Tooj 17 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Maldini for one of the defensive spots perhaps, admittedly spent most of his career at full back but I reckon he warrants a place somewhere in the backline. The thing with Maldini as well is a lot of people don't know he's right footed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Look at what Bayern Munich were before Muller joined them. And Beckenbauer Beckenbauer has said in the past Bayern would have been nowhere without Muller. Both equally important though surely. And while Muller would probably be one of the top 20 player of all-time, you could make a case for Beckenbauer being top 5. Certainly peerless as a defender, even though there was much more to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Look at what Bayern Munich were before Muller joined them. And Beckenbauer Beckenbauer has said in the past Bayern would have been nowhere without Muller. Do you think Beckenbauer would come out and say they'd have been nowhere without himself though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Maldini for one of the defensive spots perhaps, admittedly spent most of his career at full back but I reckon he warrants a place somewhere in the backline. The thing with Maldini as well is a lot of people don't know he's right footed. Aye, amazing. Two-footed in the true sense of the word, but naturally right-footed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Look at what Bayern Munich were before Muller joined them. And Beckenbauer Beckenbauer has said in the past Bayern would have been nowhere without Muller. Do you think Beckenbauer would come out and say they'd have been nowhere without himself though? If he had the ego of someone like Romario then he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Easier to score in? If you're using that logic it was probably harder for Heskey to score for Leicester than Shearer to score for Newcastle Ergo Heskey > Shearer > Muller? Yes....that was the absolute extent of my argument. It had no other basis at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Look at what Bayern Munich were before Muller joined them. And Beckenbauer Beckenbauer has said in the past Bayern would have been nowhere without Muller. Do you think Beckenbauer would come out and say they'd have been nowhere without himself though? If he had the ego of someone like Romario then he would. Precisely and he'd have been right to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) Yes....that was the absolute extent of my argument. It had no other basis at all. Heskey has more medals than Shearer as well tbh Edited February 15, 2007 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Easier to score in? If you're using that logic it was probably harder for Heskey to score for Leicester than Shearer to score for Newcastle Ergo Heskey > Shearer > Muller? Yes....that was the absolute extent of my argument. It had no other basis at all. Heskey has more medals than Shearer as well tbh Are you trying to prove my point for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? Edited February 15, 2007 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Simply awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5C_QiVVrQ0 goalhanger tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Speaking of which, honourable mention to Jimmy Greaves. I think John Charles would have to come into the equation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Just about to mention Greaves, goal record far oustrips Shearer's and had he been in the WC final winning team he would be untouchable as England's number 1 forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Just about to mention Greaves, goal record far oustrips Shearer's and had he been in the WC final winning team he would be untouchable as England's number 1 forward. He was injured before the tournament so, iirc, the reason Ramsay never played him was because it was the last tournament (World Cup that is) where subs weren't allowed. My Dad reckons he used to pass it into the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Bobby Charlton deserves a mention somewhere in here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Bobby Charlton deserves a mention somewhere in here as well. Like in the first post in the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? You don't accept my point about goal ratios (fair enough), I can't figure out your point about medals (mine is that theyre largely meaningless-How many European Cups has Seedorf won/how many World Cups did George Best have a chance at winning) and beyond that you'll concede that neither of us have submitted a detailed treaties on the art or science of goalscoring. Your initial post was simply that Muller should be in ahead of Shearer. It's about opinions basically. For what it's worth my view is based on their technical abilities coupled with their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. If all other conditions were equal I would say you would be extremely hard placed to distinguish between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 68 Goals in 62 Games for W Germany is a major factor as well and the highest WC goalscorer until Ronaldo overtook him last year. 427 Games 365 Goals for B Munich as well Shearer isn't really in the same league tbh Muller played for Bayern Munich and West Germany Shearer played for Newcastle United and England Compare the achievements of the teams over their respective playing periods and tell me which ones it was easier to score for fun in. Look at what Bayern Munich were before Muller joined them. And Beckenbauer Beckenbauer has said in the past Bayern would have been