These New Owners of West Ham

[LeazesMag 0]

I've already posted the link to where you lied about claiming Boumsong was shit from the beginning.

 

Question for you. Do you think the mackems are doing well now, because they had a "plan", a DOF or simply got lucky with their manager, as he wasn't first choice ?

 

Sunderland have always been a team who do well in the Championship, Roy Keane hasn't done anything that Mick Mcmackem didn't do when he was in that league with them, the big test will be if they get promoted so until then it's too early to judge.

 

Another question. Do you think people who go to games have a better insight into the games and the whole club than those who do not ?

 

There are plus points to being at the match and watching it on tv, I've watched matches where IMO players have played well yet I've watched the highlights of the same match later when I've got home and those players haven't stood out as much as I thought they did, Martins and Dyer being a good example away to Birmingham earlier this season.

 

You do get a better feeling of what each player has contributed from being at the match though.

 

Boumsong being "OK" and "shit in the air" equates to not being suitable for the premiership and top level standards, in my book. Whatever. Thanks for the links showing the other "lies" you claim that I have made.

 

Ref your point about the mackems and Roy Keane, do you mean to say that how well he does will depend a great deal on how ambitious the board are and how much they can, or are prepared to, support him ?

 

Ref your comment about people going to games and those who do not, what exactly is Noelie's response ? Although, my opinion is that if someone only watches TV over a prolonged period of time, especially a prolonged period stretching into decades, they do, in fact know very little, or to be precise, fuck all.

 

Edited March 4, 2007 by LeazesMag

[Baggio 0]

a DOF doesn't guarantee you a good manager who is the most important person in a football club

 

I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...pur/4224278.stm

 

what makes you say that Newcastle United have never had scouts and coaching staff LOL

 

Great laugh that .......

 

I've never said we haven't got scouts or coaching staff, I said we have shit scouts and coaching staff.

 

Duh.

 

You're telling lies. You said this :

 

"I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team. "

 

Roeder - and no other NUFC manager - has had to do all of that on his own at all.

 

You've clearly misinterpreted what I've said, a DOF would take the pressure off the manager in that he would be able to concentrate on the first team and nothing more, It would also be someone who had control over every other aspect of the club in youth development, scouting etc.

 

I've never suggested Roeder does it all however he is responsible for the scouts, youth academy staff etc as they all answer to him.

[LeazesMag 0]

a DOF doesn't guarantee you a good manager who is the most important person in a football club

 

I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...pur/4224278.stm

 

what makes you say that Newcastle United have never had scouts and coaching staff LOL

 

Great laugh that .......

 

I've never said we haven't got scouts or coaching staff, I said we have shit scouts and coaching staff.

 

Duh.

 

You're telling lies. You said this :

 

"I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team. "

 

Roeder - and no other NUFC manager - has had to do all of that on his own at all.

 

You've clearly misinterpreted what I've said, a DOF would take the pressure off the manager in that he would be able to concentrate on the first team and nothing more, It would also be someone who had control over every other aspect of the club in youth development, scouting etc.

 

I've never suggested Roeder does it all however he is responsible for the scouts, youth academy staff etc as they all answer to him.

 

The manager of Newcastle United has always had a youth team coach, scouts etc and enabled him to concentrate on the first team. Your are making things up and talking bollocks.

[Baggio 0]

I've already posted the link to where you lied about claiming Boumsong was shit from the beginning.

 

Question for you. Do you think the mackems are doing well now, because they had a "plan", a DOF or simply got lucky with their manager, as he wasn't first choice ?

 

Sunderland have always been a team who do well in the Championship, Roy Keane hasn't done anything that Mick Mcmackem didn't do when he was in that league with them, the big test will be if they get promoted so until then it's too early to judge.

 

Another question. Do you think people who go to games have a better insight into the games and the whole club than those who do not ?

 

There are plus points to being at the match and watching it on tv, I've watched matches where IMO players have played well yet I've watched the highlights of the same match later when I've got home and those players haven't stood out as much as I thought they did, Martins and Dyer being a good example away to Birmingham earlier this season.

 

You do get a better feeling of what each player has contributed from being at the match though.

 

Boumsong being "OK" and "shit in the air" equates to not being suitable for the premiership and top level standards, in my book. Whatever. Thanks for the links showing the other "lies" you claim that I have made.

 

Ref your point about the mackems and Roy Keane, do you mean to say that how well he does will depend on a great deal on how ambitious the board are and how much they can, or are prepared to, support him ?

 

Ref your comment about people going to games and those who do not, what exactly is Noelie's response ?

 

 

I could have pulled up the link of you claiming not to be NE5 on Newcastle-Online too.

