One for Parky

[Guest alex]

If a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, were the bits of plane recovered from the scene subsequently planted there (in the full glare of the media spotlight) after the missile(s) hit?

[Guest alex]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

Shite how much heat does it take to completely vapourise many tonnes of aluminium and plastic. Why have other crashes not done so?.

 

Which bits?

 

The plane took 40 minutes after the first plane hit the twin tower to hit the pentagon. They seem a little Laissez faire for me.

I think I know what you're getting at but do you know how many internal flights there are in the US in a single day? It's in the tens of thousands iirc.

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

 

Kevin is right the evidence a plane hit the Pentagon is not conclusive hence hundreds of thousands of doubters in the States. Of course if they would release the footage we could kiss this one goodbye.

[Guest alex]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

[Guest alex]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

 

Kevin is right the evidence a plane hit the Pentagon is not conclusive hence hundreds of thousands of doubters in the States. Of course if they would release the footage we could kiss this one goodbye.

 

Dodged my question above though I see

[Renton 22412]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

 

Kevin is right the evidence a plane hit the Pentagon is not conclusive hence hundreds of thousands of doubters in the States. Of course if they would release the footage we could kiss this one goodbye.

 

What proportion of the population of the US claim to have been abducted by Aliens again?

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

Shite how much heat does it take to completely vapourise many tonnes of aluminium and plastic. Why have other crashes not done so?.

 

Which bits?

 

The plane took 40 minutes after the first plane hit the twin tower to hit the pentagon. They seem a little Laissez faire for me.

I think I know what you're getting at but do you know how many internal flights there are in the US in a single day? It's in the tens of thousands iirc.

 

We should all really check how long after the first hit that all planes in the sky were grounded. I'll be honest I'm not sure, in the report they say nothing was in the Sky within one hour. But what does that mean? Very little was in the sky after 20/30min?

[Guest alex]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

Shite how much heat does it take to completely vapourise many tonnes of aluminium and plastic. Why have other crashes not done so?.

 

Which bits?

 

The plane took 40 minutes after the first plane hit the twin tower to hit the pentagon. They seem a little Laissez faire for me.

I think I know what you're getting at but do you know how many internal flights there are in the US in a single day? It's in the tens of thousands iirc.

 

We should all really check how long after the first hit that all planes in the sky were grounded. I'll be honest I'm not sure, in the report they say nothing was in the Sky within one hour. But what does that mean? Very little was in the sky after 20/30min?

I think it means nothing was in the sky after an hour.

[Renton 22412]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

[Park Life 71]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

 

No one suggests they were in on it....But in all the panic and confusion who really knows what they were looking at. In the official report apparently they thought there were as many as 13 hijacked planes in the air at one point.

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

 

I don't know I don't like making assumptions. but a 757 is huge where are all the bits?

 

Not much left when a plane full of fuel hits a reinforced concrete wall at 400 mph. The aluminium would vapourise almost entirely, other parts were clearly identified. There was a clear hole in the wall where the left engine struck, and the black boxes were recovered. How much more evidence do you want, bearing in mind air traffic control, phone calls, etc?

 

 

Kevin is right the evidence a plane hit the Pentagon is not conclusive hence hundreds of thousands of doubters in the States. Of course if they would release the footage we could kiss this one goodbye.

 

What proportion of the population of the US claim to have been abducted by Aliens again?

 

Probably the same amount that vote for Bush. You want it both ways don't you?

[Guest alex]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

 

No one suggests they were in on it....But in all the panic and confusion who really knows what they were looking at. In the official report apparently they thought there were as many as 13 hijacked planes in the air at one point.

Does that mean they didn't know which planes were which? I wouldn't have thought so.

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

[Park Life 71]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

 

No one suggests they were in on it....But in all the panic and confusion who really knows what they were looking at. In the official report apparently they thought there were as many as 13 hijacked planes in the air at one point.

Does that mean they didn't know which planes were which? I wouldn't have thought so.

 

 

....I would say there was serious doubt at certain points in this fiasco and under the intense pressure they really had a handle on what was in the air. Of course after an hour or so there was very little or nothing in the sky....But the plane/missile/drone had already hit the Pentagon.

[Guest alex]

How many questions has Parky judged in this thread btw? Leazes and RobW's lovechild tbh

[Renton 22412]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

[Guest alex]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

 

No one suggests they were in on it....But in all the panic and confusion who really knows what they were looking at. In the official report apparently they thought there were as many as 13 hijacked planes in the air at one point.

Does that mean they didn't know which planes were which? I wouldn't have thought so.

 

 

....I would say there was serious doubt at certain points in this fiasco and under the intense pressure they really had a handle on what was in the air. Of course after an hour or so there was very little or nothing in the sky....But the plane/missile/drone had already hit the Pentagon.

I thought they knew exactly which plane is which just from looking at the screen (someone with more knowledge could confirm that perhaps) but doesn't each plane have a unique signifier which appears on the radar screen? I'm also assuming this data was recorded. If that's the case, the flight path of the plane that hit the Pentagon would have been easy to identify. The fact that they may have thought more planes were hijacked at one point is neither here nor there.

[Renton 22412]

Air Traffic Control in on 'it' now apparently. 'They' get everywhere it seems

 

No one suggests they were in on it....But in all the panic and confusion who really knows what they were looking at. In the official report apparently they thought there were as many as 13 hijacked planes in the air at one point.

Does that mean they didn't know which planes were which? I wouldn't have thought so.

