One for Parky

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

this is the US government we're talking about here - there's no way they flew a plane elsewhere and have hidden it for the past 6 years.

 

They'd never be able to manage it!!

 

And the 54 passangers who all have relatives claiming they are dead?

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

Is the nose cone of a plane the only piece of the plane? Are people suggesting that the plane's nose hit the wall and crumpled, and the rest of the plane vanished, leaving nothing else that could punch a hole?

 

If it was a missile, where is the missile debris? Even some debris from a missile would be present after such a strike. If it is alleged that the CIA knew nothing of the attacks, I think they would be interested to find such debris, and where it came from.

 

Not necessarily not all missiles leave debris. There are some compound missiles which completely burn up.

 

What's a compound missile?

[Gemmill 47092]

Right, it's the morning. Shearergol, I have already stated that I think it is pointless for any of us to argue about the resultant carnage a 757 flown at 400 mph into a reinforced concrete structure like the Penthouse.

 

Let this be a lesson to anyone trying to have a serious discussion whilst flicking through their porn collection.

[Gemmill 47092]

I can't believe there are people that think anyone could get away with lying about a fucking big plane flying into a very public building.

[Renton 22414]

Right, it's the morning. Shearergol, I have already stated that I think it is pointless for any of us to argue about the resultant carnage a 757 flown at 400 mph into a reinforced concrete structure like the Penthouse.

 

Let this be a lesson to anyone trying to have a serious discussion whilst flicking through their porn collection.

 

 

Gemmill tries to derail a [semi]serious yet again!

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

The one conspiracy theory about the whole thing is the Pentagon hit. Never seen a plane leave such a neat whole and no wreckage before.

 

Perhaps because a similar event has never happened?

 

Passenger jets rarely hit buildings, even less so at that trajectory. The Pentagon is possibly unique in its design and construction.

 

Yes but they crash often and always leave a lot of wreckage and bags strewn all over the place.

 

Which crash are you comparing it to then?

 

This is a good site. Note the gouged earth.

 

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles...anecrashes.html

 

 

I see this has gone un-answered by the "experts" on here.

SSH already did. Anyway, you've got a cheek with "experts", you've backed up absolute nothing you've said in this thread. No doubt you could tell us, but you'd have to kill us.

 

No he didnt he just asked why gouged earth would be important. And that would be because a plane that flies into a relatively short building would either gouge the earth going into it or clip it and go over the top.

[Gemmill 47092]

Just to clarify everything so far by the way, to make sure that I'm keeping up with the conspiracy theorists:

 

- They flew two planes into two buildings that they'd already wired with explosives and it was the explosives that brought the buildings down, not the planes which were merely a decoy.

- They fired a missile (possibly from a helicopter) at a third building and then claimed that an aeroplane had flown into it.

- They then made the people that would have been on this imaginary flight disappear.

 

Is this about right? Also, when I say "they" are we talking about the US government?

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

Well, we're in the same boat then because nether of us are able to retrieve footage from a camera that you say would have caught the impact, but has been confiscated.

 

But at least you admit other cameras facing the site would be unable to capture any meaningful images due to frame rate. On the released video you include above, the camera only manages to capture 3 frames of a police cruiser doing 5 mph.

 

So it begs the question who confiscated it? If the CIA aren't in on the plot, who was? Were they just hanging around until the plane hit? Who was in charge of the camera? Is it a Pentagon camera or a civilian camera? If a Pentagon camera, how did they get the tape?

 

If civilian, why has nobody asked the owner the identity of who took the camera? Did they know the exact trajectory the plane would be taking into the building and hence which camera to take, and hence knew pretty much the entire plot? What about the other cameras that you insist should have captured the images. Are the confiscators that clever to be able to get all these tapes without missing a single one or alerting anybody?

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

The one conspiracy theory about the whole thing is the Pentagon hit. Never seen a plane leave such a neat whole and no wreckage before.

 

Perhaps because a similar event has never happened?

 

Passenger jets rarely hit buildings, even less so at that trajectory. The Pentagon is possibly unique in its design and construction.

 

Yes but they crash often and always leave a lot of wreckage and bags strewn all over the place.

 

Which crash are you comparing it to then?

 

This is a good site. Note the gouged earth.

 

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles...anecrashes.html

 

 

I see this has gone un-answered by the "experts" on here.

