tinofbeans 91 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 thats one of the main problems with milner, i also note his movement isn't particularly great. technically hes quite good at everything except for deliveries into the box which for me is a prime requisite. parker as i have said would work really well as part of a 5 man midfield, as he buzzes around everywhere and gets his foot in. we desperately need two mobile full backs that want to play for the team, seems that carr and babyaro aren't actually good enough or quick enough and don't offer enough going forward. nobby's done a fine job at right back but his legs are going now and its only a matter of time.... in terms of creativity from midfield surely thats a matter of organisation, ideally i'd like (when we have enough fit forwards) dyer given a free role, and butt to mop up infront of the back 4. the 2 wide players would go narrow when we didnt have the ball thus denying the opposition the space theyd require. parker whilst a good huff and puff hard yards man can't create enough, and despite his tackling being good his distribution is pretty damn average. sounds simple, and is simple, and would make us more compact and difficult to play against. just my $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_NUFC 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Shite game. 0-0 was the fair result, but the game was there for us to win, because they didn't threaten us. But there was no performance from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Shite game. 0-0 was the fair result, but the game was there for us to win, because they didn't threaten us. But there was no performance from us. Yakubu and Viduka played as well as they were allowed. I thought the yank was defensively very good and Bramble too although his long balls out of defence were terrible. What I noticed, quite a lot, was how often the wide men, in particular Zoggy, were left isolated with no support. Re-inforced my view that we need a forward midfield player instead of 2 deep players to support better and also one of the front 2 to drop out of the middle sometimes and support them too. Zoggy was often surrounded by 2 or 3 smog players, forcing him to dribble into the corner. End result was he lost possession or was simply just cornered. Taylor held his position 10-20 yards behind him, but he had no other outlet and support player. I thought that Sib should have been on earlier, played up front, and Dyer filling midfield instead of Parker, but he [Roeder] won't choose between him and Butt , and if he did he would probably keep Parker on because he is captain. Wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 So basically Leazes you agree with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I hope there isnt going to be a suggestion that quality full backs would help support the isolated wingers, that would be MADNESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Milner was garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I hope there isnt going to be a suggestion that quality full backs would help support the isolated wingers, that would be MADNESS!!! I am talking quantity of supporting players, not just quality. The full back can support his team mate but the idea is to actually move the ball inside sometimes ....... and vary your movement. You wouldn't be open to counter-attacking teams though if you played with 2 attacking full backs would you ? Most of the best teams generally play with one attacking and one defensive full back. No player can bomb up and down the pitch for 90 minutes anyway ..... Supporting the front/forward players is generally a job for the other front/forward players, believe it or not. What exactly do you think an attacking midfield player does. Somehow Jon, I just knew you would come in at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 So basically Leazes you agree with me! divvent knaa.....I was replying to Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Milner was garbage. Milner blows hot and cold for me. Great attitude, but lacks pace, however if he crosses consistently like Beckham does he can overcome this as Beckham did [and Solano too for that matter]. Inconsistency within games, like he shows, isn't really good enough. Its up to him though. Amazing how he can cross on the run brilliantly as he does on occasions then fail to even clear the first man when he has time and space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 LM most quality teams have 2 players that can attack but one who is more defensive we have one who is ageing but does have attacking ability (although his crossing has been off a bit lately) and on the other side we either have a liability or a youngster who is about as attack minded as Makelele! Not good enough but the only way we can fix this is by splashing £5m on left wingers, that will sort out the problem. Obviously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47044 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Mid-table mediocrity vs. Mid-table mediocrity. A total fucking snoozefest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 LM most quality teams have 2 players that can attack but one who is more defensive we have one who is ageing but does have attacking ability (although his crossing has been off a bit lately) and on the other side we either have a liability or a youngster who is about as attack minded as Makelele! Not good enough but the only way we can fix this is by splashing £5m on left wingers, that will sort out the problem. Obviously! 5m more than most other clubs with shit boards, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Two bad teams. I thought Milner was unlucky to come off, I know his final ball was poor all game but he seemed to be the only one trying to make something happen. If Roeder had any bottle he should have taken Parker off (Man of the Match? ) and hoyed Dyer in the middle. Although, havign said that, when Dyer dropped back after Le Sib came he dissapeared to the point where I don't think he got another touch. All too predictable. Crying out for someone in the centre of the park to make things happen. One final thing, how pathetic were the travelling Boro support? And people think the mackems are paranoid, they've got nowt on this lot. I also hear Southgate has been having a pop at us. Small club mentality causing it I reckon. It's actually canny funny, the more we say 'it's not a derby, we couldn't give a fuck' the more they attack us. Anyway, at least the smoggies managed one song about their own team rather than ours which ended in 'don't take my Boro away' - which prompted the bloke behind me to shout 'aye, because they've already taken your kids.' Ledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47044 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 By the way, the chance Martins got when he delayed far too long and tried to dink it over Schwarzer. That should have been wellied across the keeper long before he got to the edge of the 6 yard box. His touch was awful at the weekend, I thought. So was Dyer's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Martins first touch, in the main, is pretty awful anyway. Porbably the worst part of his game. Also, if he hit things first time instead of trying to control them he might have scored more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47044 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themags 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Boro came for a 0-0 and got it It's the biggest travelling support i've seen from them at St James Park, didnt quite fill the away end but not bad