So You Think You Can Nurse?

[Ally 0]

My Dad is a headteacher, Mam is a teacher so know a canny bit about it. Both work from about 8-6 at the school, come back home, have tea and then work again until they go to bed. They only ever really take Saturdays off as they've too much work to do and have to work on a Sunday too.

 

Not saying that other people don't work hard, but teachers do get a fucking hard deal. All on top of ridiculous targets by the government. My Mam is retiring early at the end of this year, well and truly had enough of it taking over her life. Dad would do the same but we can't afford to have neither of them earning. Theres barely anyone left from that generation now in teaching, they've all just had enough of it.

[Shearergol 0]

I'm not a teacher by the way. My parents both were, and my sister is. I was put off it by my parents.

 

How I ended up working in a school I'll never know. I work more hours than the teachers without the holidays too

[Guest Patrokles]

Also people seem to be forgetting to consider Primary School teachers in this equation.

[Ally 0]

Also people seem to be forgetting to consider Primary School teachers in this equation.

 

In what way? My bit above was in reference to primary schools, if it wasn't clear.

[Guest Patrokles]

Also people seem to be forgetting to consider Primary School teachers in this equation.

 

In what way? My bit above was in reference to primary schools, if it wasn't clear.

 

I meant the omniscient critics in this thread.

[Rob W 0]

Oh aye - all teachers spend all their time working on school work, preparing lessons, marking etc etc

 

I don't think so

 

AS the thread above shows they don't even teach full-time

 

then they get "Baker Days" 'n aall

 

What really gets me tho is that they are never held responsible for the appalling performance of their work

 

In any other part of life a persistent, serious underperformance in what you do would lead to mass sackings - for years now they have been turning out kids that can't read and write - they blame everyone else whereas in fact they just aren't doing their jobs

[Guest Patrokles]

Oh aye - all teachers spend all their time working on school work, preparing lessons, marking etc etc

 

I don't think so

 

AS the thread above shows they don't even teach full-time

 

then they get "Baker Days" 'n aall

 

What really gets me tho is that they are never held responsible for the appalling performance of their work

 

In any other part of life a persistent, serious underperformance in what you do would lead to mass sackings - for years now they have been turning out kids that can't read and write - they blame everyone else whereas in fact they just aren't doing their jobs

 

Why do you persist in talking about something you clearly know little about?

[Guest alex]

if its soooooooooooooooo bad why not quit????

 

You'd get regular hours and more pay workign at a call centre if what you say is correct

 

No offence to anyone that does work in a call centre, but I didn't go to university for 3 years to do that. The wages are crap for what we do, but they're enough that I can live independently on my own and not have to worry about job insecurity. We do get put upon and guilt-tripped, but at the end of the day I love what I do and I'm good at it. I won't do it forever and I'm looking at other avenues to go down, but it's a secure job and it pays the bills.

 

Have you ever had to be admitted to hospital and seen what actually goes on, Rob? Genuine question.

 

funnily enough when I was younger I used to go into the local hospital 5 days a week - I've seen someone fall over with a heart attack and be resusitated, babies with serious burns and smokers wards (which is why I never smoked) as well as some poor folk with serious mental problems

 

I can remember the days when every morning the general ward would have a couple of new people who had hit the windscreen of their cars (no seat belts.....) and also people dripping some pretty grim bodily fluids for months

 

One of my best friends is a very senior doctor and my neighbour is a GP

 

It just seems to me that teachers and the medical profession seem to go on and on about how tough their lives are when, in fact, they aren't that bad at all

Now there's a surprise

[Gemmill 44090]

Oh aye - all teachers spend all their time working on school work, preparing lessons, marking etc etc

 

I don't think so

 

AS the thread above shows they don't even teach full-time

 

then they get "Baker Days" 'n aall

 

What really gets me tho is that they are never held responsible for the appalling performance of their work

 

In any other part of life a persistent, serious underperformance in what you do would lead to mass sackings - for years now they have been turning out kids that can't read and write - they blame everyone else whereas in fact they just aren't doing their jobs

 

Why do you persist in talking about something you clearly know little about?

 

Get used to it mate. It's not so much the talking about things he knows nothing about, it's more the way he positions himself as some sort of an expert on everything.

[Guest alex]

Rob's just on the wind-up tbh. So obvious. Watch him deny it though

[Rob W 0]

well why do schools & techers continue to turn out kids that can't read & write?

 

Simple question I think

 

If Ford built cars and 20% of them were deficient you'd see some changes

 

even the medical profession does better than teachers

 

but they never seem to lose their jobs...........................

 

perhaps if they did we'd see some improvement

[Guest alex]

well why do schools & techers continue to turn out kids that can't read & write?

 

Simple question I think

 

If Ford built cars and 20% of them were deficient you'd see some changes

 

even the medical profession does better than teachers

 

but they never seem to lose their jobs...........................

 

perhaps if they did we'd see some improvement

Not like your day, eh?

[Rob W 0]

Christ!

 

We had teachers who could teach you to read and write - they beat it into you and no mistake. Never learnt owt else but................

 

I just want to hear why they can't do it these days.................