SSH already did. Anyway, you've got a cheek with "experts", you've backed up absolute nothing you've said in this thread. No doubt you could tell us, but you'd have to kill us.

 

No he didnt he just asked why gouged earth would be important. And that would be because a plane that flies into a relatively short building would either gouge the earth going into it or clip it and go over the top.

 

The impact hole is a few feet off the ground. Why would that mean the plane had to gouge the Earth? And the Pentagon is five floors high.

 

I also questioned where on that site I could find a similar impact.

[Renton 22414]

Just to clarify everything so far by the way, to make sure that I'm keeping up with the conspiracy theorists:

 

- They flew two planes into two buildings that they'd already wired with explosives and it was the explosives that brought the buildings down, not the planes which were merely a decoy.

- They fired a missile (possibly from a helicopter) at a third building and then claimed that an aeroplane had flown into it.

- They then made the people that would have been on this imaginary flight disappear.

 

Is this about right? Also, when I say "they" are we talking about the US government?

 

That's about it, yes. Can't believe I've been arguing about this.

 

They'll be telling me the moon landings never took place next.

[Gemmill 47092]

Any mention from the airline about their plane that supposedly flew (or didn't) into the Pentagon, or are they in on this too?

Edited February 21, 2007 by Gemmill

[Guest alex]

The one conspiracy theory about the whole thing is the Pentagon hit. Never seen a plane leave such a neat whole and no wreckage before.

 

Perhaps because a similar event has never happened?

 

Passenger jets rarely hit buildings, even less so at that trajectory. The Pentagon is possibly unique in its design and construction.

 

Yes but they crash often and always leave a lot of wreckage and bags strewn all over the place.

 

Which crash are you comparing it to then?

 

This is a good site. Note the gouged earth.

 

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles...anecrashes.html

 

 

I see this has gone un-answered by the "experts" on here.

SSH already did. Anyway, you've got a cheek with "experts", you've backed up absolute nothing you've said in this thread. No doubt you could tell us, but you'd have to kill us.

 

No he didnt he just asked why gouged earth would be important. And that would be because a plane that flies into a relatively short building would either gouge the earth going into it or clip it and go over the top.

Oh yes he did.

[Renton 22414]

Any mention from the airline about their plane that supposedly flew (or didn't) into the Pentagon, or are they in on this too?

 

With mind control apparatus and amnesia guns only one person would need to be involved, if that.

[Guest alex]

Any mention from the airline about their plane that supposedly flew (or didn't) into the Pentagon, or are they in on this too?

They were all taken to Roswell and probed by aliens.

[Gemmill 47092]

Any mention from the airline about their plane that supposedly flew (or didn't) into the Pentagon, or are they in on this too?

 

With mind control apparatus and amnesia guns only one person would need to be involved, if that.

 

It's the MIBs.....huh....Here come the MIBs!

[Guest alex]

KCG's is clearly acquiring material for his latest stand-up routine tbh.

[Park Life 71]

The conspiracy full timers:

 

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=1033

 

 

 

Nutters go toe to toe:

 

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=4084

 

 

Omissions: no eyewitness reports of explosions. No FDNY testimonies. No quotes from anchors. No mention of FAA records being destroyed. No sustained shots of the WTC1 & 2 'collapses' showing explosive force . No mention of debris hurled 400 feet sideways. No molten metal. No Thermite. No Steven Jones. No David Ray Griffin. No mention of 4,000,000 views of Loose Change. No 85 confiscated videos at Pentagon. No Minetta testimony. No skeptic eyewitnesses at pentagon or Shanksville. No no-planes. No DEWs. No free-fall speed. No clear clip of WTC7. No toxic dust. No dying responders. No big-names ( Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts, Von Buelow, Meacher, Sheen, Lynch etc etc). No polls. No BBC report that 5 of hijackers still alive. No UBL denial . No insider dealing . No Giuliani, No Silverstein

No Marvin Bush. No 'Pull it' No Danny Jowenko. No Bush at Booker. No CIA funding of Al-Qaeda. No Northwoods. No power-downs at WTC. No sniffer dogs.

No Willy Rodriguez. No Rick Siegel . No 911truth.org.

