Asprilla 96 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 1: Scores more 2: Much better attitude 3: Projects a good image for the club 4: Younger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Bridge 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 1: Scores more 2: Much better attitude 3: Projects a good image for the club 4: Younger No way. Bellamy is a welsh gobshite, although a talented one. But the bad outweigh the good. Martins is 22, scored 14 goals for Newcastle this season (10 in the prem). He's faster than Bellamy, has a more powerful shot than Bellamy and has a better attitude than Bellamy. The only thing Bellamy has over Martins is more premiership experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoggeordie 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Whereas Oba has more European football experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Bellamy will be trouble (sooner or later) wherever he goes. I'd rather not be associated with that, regardless of what he does on the pitch. I'm happy with Martins, Owen and Shola although I would like to add someone with a bit of physical presence like Ashton. Edited February 22, 2007 by Dr Kenneth Noisewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toondood 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 you're having a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Bridge 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 you're having a laugh Whats funny like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1321 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Is Martins really younger than Bellamy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gram 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 you're having a laugh Tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Is Martins really younger than Bellamy??? Bellamy is actually 48, he's just very short for his age. Martin is actually 63, and may even be his own grandfather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22493 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 i think bellamy is the more intelligent footballer but martins is a good replacement, not least because he'll score more goals than the welsh gobshite. the acid test will come when he starts a game alongside owen. can those two complement eachother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 If we were playing the Champions League final tomorrow i'd rather have Bellamy in the side than Martins. That said, due to the difference in their ages and attitude, you'd have to prefer Martins as the long-term signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For goals per chance ratio, I'll take Martins over Bellamy every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For goals per chance ratio, I'll take Martins over Bellamy every time. Like a lot of strikers, they work in pairs. Bellamy was and is underrated as a finisher, and IMO a few spectacular goals have contributed to Martins being overrated as a finisher. They are different sorts of players, but Bellamy gives the team more, consistently, and makes things happen. I'm surprised at you mate, I thought you would be one of the ones who have a better understanding of the game than simply to look at a goalscoring stat to show a players worth ..... Bellamy makes things happen for others. When Owen returns, we will see how well Martins does this. I'm not knocking him either before some of the plebs will suggest just because its my comment, like gram for instance. I actually think that Craig Bellamy would have been a brilliant partner for Owen, and still would be, and possibly Martins too for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22493 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For goals per chance ratio, I'll take Martins over Bellamy every time. Like a lot of strikers, they work in pairs. Bellamy was and is underrated as a finisher, and IMO a few spectacular goals have contributed to Martins being overrated as a finisher. They are different sorts of players, but Bellamy gives the team more, consistently, and makes things happen. I'm surprised at you mate, I thought you would be one of the ones who have a better understanding of the game than simply to look at a goalscoring stat to show a players worth ..... Bellamy makes things happen for others. When Owen returns, we will see how well Martins does this. I'm not knocking him either before some of the plebs will suggest just because its my comment, like gram for instance. I actually think that Craig Bellamy would have been a brilliant partner for Owen, and still would be, and possibly Martins too for that matter. we might have all three on our books if fred hadn't hired the 'scottish fuckpig'. that's the reason bellamy isn't at the club. you can blame souness for doing what souness does (ie fall out with gobby flair players that don't toe the line), but it's shepherd's fault that he was given the job in the first place. once souness was appointed it was SO obvious that he would fall out with bellamy and robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For goals per chance ratio, I'll take Martins over Bellamy every time. Like a lot of strikers, they work in pairs. Bellamy was and is underrated as a finisher, and IMO a few spectacular goals have contributed to Martins being overrated as a finisher. They are different sorts of players, but Bellamy gives the team more, consistently, and makes things happen. I'm surprised at you mate, I thought you would be one of the ones who have a better understanding of the game than simply to look at a goalscoring stat to show a players worth ..... Bellamy makes things happen for others. When Owen returns, we will see how well Martins does this. I'm not knocking him either before some of the plebs will suggest just because its my comment, like gram for instance. I actually think that Craig Bellamy would have been a brilliant partner for Owen, and still would be, and possibly Martins too for that matter. I think Martins is being "ovverated" as a finisher due to his almost 1 in 2 goal ratio in his first season in the premiership at 21/22 years of age and a constantly changing team that has on occasion lacked worthwhile attacking build up play. Martins also has a good few assists this season so its not as if scoring is all he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For goals per chance ratio, I'll take Martins over Bellamy every time. Like a lot of strikers, they work in pairs. Bellamy was and is underrated as a finisher, and IMO a few spectacular goals have contributed to Martins being overrated as a finisher. They are different sorts of players, but Bellamy gives the team more, consistently, and makes things happen. I'm surprised at you mate, I thought you would be one of the ones who have a better understanding of the game than simply to look at a goalscoring stat to show a players worth ..... Bellamy makes things happen for others. When Owen returns, we will see how well Martins does this. I'm not knocking him either before some of the plebs will suggest just because its my comment, like gram for instance. I actually think that Craig Bellamy would have been a brilliant partner for Owen, and still would be, and possibly Martins too for that matter. I think Martins is being "ovverated" as a finisher due to his almost 1 in 2 goal ratio in his first season in the premiership at 21/22 years of age and a constantly changing team that has on occasion lacked worthwhile attacking build up play. Martins also has a good few assists this season so its not as if scoring is all he does. Yeah but has he ever scored in the Nou Camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Long term i'm hoping Martins continues his progress and ends up being the better of the two players, because he's the one here and so that would be best for NUFC. Certianly he is showing the potential to be a top class striker. In his first season in the prem as a young (or 28 year old!) lad he is playing in an average team who often don't make the best use of him, yet he is impressing and banging in the goals. He also scores a variety of goals, with both feet and head, some placed, some blasted and he is matching up to the physical side of the prem. Currently Bellamy has a few years having proved himself in the prem which Martins doesn't yet have. But i really like the look of Martins and think he will be the better of the two to have and i hope i'm right. But as Dan said, but for Shepherd employing Souness we could have had them both, and Owen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Long term i'm hoping Martins continues his progress and ends up being the better of the two players, because he's the one here and so that would be best for NUFC. Certianly he is showing the potential to be a top class striker. In his first season in the prem as a young (or 28 year old!) lad he is playing in an average team who often don't make the best use of him, yet he is impressing and banging in the goals. He also scores a variety of goals, with both feet and head, some placed, some blasted and he is matching up to the physical side of the prem. Currently Bellamy has a few years having proved himself in the prem which Martins doesn't yet have. But i really like the look of Martins and think he will be the better of the two to have and i hope i'm right. But as Dan said, but for Shepherd employing Souness we could have had them both, and Owen! I don't think we'd have bought Martins if we still had Bellamy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Long term i'm hoping Martins continues his progress and ends up being the better of the two players, because he's the one here and so that would be best for NUFC. Certianly he is showing the potential to be a top class striker. In his first season in the prem as a young (or 28 year old!) lad he is playing in an average team who often don't make the best use of him, yet he is impressing and banging in the goals. He also scores a variety of goals, with both feet and head, some placed, some blasted and he is matching up to the physical side of the prem. Currently Bellamy has a few years having proved himself in the prem which Martins doesn't yet have. But i really like the look of Martins and think he will be the better of the two to have and i hope i'm right. But as Dan said, but for Shepherd employing Souness we could have had them both, and Owen! I don't think we'd have bought Martins if we still had Bellamy... Quite possibly, but of course with No Souness we wouldn't have possed away millions on shite and could have bought who we want...this could go on for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Long term i'm hoping Martins continues his progress and ends up being the better of the two players, because he's the one here and so that would be best for NUFC. Certianly he is showing the potential to be a top class striker. In his first season in the prem as a young (or 28 year old!) lad he is playing in an average team who often don't make the best use of him, yet he is impressing and banging in the goals. He also scores a variety of goals, with both feet and head, some placed, some blasted and he is matching up to the physical side of the prem. Currently Bellamy has a few years having proved himself in the prem which Martins doesn't yet have. But i really like the look of Martins and think he will be the better of the two to have and i hope i'm right. But as Dan said, but for Shepherd employing Souness we could have had them both, and Owen! I don't think we'd have bought Martins if we still had Bellamy... Quite possibly, but of course with No Souness we wouldn't have possed away millions on shite and could have bought who we want...this could go on for a while You're right there... It wasn't my intention though tbh...it just struck me that since Martins has got more confident, I've cared less and less about Bellamy. The golf club thing followed by his goal in Barcelona is typical of him, I was just thinking that now we have an "equally good" striker without all the baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) Long term i'm hoping Martins continues his progress and ends up being the better of the two players, because he's the one here and so that would be best for NUFC. Certianly he is showing the potential to be a top class striker. In his first season in the prem as a young (or 28 year old!) lad he is playing in an average team who often don't make the best use of him, yet he is impressing and banging in the goals. He also scores a variety of goals, with both feet and head, some placed, some blasted and he is matching up to the physical side of the prem. Currently Bellamy has a few years having proved himself in the prem which Martins doesn't yet have. But i really like the look of Martins and think he will be the better of the two to have and i hope i'm right. But as Dan said, but for Shepherd employing Souness we could have had them both, and Owen! I don't think we'd have bought Martins if we still had Bellamy... Quite possibly, but of course with No Souness we wouldn't have possed away millions on shite and could have bought who we want...this could go on for a while You're right there... It wasn't my intention though tbh...it just struck me that since Martins has got more confident, I've cared less and less about Bellamy. The golf club thing followed by his goal in Barcelona is typical of him, I was just thinking that now we have an "equally good" striker without all the baggage. I'd expect more goals from Martins than Bellamy tbh and that is the most important thing in football, despite the fact that along with Leazes i'm one of Bellamy's biggest fans! You do need other things up front, but a striker who can guarentee plenty of goals is always worth their place! Edited February 23, 2007 by Papa Lazaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'd expect more goals from Martins than Bellamy tbh and that is the most important thing in football, despite the fact that along with Leazes i'm one of Bellamy's biggest fans! You do need other things up front, but a striker who can guarentee plenty of goals is always worth their place! even though you are probably one of the only people shorter than him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22378 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'm sorry, this thread is just sad considering there is already a Bellamy thread going. Shall we start a Bellamy forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'd expect more goals from Martins than Bellamy tbh and that is the most important thing in football, despite the fact that along with Leazes i'm one of Bellamy's biggest fans! You do need other things up front, but a striker who can guarentee plenty of goals is always worth their place! even though you are probably one of the only people shorter than him I was expecting this post as soon as i saw what i'd typed, but i'm disappointed, i expected it to be from Gemmill!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Yeah but has he ever scored in the Nou Camp? Ameobi? Aye http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/sport/2002/12/11...ch_report.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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