ChezGiven 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Wheres that from though? Will go back and find it...Here is the CBS variant. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/...main589137.shtm Page has been deleted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) Wheres that from though? Will go back and find it...Here is the CBS variant. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/...main589137.shtm Page has been deleted! Christ they're quick...I was looking at it just this morning...However try this.. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/linkscopy/ContPlan.html and this... http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...ne_exercise.htm Edited February 23, 2007 by Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47092 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Parky's Deep Throat provided him with the article. The two meet on opposite ends of the same bench in Exhibition Park and exchange information. The one overlooking the band stand. Sometimes his source doesn't arrive. Sometimes he is drunk. Most times he has shit himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? I'm looking for it. Try and remain civil fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Parky's Deep Throat provided him with the article. The two meet on opposite ends of the same bench in Exhibition Park and exchange information. The one overlooking the band stand. Sometimes his source doesn't arrive. Sometimes he is drunk. Most times he has shit himself. I play the carinet I'll have you know...Perfect cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? I'm looking for it. Try and remain civil fella. Pardon me for doubting its credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Wheres that from though? Will go back and find it...Here is the CBS variant. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/...main589137.shtm Page has been deleted! ...and this... http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/07/nac.00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47092 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 IS IT SAFE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? I'm looking for it. Try and remain civil fella. Pardon me for doubting its credibility You'd be surprised how many official pages get deleted....Or overhauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Hey Parky, I found it for you: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJu...911failure.html Check out the homepage btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 IS IT SAFE? My German girlfriend is a shoe in for that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Hey Parky, I found it for you: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJu...911failure.html Check out the homepage btw ...another nutter... Good stuff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47092 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Fucking hell Parky, another own goal! Do you have any credible sources for your stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Edited February 23, 2007 by Isegrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Parky's credibility earlier today: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Nutters are interested in 9/11.....I think his links are good if you look at them. What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Parky's credibility earlier today: That is the 'official story' I grant you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Nutters are interested in 9/11.....I think his links are good if you look at them. What's wrong with that? Maybe it just makes you look a nutter as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And what was source of the original article Parky? Surely even you can answer that question. Or are you not saying as it also features little green men and shape-shifting lizards? Not quite lizards, but... rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this home we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia. http://www.ratical.org/rhrPress.html Nutters are interested in 9/11.....I think his links are good if you look at them. What's wrong with that? Maybe it just makes you look a nutter as well... Rubbish only the weak willed fear such things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) This CBS one is very interesting.... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/...ain589137.shtml "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002. "How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission. The widows want to know why various government agencies didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots. "If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said. This one is probably hippy safe... http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analy...ries/index.html Edited February 23, 2007 by Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47092 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Incompetence =/= conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Incompetence =/= conspiracy. Fair point Gemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Incompetence =/= conspiracy. Thats what you call plausible deniability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Does no one think that with the US itching to increase its strategic presence in middle east, to bolster its import heavy economy (via domestic product) and to finish the job started but not finished in Iraq, 9/11 was the most convenient thing that ever happened to neo-con foreign policy? Maybe i was too sc Not one single suspicion that certain 'things' might have been allowed to happen? Everything is as the official version of events? Not a hint of doubt anywhere across this 'water-tight' story? Unbelievable tbh, i can see why anyone would be scathing of all the nonsense that is spoken about helicopter launched drones into the side of the 'Penthouse' © Renton, disappearing flights etc, but for the life of me i cant understand why the official story is defended so vigorously. Is this what they mean by 'plausible deniability' that old WShitehouse chestnut? I'm not defending the official story vigourously, I'm merely providing answers to the apparent questions you have about the story, and posing reasonable questions about the events you