 

Distortions: WTC7 shown four times in weakest shot (the one used for Berger CNN interview where 7 is half hidden). Impression of scientists v. isolated fanatical individuals. Alex Jones as cult-leader at quasi- evangelical 'rally'. Fetzer in close-up moving his head around a lot . Only Dylan held his cool and in one classic scene when interviewed about Wally Miller he exuded seething if controlled anger. Strawmen like '4,000 Jews' used to discredit whole range of 911 skepticism. Presented 'evidence' of UA93 crash as Bandana and Passport, then said , "In the face of ALL THIS,some still believe it was a conspiracy."

 

Lies: "WTC 7 was a raging inferno"."Flight 11 took off that morning". OGCT presented as fact.

X-files writer-"To think that the US government contains mass-murderers is preposterous". Popular Mechanics given credibility as ordinary down to-earth magazine.

 

Ended by trying to boil down the whole movement to FBI's admission of failure to act on intelligence supplied to CIA. ''The American people were failed" .

Concluding words of V/O: "The other conspiracy theories are just that - theories.

The evidence doesn't support them.

 

We were never shown that evidence."

Edited February 21, 2007 by Parky

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

If it was a missile, how do you explain the blast? It looks distinctly like a jet fuel explosion. Missiles are either equipped with an inncedary warhead or a penetrative warhead. Some do both, however, in that case the explsosion would have to come from deep inside the building. Secondly, single point incendary explosions do not look like the explosion seen on that camera.

[Park Life 71]

If it was a missile, how do you explain the blast? It looks distinctly like a jet fuel explosion. Missiles are either equipped with an inncedary warhead or a penetrative warhead. Some do both, however, in that case the explsosion would have to come from deep inside the building. Secondly, single point incendary explosions do not look like the explosion seen on that camera.

 

You're right it does look like a jet fuel explosion..

[Renton 22414]

If it was a missile, how do you explain the blast? It looks distinctly like a jet fuel explosion. Missiles are either equipped with an inncedary warhead or a penetrative warhead. Some do both, however, in that case the explsosion would have to come from deep inside the building. Secondly, single point incendary explosions do not look like the explosion seen on that camera.

 

You're right it does look like a jet fuel explosion..

 

One that would be consistent with a large passenger hitting a reinforced wall at 400 mph?

 

Anyway Parky, are you going to answer any questions posed to you or is this asking too much?

[Park Life 71]

If it was a missile, how do you explain the blast? It looks distinctly like a jet fuel explosion. Missiles are either equipped with an inncedary warhead or a penetrative warhead. Some do both, however, in that case the explsosion would have to come from deep inside the building. Secondly, single point incendary explosions do not look like the explosion seen on that camera.

 

You're right it does look like a jet fuel explosion..

 

One that would be consistent with a large passenger hitting a reinforced wall at 400 mph?

 

Anyway Parky, are you going to answer any questions posed to you or is this asking too much?

 

*Parky lights another huge cigar*

[Guest alex]

That's a 'no' btw

[Renton 22414]

Btw, how hard would it be for "them" to fake some footage? Harder than rigging the WTC with explosives unnoticed? Harder than arranging a massive cover up? Harder than hiding a 757 in some mysterious location? Harder than faking phone calls from terrified passengers to their loved ones, live? I'm dying to hear how they did the last one tbh.

[Gemmill 47092]

Btw, how hard would it be for "them" to fake some footage? Harder than rigging the WTC with explosives unnoticed? Harder than arranging a massive cover up? Harder than hiding a 757 in some mysterious location? Harder than faking phone calls from terrified passengers to their loved ones, live? I'm dying to hear how they did the last one tbh.

 

Don't forget the airline in all of this. They have to be complicit in the disappearance of the plane. They would also have had to mock up any air traffic control messages from the pilot as well. And presumably somehow they managed to make a missile look as big as a plane on the ATC radars. Oh, and it would have to travel as slowly as a plane as well. And on the original plane's flight path.

 

And where are the passengers? Were they exterminated?

 

I definitely think the conspiracy theorists have the upper hand in all of this.

[manc-mag 1]

Btw, how hard would it be for "them" to fake some footage? Harder than rigging the WTC with explosives unnoticed? Harder than arranging a massive cover up? Harder than hiding a 757 in some mysterious location? Harder than faking phone calls from terrified passengers to their loved ones, live? I'm dying to hear how they did the last one tbh.

 

Probably used one of those 0898 wind-up call services