Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22427 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... If you're going to try to build a strawman at least try to make it somewhat relevant to what has actually been said. I'm saying that Iran getting nuclear weapons is a bad, bad thing, much worse than just nuclear weapons in general (which are clearly a bad thing). And that Iran is not a nice place for many, many reason, nor the sort of place and sane person would want to have nuclear weapons. As opposed to your opinion that there's nothing wrong with nuclear weapons, it's no big deal if Iran started a nuclear war anyway and that Iran is a lovely place and the governments is absolutely brilliant (despite being very similar to an exaggerated and even more zealous and evangelical G.W. Bush in most aspects). I'd certainly say that all diplomatic and if needed economic measures to try and stop their nuclear program should be VIGOROUSLY pursued, but as for military action not so much... but I dunno if it was a direct choice between targeted air strikes on nuclear facilities OR Iran getting a nuclear weapon capability.... well there is NO good choice, only least bad ones. (Oh and Iran's human rights record is not "mixed", it's what we call "bad", maybe even "appalling" might want to look that one up….. but yes you clearly are confused. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey Edited February 26, 2007 by Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22427 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... If you're going to try to build a strawman at least try to make it somewhat relevant to what has actually been said. I'm saying that Iran getting nuclear weapons is a bad, bad thing, much worse than just nuclear weapons in general (which are clearly a bad thing). And that Iran is not a nice place for many, many reason, nor the sort of place and sane person would want to have nuclear weapons. As opposed to your opinion that there's nothing wrong with nuclear weapons, it's no big deal if Iran started a nuclear war anyway and that Iran is a lovely place and the governments is absolutely brilliant (despite being very similar to an exaggerated and even more zealous and evangelical G.W. Bush in most aspects). I'd certainly say that all diplomatic and if needed economic measures to try and stop their nuclear program should be VIGOROUSLY pursued, but as for military action not so much... but I dunno if it was a direct choice between targeted air strikes on nuclear facilities OR Iran getting a nuclear weapon capability.... well there is NO good choice, only least bad ones. (Oh and Iran's human rights record is not "mixed", it's what we call "bad", maybe even "appalling" might want to look that one up….. but yes you clearly are confused. ) So, you are building a moral case against nuclear weapons? Christ that is original.....I must be blind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey Turkey is bad in that context, no doubt about it, but still nothing like as bad as Iran. IMO Turkey isn't close to being ready for entry into the EU, they were trying to get adultery made into an EU wide criminal offence as part of their entry negotiations. (although whether that only applied to women or not I’m not sure) And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. None of that has anything to to with this issue of Iran and nuclear weapons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22427 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... If you're going to try to build a strawman at least try to make it somewhat relevant to what has actually been said. I'm saying that Iran getting nuclear weapons is a bad, bad thing, much worse than just nuclear weapons in general (which are clearly a bad thing). And that Iran is not a nice place for many, many reason, nor the sort of place and sane person would want to have nuclear weapons. As opposed to your opinion that there's nothing wrong with nuclear weapons, it's no big deal if Iran started a nuclear war anyway and that Iran is a lovely place and the governments is absolutely brilliant (despite being very similar to an exaggerated and even more zealous and evangelical G.W. Bush in most aspects). I'd certainly say that all diplomatic and if needed economic measures to try and stop their nuclear program should be VIGOROUSLY pursued, but as for military action not so much... but I dunno if it was a direct choice between targeted air strikes on nuclear facilities OR Iran getting a nuclear weapon capability.... well there is NO good choice, only least bad ones. (Oh and Iran's human rights record is not "mixed", it's what we call "bad", maybe even "appalling" might want to look that one up….. but yes you clearly are confused. ) So, you are building a moral case against nuclear weapons? Christ that is original.....I must be blind.. Yes you being blind would explain quite a lot to be fair. I still like your comment on it being no big deal if Iran started a nuclear war though, even being blind (and clearly having NO idea about what you're talking about or indeed writing) wouldn't excuse that sort of silliness. But are you saying nuclear weapons are a good thing in genral? As well as saying that Iran should have them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15871 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. Turkey's weird in that respect though, societal attitudes towards homosexuality are often so different to the legislative side of things that you wonder whether they're talking about the same country. Though obviously that doesn't mean you're not absolutely right in terms of the government welcoming what the EU has to say. Edited February 26, 2007 by Meenzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22427 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey Turkey is bad in that context, no doubt about it, but still nothing like as bad as Iran. IMO Turkey isn't close to being ready for entry into the EU, they were trying to get adultery made into an EU wide criminal offence as part of their entry negotiations. (although whether that only applied to women or not I’m not sure) And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. None of that has anything to to with this issue of Iran and nuclear weapons though. Quite. Most of Turkey isn't even in Europe, and this is reflected by its culture, which, whilst being progressive by islamic standards, is a million miles behind what most western cultures feel is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22427 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. Turkey's