for a small club . No point putting on Legends tonight's as Bernie will be full of himself, the arrogant Geordies couldn't beat us etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I was glad to see Boro managed to get all the home game regulars in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 There was some thick twat sat in front of me as well whenever Woodgate touched the bull he kept on singing to the top of his lungs "Judas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. That's the main reason why he would never get a contract extension from me. Leazes may rightfully insist on defending starting up front with keeping possession. But at the same time does attacking start from the back, but Bramble's clownesque hoofing does put us directly put us on the back foot again. It's horrible when a crap centre half is arguably dictating our style of play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. That's the main reason why he would never get a contract extension from me. Leazes may rightfully insist on defending starting up front with keeping possession. But at the same time does attacking start from the back, but Bramble's clownesque hoofing does put us directly put us on the back foot again. It's horrible when a crap centre half is arguably dictating our style of play... I think as a team we don't defend too badly tbh, the problem is we have a group of players who are regulars to the first team and are absolutely fucking hopeless with a football at their feet - Carr, Bramble, Moore, Taylor, Ramage, Babayaro, Butt and Parker are all technically inept. We concede stupid goals because none of the above are capable of playing a passing game which will help us retain possession, they panic under pressure and give stupid goals away, on top of that they're incapable of playing the ball out from the back which means they either boot it long or give it back to the keeper for him to do the same. You can already see what a massive difference Solano going into the back four made just because he can pass a ball, we really need to get the majority of other positions at the back filled with technically good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47044 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. That's the main reason why he would never get a contract extension from me. Leazes may rightfully insist on defending starting up front with keeping possession. But at the same time does attacking start from the back, but Bramble's clownesque hoofing does put us directly put us on the back foot again. It's horrible when a crap centre half is arguably dictating our style of play... I think as a team we don't defend too badly tbh, the problem is we have a group of players who are regulars to the first team and are absolutely fucking hopeless with a football at their feet - Carr, Bramble, Moore, Taylor, Ramage, Babayaro, Butt and Parker are all technically inept. We concede stupid goals because none of the above are capable of playing a passing game which will help us retain possession, they panic under pressure and give stupid goals away, on top of that they're incapable of playing the ball out from the back which means they either boot it long or give it back to the keeper for him to do the same. You can already see what a massive difference Solano going into the back four made just because he can pass a ball, we really need to get the majority of other positions at the back filled with technically good players. I think that's a bit harsh on Butt, but other than that spot on. By the way re Parker, there was a point on Saturday where he picked the ball up, momentarily broke forward, was actually away from his marker, when he decided to check back and pirouette himself into trouble. The crowd flared up a canny bit when he did it - I think pretty much everyone is getting very tired of his inability to do anything in the middle of the park without first checking North, South, East and West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. That's the main reason why he would never get a contract extension from me. Leazes may rightfully insist on defending starting up front with keeping possession. But at the same time does attacking start from the back, but Bramble's clownesque hoofing does put us directly put us on the back foot again. It's horrible when a crap centre half is arguably dictating our style of play... I think as a team we don't defend too badly tbh, the problem is we have a group of players who are regulars to the first team and are absolutely fucking hopeless with a football at their feet - Carr, Bramble, Moore, Taylor, Ramage, Babayaro, Butt and Parker are all technically inept. We concede stupid goals because none of the above are capable of playing a passing game which will help us retain possession, they panic under pressure and give stupid goals away, on top of that they're incapable of playing the ball out from the back which means they either boot it long or give it back to the keeper for him to do the same. You can already see what a massive difference Solano going into the back four made just because he can pass a ball, we really need to get the majority of other positions at the back filled with technically good players. I think that's a bit harsh on Butt, but other than that spot on. By the way re Parker, there was a point on Saturday where he picked the ball up, momentarily broke forward, was actually away from his marker, when he decided to check back and pirouette himself into trouble. The crowd flared up a canny bit when he did it - I think pretty much everyone is getting very tired of his inability to do anything in the middle of the park without first checking North, South, East and West. Yeah you're probably right about Butt, I'm thinking of the goal he gave away against Fulham by under hitting a backpass, then again he was surrounded by 2 players when he was given the ball from a throw in by Ramage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Bramble's hit and hopes were fucking infuriating as well. Will somebody on our revered coaching staff PLEASE have a word with the lad? Fucking hell, it would be the FIRST thing I said to him in training this morning. That's the main reason why he would never get a contract extension from me. Leazes may rightfully insist on defending starting up front with keeping possession. But at the same time does attacking start from the back, but Bramble's clownesque hoofing does put us directly put us on the back foot again. It's horrible when a crap centre half is arguably dictating our style of play... I think as a team we don't defend too badly tbh, the problem is we have a group of players who are regulars to the first team and are absolutely fucking hopeless with a football at their feet - Carr, Bramble, Moore, Taylor, Ramage, Babayaro, Butt and Parker are all technically inept. We concede stupid goals because none of the above are capable of playing a passing game which will help us retain possession, they panic under pressure and give stupid goals away, on top of that they're incapable of playing the ball out from the back which means they either boot it long or give it back to the keeper for him to do the same. You can already see what a massive difference Solano going into the back four made just because he can pass a ball, we really need to get the majority of other positions at the back filled with technically good players. I totally agree (especially with the last part)... ... with the exception that Emre's stupid amount of misplaced passes is also doing my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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