 

and before anyone asks I went to a "seriously disadvantaged" school in modern terminology

[The Fish 10659]

because these days the teachers are so shackled by liberal sandalistas they can't properly discipline kids?

 

do your home work!

no, you can't make me and if you touch me or raise your voice I'll sue!

well... erm... go to the headmaster!

no...

I'm glad we had this chat then.

[manc-mag 1]

Ref the allegations that 'teachers nowadays' can't teach, I think thats bollocks. There have been bad teachers since the dawn of time and they've been allowed to carry on unregulated-thats now beginning to change for the better.

 

The bigger problem these days is that the authority of the teacher is challenged by parental attitudes in the home. If a kid used to get a clip from a teacher/police officer etc (and I only mean a corrective admonishment-I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp) then the parent traditionally supported that action. Nowadays theyre coming into the schools, threatening reprisals ffs.

[Rob W 0]

Ref the allegations that 'teachers nowadays' can't teach, I think thats bollocks. There have been bad teachers since the dawn of time and they've been allowed to carry on unregulated-thats now beginning to change for the better.

 

The bigger problem these days is that the authority of the teacher is challenged by parental attitudes in the home. If a kid used to get a clip from a teacher/police officer etc (and I only mean a corrective admonishment-I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp) then the parent traditionally supported that action. Nowadays theyre coming into the schools, threatening reprisals ffs.

 

"I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp"

 

 

I was -

 

not saying I'd like to see it come back but by God we all knew there was a direct, certain, quick & painful punishment if the work wasn't done - concertrated the mind for sure

[Gemmill 44090]

Ref the allegations that 'teachers nowadays' can't teach, I think thats bollocks. There have been bad teachers since the dawn of time and they've been allowed to carry on unregulated-thats now beginning to change for the better.

 

The bigger problem these days is that the authority of the teacher is challenged by parental attitudes in the home. If a kid used to get a clip from a teacher/police officer etc (and I only mean a corrective admonishment-I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp) then the parent traditionally supported that action. Nowadays theyre coming into the schools, threatening reprisals ffs.

 

"I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp"

 

 

I was -

 

not saying I'd like to see it come back but by God we all knew there was a direct, certain, quick & painful punishment if the work wasn't done - concertrated the mind for sure

 

That must be how you became an expert in any and every field. It was beaten into you.

[Guest Patrokles]

Ref the allegations that 'teachers nowadays' can't teach, I think thats bollocks. There have been bad teachers since the dawn of time and they've been allowed to carry on unregulated-thats now beginning to change for the better.

 

The bigger problem these days is that the authority of the teacher is challenged by parental attitudes in the home. If a kid used to get a clip from a teacher/police officer etc (and I only mean a corrective admonishment-I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp) then the parent traditionally supported that action. Nowadays theyre coming into the schools, threatening reprisals ffs.

 

"I'm not talking being physically beaten to a pulp"

 

 

I was -

 

not saying I'd like to see it come back but by God we all knew there was a direct, certain, quick & painful punishment if the work wasn't done - concertrated the mind for sure

 

That must be how you became an expert in any and every field. It was beaten into you.

 

It certainly had some kind of effect.

[Rob W 0]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

[Guest Patrokles]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

 

I'd be willing to bet, based on the way you post & argue, that my reading and writing skills are better than yours, despite the decades of time between our respective schooling.

[Park Life 71]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

 

There were many beatings to be had at my Catholic boarding school. I started enjoying it after a while.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Parky

[The Fish 10659]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

Duck and Cover! Random made-up stat attack!

 

I think teachers have been emasculated because of the furor surrounding child abuse. I don't think thrashing them til they bleed is neccesarily the answer either.

 

I notice how Rob has stopped blaming the teachers now though....

[Park Life 71]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

Duck and Cover! Random made-up stat attack!

 

I think teachers have been emasculated because of the furor surrounding child abuse. I don't think thrashing them til they bleed is neccesarily the answer either.

 

I notice how Rob has stopped blaming the teachers now though....

 

The threat of a good thrashing is normally enough. It is neccessary in some cases. Schools these days I suspect are too easy.

[manc-mag 1]

Incalculating a strong desire for learning m'lad is how the headmaster put it as he bared his arm and gave the cat a few swings...........

 

but then I came out and could read and write - which puts me ahead of 99% of the great british public

 

no wonder I seem to know so much more than the rest of you about certain things (but not EVERYTHING - motor cycles are a closed book to me - as are the workks of Jane Austen)

Duck and Cover! Random made-up stat attack!

 

I think teachers have been emasculated because of the furor surrounding child abuse. I don't think thrashing them til they bleed is neccesarily the answer either.

 

I notice how Rob has stopped blaming the teachers now though....

 

The threat of a good thrashing is normally enough. It is neccessary in some cases. Schools these days I suspect are too easy.

 

Could be applied to underperforming pupils and staff tbh.

[Guest Patrokles]

Personally I think there's a general malaise in British society and that this is to blame for the apathy/attitude of many kids, rather than their schooling/teachers. Eg, I bet truancy levels are significantly higher than they used to be. How can you blame poor teaching if kids never go to be taught? Truancy is obviously an extreme example, but the principle is there.