nowhere without Muller. Do you think Beckenbauer would come out and say they'd have been nowhere without himself though? Yes. He comes out and says a lot things, mostly not knowing what he wanted to say at the end of the sentence. He also said that they (he) had been nowhere without their hard working defender 'Katsche' Schwarzenbeck and midfield player 'Bulle' Roth as well as goalie Sepp Maier who all came through the ranks with Beckenbauer and Müller and formed the team that won everything unto the mid 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? You don't accept my point about goal ratios (fair enough), I can't figure out your point about medals (mine is that theyre largely meaningless-How many European Cups has Seedorf won/how many World Cups did George Best have a chance at winning) and beyond that you'll concede that neither of us have submitted a detailed treaties on the art or science of goalscoring. Your initial post was simply that Muller should be in ahead of Shearer. It's about opinions basically. For what it's worth my view is based on their technical abilities coupled with their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. If all other conditions were equal I would say you would be extremely hard placed to distinguish between them. That's open to debate as judging ability is down to opinion. Goal record is fact. You're only saying medals are meaningless because it doesn't back up your Shearer argument tbh. The sheer notion that medals are meaningless is bollocks unless you're Alan Shearer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Btw Andreas Brehme wouldn't be too far behind Maldini imo. I think he was actually right-footed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? You don't accept my point about goal ratios (fair enough), I can't figure out your point about medals (mine is that theyre largely meaningless-How many European Cups has Seedorf won/how many World Cups did George Best have a chance at winning) and beyond that you'll concede that neither of us have submitted a detailed treaties on the art or science of goalscoring. Your initial post was simply that Muller should be in ahead of Shearer. It's about opinions basically. For what it's worth my view is based on their technical abilities coupled with their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. If all other conditions were equal I would say you would be extremely hard placed to distinguish between them. That's open to debate as judging ability is down to opinion. Goal record is fact. You're only saying medals are meaningless because it doesn't back up your Shearer argument tbh. The sheer notion that medals are meaningless is bollocks unless you're Alan Shearer.. Medals aren't that useful in comparing individual players though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? You don't accept my point about goal ratios (fair enough), I can't figure out your point about medals (mine is that theyre largely meaningless-How many European Cups has Seedorf won/how many World Cups did George Best have a chance at winning) and beyond that you'll concede that neither of us have submitted a detailed treaties on the art or science of goalscoring. Your initial post was simply that Muller should be in ahead of Shearer. It's about opinions basically. For what it's worth my view is based on their technical abilities coupled with their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. If all other conditions were equal I would say you would be extremely hard placed to distinguish between them. That's open to debate as judging ability is down to opinion. Goal record is fact. You're only saying medals are meaningless because it doesn't back up your Shearer argument tbh. The sheer notion that medals are meaningless is bollocks unless you're Alan Shearer.. Meaningless is too strong a word perhaps....but to prove just how much you've over egged the pudding with your parting comment, I only have to use the analogy of Shearer going to Man U instead of us. He'd have had half a dozen league medeals and a European Cup. Exactly the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Cripes, chaps, the fuck is wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 When you haven't even outlined a basis for your argument? You've just said Shearer was as good with absolutely no case to back it up? You don't accept my point about goal ratios (fair enough), I can't figure out your point about medals (mine is that theyre largely meaningless-How many European Cups has Seedorf won/how many World Cups did George Best have a chance at winning) and beyond that you'll concede that neither of us have submitted a detailed treaties on the art or science of goalscoring. Your initial post was simply that Muller should be in ahead of Shearer. It's about opinions basically. For what it's worth my view is based on their technical abilities coupled with their ability to put the ball in the back of the net. If all other conditions were equal I would say you would be extremely hard placed to distinguish between them. With the difference that many goals of Müller were crucial. I don't think anyone here in Germany could think of the successes of the German and Bayern teams in the 70s without the deciding goals from Müller, especially in tense finals and crucial matches. I think that is what Shearer lacks, important matches where he was the deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Not really, Shearer could have been a better player at Man Utd than at Newcastle. Players ability doesn't just stand still, he could have improved more there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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