 

You also said in that link I posted that Boumsong "Wasn't as good as you thought he'd be" and that he was "ok" which suggests you thought he would be better than ok when we signed him.

 

An organised board with a good plan will do better in the long run than an unorganised, ambitious board, there is only so much money you can throw at a problem before it runs out and you end up with a massive debt around your neck.

 

I don't even read the bickering between you and Noelie so I'm in no position to comment.

[Baggio 0]

a DOF doesn't guarantee you a good manager who is the most important person in a football club

 

I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...pur/4224278.stm

 

what makes you say that Newcastle United have never had scouts and coaching staff LOL

 

Great laugh that .......

 

I've never said we haven't got scouts or coaching staff, I said we have shit scouts and coaching staff.

 

Duh.

 

You're telling lies. You said this :

 

"I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team. "

 

Roeder - and no other NUFC manager - has had to do all of that on his own at all.

 

You've clearly misinterpreted what I've said, a DOF would take the pressure off the manager in that he would be able to concentrate on the first team and nothing more, It would also be someone who had control over every other aspect of the club in youth development, scouting etc.

 

I've never suggested Roeder does it all however he is responsible for the scouts, youth academy staff etc as they all answer to him.

 

The manager of Newcastle United has always had a youth team coach, scouts etc and enabled him to concentrate on the first team. Your are making things up and talking bollocks.

 

Who had to spend time looking for and employing our scouts and youth team coach when they could have been concentrating on the first team squad?

 

I'll tell you what Leazes, Sir John has already said they're discussing employing a DOF at board room level so we'll wait and see what your opinion is if they do and if you're so dead against it then.

[LeazesMag 0]

a DOF doesn't guarantee you a good manager who is the most important person in a football club

 

I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...pur/4224278.stm

 

what makes you say that Newcastle United have never had scouts and coaching staff LOL

 

Great laugh that .......

 

I've never said we haven't got scouts or coaching staff, I said we have shit scouts and coaching staff.

 

Duh.

 

You're telling lies. You said this :

 

"I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team. "

 

Roeder - and no other NUFC manager - has had to do all of that on his own at all.

 

You've clearly misinterpreted what I've said, a DOF would take the pressure off the manager in that he would be able to concentrate on the first team and nothing more, It would also be someone who had control over every other aspect of the club in youth development, scouting etc.

 

I've never suggested Roeder does it all however he is responsible for the scouts, youth academy staff etc as they all answer to him.

 

The manager of Newcastle United has always had a youth team coach, scouts etc and enabled him to concentrate on the first team. Your are making things up and talking bollocks.

 

Who had to spend time looking for and employing our scouts and youth team coach when they could have been concentrating on the first team squad?

 

I'll tell you what Leazes, Sir John has already said they're discussing employing a DOF at board room level so we'll wait and see what your opinion is if they do and if you're so dead against it then.

 

A good manager is a good manager whether he has a DOF or not.

 

We will wait and see what your opinion is if it makes no difference, meaning it would be a waste of money, because in my opinion it is nothing other than a fancy title for a glorified coach/scout, with the manager still the number 1 with the final decisions to make.

[Isegrim 9762]

a DOF doesn't guarantee you a good manager who is the most important person in a football club

 

I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...pur/4224278.stm

 

what makes you say that Newcastle United have never had scouts and coaching staff LOL

 

Great laugh that .......

 

I've never said we haven't got scouts or coaching staff, I said we have shit scouts and coaching staff.

 

Duh.

 

You're telling lies. You said this :

 

"I don't recall anyone saying that, I remember saying the benefits of a DOF would be to take pressure off the manager and would allow someone to concentrate on Scouting, youth development and all the other stuff like that full time rather than having to expect Roeder to do all this as well as sort the first team. "

 

Roeder - and no other NUFC manager - has had to do all of that on his own at all.

 

You've clearly misinterpreted what I've said, a DOF would take the pressure off the manager in that he would be able to concentrate on the first team and nothing more, It would also be someone who had control over every other aspect of the club in youth development, scouting etc.

 

I've never suggested Roeder does it all however he is responsible for the scouts, youth academy staff etc as they all answer to him.

 

The manager of Newcastle United has always had a youth team coach, scouts etc and enabled him to concentrate on the first team. Your are making things up and talking bollocks.

 

Who had to spend time looking for and employing our scouts and youth team coach when they could have been concentrating on the first team squad?

 

I'll tell you what Leazes, Sir John has already said they're discussing employing a DOF at board room level so we'll wait and see what your opinion is if they do and if you're so dead against it then.

 

A good manager is a good manager whether he has a DOF or not.

 

We will wait and see what your opinion is if it makes no difference, meaning it would be a waste of money, because in my opinion it is nothing other than a fancy title for a glorified coach/scout, with the manager still the number 1 with the final decisions to make.