weird in that respect though, societal attitudes towards homosexuality are often so different to the legislative side of things that you wonder whether they're talking about the same country. Though obviously that doesn't mean you're not absolutely right in terms of the government welcoming what the EU has to say. Aye. Turkish baths, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15871 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. Turkey's weird in that respect though, societal attitudes towards homosexuality are often so different to the legislative side of things that you wonder whether they're talking about the same country. Though obviously that doesn't mean you're not absolutely right in terms of the government welcoming what the EU has to say. Aye. Turkish baths, for instance. So I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? He's alluding to something without actually backing it up. Aren't you used to that yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Turkey has some nice beaches though. Never appealed to me as a holiday destination, although my mate and his Mrs love the place. Re: what Meenzer was saying about their attitudes towards homosexuality, my mate was woried when he first went about stories he'd heard about them eyeing up and touching british lasses as his lasss in a small blonde thing. Turns out the whole two weeks the local blokes were touching him up. Nuke the fucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey Turkey is bad in that context, no doubt about it, but still nothing like as bad as Iran. IMO Turkey isn't close to being ready for entry into the EU, they were trying to get adultery made into an EU wide criminal offence as part of their entry negotiations. (although whether that only applied to women or not I’m not sure) And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. None of that has anything to to with this issue of Iran and nuclear weapons though. Quite. Most of Turkey isn't even in Europe, and this is reflected by its culture, which, whilst being progressive by islamic standards, is a million miles behind what most western cultures feel is acceptable. So we have established that human rights abuses aren't neccesarily a precursor to invasion by the West. Good I've summat to work with now and there is no need to add Pakistan to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Words just fail me !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZljVAI5X5o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? I apologise if that post came across as making an assumption about you...Don't wish to at all. I don't think Turkey are ready atm, but in the long term I have no problems with it as long as they meet all the criteria. Living in Germany (whch has a relatively large Turkish population) I can clearly see the plus side and the negative aspects. The Germans often moan that the Turks still in the main buy Turkish newspapers and not German ones. If only they knew my Guardian habit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? He's alluding to something without actually backing it up. Aren't you used to that yet? Oh Alex! .....And I had such high hopes for you. That is a reply btw and not a comment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) Words just fail me !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZljVAI5X5o Edited February 26, 2007 by Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? He's alluding to something without actually backing it up. Aren't you used to that yet? Oh Alex! .....And I had such high hopes for you. That is a reply btw and not a comment..... I'm right though. Gutted to have lost your admiration btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 Are Fop and Renton advocating going to war with Iran because of it's mixed human rights record? I'm confused..... Perhpas we should have invaded the Swiss...iirc Women didn't get the vote there till 1992 and they stole a lot of Jewish money as well.......... Can't speak for Fop but no, of course I'm not saying this, merely pointing out that Iran is a completely shit country. Women got the vote in Switzerland in 1971 btw. Well that's a relief I thought for a moment we migh have to invade Turkey rather than clearing the way for them joining Europe. Human rights watch: http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe&c=turkey I don't want Turkey in the EU as it happens, but that's another matter. We get closer to the truth....I admire your honesty. Truth of what? You're relatively new to this board Parky and I think you'd be surprised how many of your assumptions of me are incorrect. Do you want Turkey as a member state of the EU? If so, why? He's alluding to something without actually backing it up. Aren't you used to that yet? Oh Alex! .....And I had such high hopes for you. That is a reply btw and not a comment..... I'm right though. Gutted to have lost your admiration btw. Get outta here!! Your still my favourite poster on N.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. Turkey's weird in that respect though, societal attitudes towards homosexuality are often so different to the legislative side of things that you wonder whether they're talking about the same country. Though obviously that doesn't mean you're not absolutely right in terms of the government welcoming what the EU has to say. Gay's their travails in Tel Aviv... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6110686.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 And I can really see EU anti-discrimination laws against homosexuals and such going down oh so well there. Turkey's weird in that respect though, societal attitudes towards homosexuality are often so different to the legislative side of things that you wonder whether they're talking about the same country. Though obviously that doesn't mean you're not absolutely right in terms of the government welcoming what the EU has to say. Gay's their travails in Tel Aviv... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6110686.stm Hehe given up on the Iran "argument" then? Although I doubt there'd be a problem with gay groups attacking orthodox-religious groups who then clash with the police in Iran, they would have just hung them in the first place so ensuring a nice peaceful county. Such an admirable way of doing things, eh? Thinking about it Nigeria is likely to make homosexuality a criminal offence soon, off for a visit to see how it’s done then are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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