veyron and get it insured, because it's a real car with list price and a brochure and everything Do you give up now or what? Really do you have the cash? And are you on the waiting list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... Cars you can get for less money, but not "off the shelf ones", yet anyway (although within 6 months). So basically, cars you can't buy or can't beat the Veyron.... You buy them (or you pay for them), but not out of a catalogue or show room. You'd need a bit of initiative and boldness though so I can see why you'd be having a problem with the concept. Tell me exactly which one you would buy and from where, and what modifications to make, to produce a road legal car (2 doors and a roof, not a speedster or drag racer) that will outperform the Veyron, specifically on top speed. And then point out to me where I can get this car insured and warranty repaired when I mow down a pregnant lady... Heh as I said complete lack of initiative (and boldess "warranty" ) Give me the cash and I’ll do it though (but you’ll not get either back). Insurance is going to be expensive and you’re going to have to go somewhere other than Hastings Direct I’m afraid. There are plenty of speciality insurers out there though, won’t be cheap however, but then nothing in that bracket is (although bizarrely it can be cheaper than it “should” be because such specialist cars are view as less of a risk proportionally to some barried up shed). Also the thing you should know before driving anything with any real power (hell before even riding a bike) is that you drive to the conditions, both physical and environmental, that way you DON'T mow down a pregnant woman or anyone else. That’s not this “engineering” malarkey that’s just being sensible. The difference being, I can go out right now and buy a Veyron and get it insured, because it's a real car with list price and a brochure and everything Do you give up now or what? Really do you have the cash? And are you on the waiting list? And do you have a sufficently secure garage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 and it’s still a shame the speed 12 never went into production). I drove that car on one of the Gran Turismo games and it was INSANE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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