Nobody is denying that the manager is arguably the most important part of the set up. But the whole football industry is becoming more and more complex and that is why most (really successful clubs) feel the need of directors of football and/or chief executives while at Newcastle these positions are either filled by Shepherd himself or a certain Mr. Vacant...

 

http://nufc.com/2006-07html/geninfo.html

[Guest alex]

Boumsong was shit - as I said from day 1

 

"and I think Boumsong is OK, he is quick and composed and a canny tackler, but shite in the air."

 

http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?...pic=410&hl=

Back of the net.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Boumsong was shit - as I said from day 1

 

"and I think Boumsong is OK, he is quick and composed and a canny tackler, but shite in the air."

 

http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?...pic=410&hl=

Back of the net.

 

Now you've started something, expect a 1,000 word explanation to prove that the above statement meant he was shit.

[Gemmill 44811]

LM has always claimed that he knew that Boumsong was shit from the Yeading game onwards iirc. Claims that everyone else thought he would be good because he was foreign.

[Renton 21588]

Boumsong was shit - as I said from day 1

 

"and I think Boumsong is OK, he is quick and composed and a canny tackler, but shite in the air."

 

http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?...pic=410&hl=

Back of the net.

 

Now you've started something, expect a 1,000 word explanation to prove that the above statement meant he was shit.

 

Go back a page, he's already in denial mode. Proof if any were needed that he can NEVER admit to being wrong, even when the evidence is there in black and white for all to see.

[Guest alex]

I expressed my misgivings about him from early on tbh, I remember talking to Papa L in The Trent saying that his so-called good run of form when he first arrived was more down to Bramble playing out of his skin. I thought he looked a bit weak for the Premier League. It gives me such a buzz to have been correct about the club wasting £8million I must say.

[Renton 21588]

I thought Boumsong was the new Woodgate, because he's foreign.

[snakehips 0]

Because he was both foreign and cost £8.5m, I KNEW he was going to be the new Bobby Moore.

[Baggio 0]

 

Who had to spend time looking for and employing our scouts and youth team coach when they could have been concentrating on the first team squad?

 

I'll tell you what Leazes, Sir John has already said they're discussing employing a DOF at board room level so we'll wait and see what your opinion is if they do and if you're so dead against it then.

 

A good manager is a good manager whether he has a DOF or not.

 

We will wait and see what your opinion is if it makes no difference, meaning it would be a waste of money, because in my opinion it is nothing other than a fancy title for a glorified coach/scout, with the manager still the number 1 with the final decisions to make.

Nobody is denying that the manager is arguably the most important part of the set up. But the whole football industry is becoming more and more complex and that is why most (really successful clubs) feel the need of directors of football and/or chief executives while at Newcastle these positions are either filled by Shepherd himself or a certain Mr. Vacant...

 

http://nufc.com/2006-07html/geninfo.html

 

Someone on Newcastle-Online worked out all the staff the top clubs have, if you look at this compared to what we have it seems we're being run like the Worlds biggest pub team.

 

How a top 'international' football club should be structured / managed

To manage the business side:

 

Club President:

Chairman:

Chief Executive:

Vice Chairman:

Chief Operating Officer / Company Secretary: ;

Finance Director:

Commercial Director:

Board of 6-8 Non-Executive Directors with specialist knowledge i.e. lawyer etc.

 

To manage the playing side:

 

Director of Football:

First Team Manager:

Assistant Manager:

First Team Coach:

Assistant Coach:

Goalkeeping Coach:

Conditioning / Fitness Coach:

Assistant Conditioning / Fitness Coach:

Defensive Coach: We f****** need someone...

 

Video Analysts / Prozone Experts;

 

Reserve Team Coach:

Assistant Reserve Team Coach:

 

Academy Director:

U19 Manager:

U17 Manager:

Academy Coach:

Academy Goalkeeping Coach:

Education Manager:

 

Chief Medical Officer:

Reserve Team Doctor:

Rehabilitation Doctor:

Physios: Masseurs:

 

Chief Scout: to report to D of F, liase with first team manager;

European Scout:

Scouts: An entire, integrated network;

Youth Scouts: to search for the N'Zogbia's and Rossi's;

 

Video Analysts / Prozone Experts.

[Baggio 0]

Another thing a lot of the more organized clubs have is a specialist skills / technique coach, they work with the players individually teaching them basic ball skills, could help sort out the first touch of every single player in the squad.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...and/5148730.stm

[Gemmill 44811]

Who needs any of that shit when you've got Terry Mac and Lee Clark?

[Bombadil 0]

Who needs any of that shit when you've got Terry Mac and Lee Clark?