 

 

....I would say there was serious doubt at certain points in this fiasco and under the intense pressure they really had a handle on what was in the air. Of course after an hour or so there was very little or nothing in the sky....But the plane/missile/drone had already hit the Pentagon.

I thought they knew exactly which plane is which just from looking at the screen (someone with more knowledge could confirm that perhaps) but doesn't each plane have a unique signifier which appears on the radar screen? I'm also assuming this data was recorded. If that's the case, the flight path of the plane that hit the Pentagon would have been easy to identify. The fact that they may have thought more planes were hijacked at one point is neither here nor there.

 

Exactly. Parky is clinging to wet straws.

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon also comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for planes and other threats to the Pentagon.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

Edited February 23, 2007 by Parky

[Renton 22412]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for missiles and not planes.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

 

You have to ask yourself how credible the alternative is, bearing in mind all the questions you have dodged in this thread. Contrary to popular belief there are not military jets scrambled 24/7 (not then anyway), and there was a great deal of confusion at the time. As has been said, there were thousands of civilian jets in the air at the time and the civilian authorities were slow to react to contact the military.

 

Regardless, are you saying the civilian authorities were in on it, despite the fact the CIA weren't? Yes or no will do.

 

Edit: btw Parky, you are aware there is a major civilian airport on the door step of the Pentagon aren't you?

Edited February 23, 2007 by Renton

[Guest alex]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for missiles and not planes.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

Answer that (previously ignored question) then: If a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, were the bits of the passenger airline (consistent with the missing plane) that were recovered from the scene afterwards planted there (in the full glare of the media spotlight) after the missile(s) hit? Seen as you know so much. I can't answer your question by the way, I honestly don't know enough about it. I seriously question the credibilty of any unsupported info you supply though Parkster.

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for missiles and not planes.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

 

You have to ask yourself how credible the alternative is, bearing in mind all the questions you have dodged in this thread. Contrary to popular belief there are not military jets scrambled 24/7 (not then anyway), and there was a great deal of confusion at the time. As has been said, there were thousands of civilian jets in the air at the time and the civilian authorities were slow to react to contact the military.

 

Regardless, are you saying the civilian authorities were in on it, despite the fact the CIA weren't? Yes or no will do.

 

How stupid are you to even consider that a civilina authority could be 'in on' a possible conspiracy. I really don't see why they would have to be in on it....Just avoiding my question above and throwing around a lot of cobblers about the 'the milkman' having to be in on it etc...

[Guest alex]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for missiles and not planes.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

 

You have to ask yourself how credible the alternative is, bearing in mind all the questions you have dodged in this thread. Contrary to popular belief there are not military jets scrambled 24/7 (not then anyway), and there was a great deal of confusion at the time. As has been said, there were thousands of civilian jets in the air at the time and the civilian authorities were slow to react to contact the military.

 

Regardless, are you saying the civilian authorities were in on it, despite the fact the CIA weren't? Yes or no will do.

 

How stupid are you to even consider that a civilina authority could be 'in on' a possible conspiracy. I really don't see why they would have to be in on it....Just avoiding my question above and throwing around a lot of cobblers about the 'the milkman' having to be in on it etc...

Trying to break the most ironic post in internet history record?

[Park Life 71]

So which do you think it was, missile (twirls finger around temple) or plane?

I'll come out and say I am absolutely certain it was a plane, the same plane that was hijacked by fanatical islamic terrorists, the same plane that was tracked on radar and disappeared over the pentagon, the same plane terrified passengers made phone calls from to their loved ones, the same plane that was witnessed by dozens of eye witnesses flying low and hitting the pentagon, and the same plane whose fragments can clearly be seen in the penthouse.

 

No hedging from me there, shame about the conspiracists.

 

I'd love a link to the radar data. Be careful....

 

Why would you expect such data to be available in a "link"?

 

The radar images were broadcast at the time on the news (also in on it no doubt) and repeated in a documentary on Channel 4, which also interviewed one of the controllers (also in on it I suppose).

 

Haven't you read any of the reports? You seem to be coming across as quite the expert...

 

I don't claim to be an expert, never have, read the thread again. I have no knowledge in materials science or structural engineering to speak of, for instance. Do you?

 

...Yes but I have read many many reports inc extracts from the 'official report'...So to let you and Alex into summat that you two are clearly totally ignorant of..The airspace around the Pentagon comes under the jurisdiction of Norad and another dedicated radar close by (I think it is at Andrews) that looks specifically for missiles and not planes.

So in effect there would have been 3 radar nodes all watching the Pentagon airspace and not just one civilian facility. Small private planes and infact Lear Jets are from time to time escorted out of this zone by airforce jets for encroaching and many miles from the Pentagon. So clearly the reaction times are there as well the relevant eyes and ears. You have to ask yourself that 40 min after a plane hits the first tower how much of a lockdown the Pentagon AIRspace would be under? How credible is it a huge civilian airliner would amble in and hit the Pentagon at its leisure? Honest question.

Answer that (previously ignored question) then: If a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, were the bits of the passenger airline (consistent with the missing plane) that were recovered from the scene afterwards planted there (in the full glare of the media spotlight) after the missile(s) hit? Seen as you know so much. I can't answer your question by the way, I honestly don't know enough about it. I seriously question the credibilty of any unsupported info you supply though Parkster.

 

You and Renton (blissfully unaware of the extensive radar cover as I now realise). Again do you think it is credible that Andrews and Norad would miss this elephant heading for the Pentagon?