allude happened instead, in the absence of any positive evidence for it. This is what any rational person does when confronted with questions about their rational beliefs. I for don't believe the story because the White House told me, I believe it because it makes sense in the absence of any credible alternatives, and fits with my normal understaing of physics, logic, reason and humanity. The questions I have about your alternative versions of events are just as valid as yours about the official story, but for some reason you imply one set of questions carries more weight because they go against the 'official story' I'd say no one has the real "official story". Probably to embarrasing to let any of it out with all the fuck ups an all. You propose events as having but one obvious cause, continually using the absence of something as proof, without any direct evidence. The CIA didn't stop the terrorists so they must have known about them, rather than they just didn't know about them. The US attacked Iraq after the Al-Qaeda attacks so they must have been complicit in the attacks, rather than Bush seeing an fortuitous opportunity for some unfinished business. There is no evidence of a plane (which there is) so there must not have been a plane. Doubt is not proof. Ok one last time. 1 You have failed to pick up on whether i agree with the facts surrounding the main events. 2, Questioning whether these buildings were rigged in case of an attack and finding it a plausible possibility has nothing to do with the attacks, others may try to link it, I havent. WT7 remains a mystery though. 3, The position i have taken is that there is one crucial debate; did the US know an attack of some sorts was imminent and was there a failure of intelligence or was it allowed to happen? There is no proof that either is the case. You, in the absence of any other evidence want to believe the US. I just find the whole thing too much of a coincidence and have learned in the last 3-4 years that the people responsible for US foreign policy are deceitful, murderous cunts, whose religious views put them in the 'clinically insane' bracket. Forgive me my cynicism. I knew you accepted the hijackers theory, but took the WTC7 opinions as indication of acceptance of the demolition/insurance theory. My mistake. The CIA plot we've been over, and my points above still stand. You are using association with other world events and the absence of evidence to allude to a specific alternative event. This is by nature an extremely difficult position to argue against, so basic are the premises used. [i]There was NO CIA plot.[/i] Infact the aftermath so Tenet losing his job and the CIA downsized. They aren't in the habit of doing this to themselves. Do you accept that the kind of plot you allude to could never be proved no matter how much official documentation was released? Do you concede that it could have been carried out purely on a verbal basis? Not sure what this question means please clarify. Accepting these ponts, then we are back to ground already well covered here, namely the number of agents involved in the plot, and their motivations w.r.t. possible gains weighed against morality. This event could have been managed by half a dozen agents/ ex-cia/ special forces. Could six people keep aiding the hijackers a secret...? What do you think? On this last quote :"people responsible for ... foreign policy are deceitful, murderous cunts, whose religious views put them in the 'clinically insane' bracket. Forgive me my cynicism." I would argue this has been the case in part around the world for time immemorial. It is a viewpoint that could be used to see conspiracy in any government action. The truest sentence in this thread. Cheers. There was NO CIA plot. Infact the aftermath so Tenet losing his job and the CIA downsized. They aren't in the habit of doing this to themselves. Well, this post was addressed to CG, who thinks there was, but thanks for the input . I have myself pointed out that the CIA were the least 'up for' a barney with Iraq and therefore the strategic gains therein This event could have been managed by half a dozen agents/ ex-cia/ special forces. Could six people keep aiding the hijackers a secret...? What do you think? OK, so based on the above statement, and (some) of your related posts (not all as they would conflict with this scenario), I have the following assumptions: There was no missile into the pentagon (requiring no elaborate camera subdifuge) There were real hijackers using real planes (rendering the mobile phone arguments and personel requiremens moot) to attack all 4 targets The final goal was some higher power play (not involving the CIA or Bush) and not money (i.e. not requiring subdifuge and extra manpower to collapse buildings and fool insurance companies) Accepting these assumptions, I have these concerns: Were these handlers Arabic? What were their stated goals to the hijackers? If they were western, how were they persuaded to go along with the plan? If the handlers were not being directed by the CIA, who was directing them, and for what purpose? Presumably there is an alleged group at the centre of power that does not change with change of government, but that are high enough to direct policy. What specifically did they then gain from orchestrating 9/11? They already presumably have the power to start wars and influence legislation, what else would they have lusted after? Enough to willingly murder 3,000 Americans (again, this was a low estimate). If, as predicted, the Democrats sweep to power, what of their gains due to 9/11? If Bush (and by extension, his cronies and hangers on) knew nothing of these conspirators, then why are a lot of the motivations and supposed benefits from the events post 9/11 attributed to Bush? Did the conspirators improve his lot out of kindness? Again, I really don't like just returning questions with questions, but you can see how such brief suppositions can't really be answered with concrete facts. I haven't forgotten you SSH will come back to this. This far more interesting for me infact as against what 'hit' what building...Which unless the authorities intervene or a whistleblower appears is impossible to prove either way in a satisfactory manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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