 

And Roeder - three (adopted) Geordies who know what the club is all about. That's good enough for me.

[Isegrim 9762]

Another thing a lot of the more organized clubs have is a specialist skills / technique coach, they work with the players individually teaching them basic ball skills, could help sort out the first touch of every single player in the squad.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...and/5148730.stm

A major factor why Klinsmann was doing so well with Germany in the last World Cup. Klinsmann's coaching ability are rather questionable, but what he was good at was to install a professional set up of coaches etc. There were especially a lot of people moaning about his idea of hiring American fitness coaches by saying 'bla bla, we never needed them, we were always good enough etc.'. But all players admit it was amazing what impact those coaches had and how they were concentrating on the individual needs of each player, e.g. pace, strengths etc.

[Baggio 0]

Another thing a lot of the more organized clubs have is a specialist skills / technique coach, they work with the players individually teaching them basic ball skills, could help sort out the first touch of every single player in the squad.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...and/5148730.stm

A major factor why Klinsmann was doing so well with Germany in the last World Cup. Klinsmann's coaching ability are rather questionable, but what he was good at was to install a professional set up of coaches etc. There were especially a lot of people moaning about his idea of hiring American fitness coaches by saying 'bla bla, we never needed them, we were always good enough etc.'. But all players admit it was amazing what impact those coaches had and how they were concentrating on the individual needs of each player, e.g. pace, strengths etc.

 

Small things like this could make such a big difference to us, I remember watching Chelsea last season and Joe Cole was looking for his drinks bottle on the touchline, it turns out that they all have their own bottles with the correct amount Creatine/Glucose etc for their own specific needs.

 

Minor details but it all helps.

[Renton 21588]

Another thing a lot of the more organized clubs have is a specialist skills / technique coach, they work with the players individually teaching them basic ball skills, could help sort out the first touch of every single player in the squad.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...and/5148730.stm

A major factor why Klinsmann was doing so well with Germany in the last World Cup. Klinsmann's coaching ability are rather questionable, but what he was good at was to install a professional set up of coaches etc. There were especially a lot of people moaning about his idea of hiring American fitness coaches by saying 'bla bla, we never needed them, we were always good enough etc.'. But all players admit it was amazing what impact those coaches had and how they were concentrating on the individual needs of each player, e.g. pace, strengths etc.

 

Small things like this could make such a big difference to us, I remember watching Chelsea last season and Joe Cole was looking for his drinks bottle on the touchline, it turns out that they all have their own bottles with the correct amount Creatine/Glucose etc for their own specific needs.

 

Minor details but it all helps.

 

I can accept most your argument but the point about individually tailored water bottles is bullshit imo. I suspect Chelsea's success might have more to do with buying the best players in the world combined with a tactically astute manager..........

[Baggio 0]

Another thing a lot of the more organized clubs have is a specialist skills / technique coach, they work with the players individually teaching them basic ball skills, could help sort out the first touch of every single player in the squad.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...and/5148730.stm

A major factor why Klinsmann was doing so well with Germany in the last World Cup. Klinsmann's coaching ability are rather questionable, but what he was good at was to install a professional set up of coaches etc. There were especially a lot of people moaning about his idea of hiring American fitness coaches by saying 'bla bla, we never needed them, we were always good enough etc.'. But all players admit it was amazing what impact those coaches had and how they were concentrating on the individual needs of each player, e.g. pace, strengths etc.

 

Small things like this could make such a big difference to us, I remember watching Chelsea last season and Joe Cole was looking for his drinks bottle on the touchline, it turns out that they all have their own bottles with the correct amount Creatine/Glucose etc for their own specific needs.

 

Minor details but it all helps.

 

I can accept most your argument but the point about individually tailored water bottles is bullshit imo. I suspect Chelsea's success might have more to do with buying the best players in the world combined with a tactically astute manager..........

 

You could see the stickers with their names on them mate, I'm not saying it is behind Chelsea's success but it's just an example of a club using even the slightest thing to try and get ahead.

[Baggio 0]

Another example is this Prozone thing that the top clubs now use, I'm not sure if the club has it now but Sir Bobby said in his book that he asked Shepherd to buy it and he refused.

[Guest alex]

Attention to detail is key though. Whether the water bottles thing helps or not is by the by. I doubt we have anything like the right emphasis on looking at the players' individual needs / limitations and working on them. Our coaching staff are a bit of a joke.

[Baggio 0]

Attention to detail is key though. Whether the water bottles thing helps or not is by the by. I doubt we have anything like the right emphasis on looking at the players' individual needs / limitations and working on them. Our coaching staff are a bit of a joke.

 

But they're better than what we had pre 1992 so that's good enough for Leazes.