Invicta_Toon 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 If the Dutch salvage company clearing the Napoli is landing the containers on Portland, don't we get first dibs? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6309747.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! According to the law, it's okay to do that. People were just looting the whole lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22641 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! According to the law, it's okay to do that. People were just looting the whole lot! No. it's not. Theft pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! According to the law, it's okay to do that. People were just looting the whole lot! No. it's not. Theft pure and simple. You're wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4456 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 You have to register what you find with the "receiver of wrecks" who techically owns the goods - none of the scousers on the beach did that so were breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22641 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! According to the law, it's okay to do that. People were just looting the whole lot! No. it's not. Theft pure and simple. You're wrong again. You're wrong I'm afraid. The people breaking into containers and polluting the beach are scumbags imo. These items belong to people. One unfortunate woman witnessed her family heirlooms smashed to pieces on TV by these lovable looters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I read some of those motorbikes washed up in a container and people turned up and carried them off! According to the law, it's okay to do that. People were just looting the whole lot! No. it's not. Theft pure and simple. You're wrong again. You're wrong I'm afraid. The people breaking into containers and polluting the beach are scumbags imo. These items belong to people. One unfortunate woman witnessed her family heirlooms smashed to pieces on TV by these lovable looters. Scumbags, yes, but not law-breakers. As long as they make an effort to notify the official owners, then they can take what they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@yourservice 67 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Every man for himself jim lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4456 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Doesn't contradict what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22641 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Doesn't contradict what I'm saying. It makes you either somewhat pedantic or dishonest though, your initial implication was clear enough. Do you think the people who took the bikes will declare them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Doesn't contradict what I'm saying. It makes you either somewhat pedantic or dishonest though, your initial implication was clear enough. Do you think the people who took the bikes will declare them? My initial post said that according to the law, it's okay to take the stuff. That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22641 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Doesn't contradict what I'm saying. It makes you either somewhat pedantic or dishonest though, your initial implication was clear enough. Do you think the people who took the bikes will declare them? My initial post said that according to the law, it's okay to take the stuff. That's true. Depends what you mean by "take" though. To me that suggests keeping it, which clearly is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10049 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I saw one bloke on TV who was asked, if he was going to declare, what he had taken. He just said: "Of course I will declare it ... I herewith declare that it is mine." Don't know if the idiot already got a visit from the coppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 As long as they declared what they were looting there wasn't a problem although there may be come backs, according to the news report when it first happened. I would have been more interested in what's sank in shallow water than whats on the beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, it is an offence for people to remove items from a wreck if they conceal or keep possession of cargo and refuse to surrender it. BBC Story Doesn't contradict what I'm saying. It makes you either somewhat pedantic or dishonest though, your initial implication was clear enough. Do you think the people who took the bikes will declare them? BMW know the chassis numbers of the missing bikes and will inform the DVLA making them impossible to register / insure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Just sell them for parts then. No harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Just sell them for parts then. No harm done. Exactly - there was a container full of bmw gearboxes washed up as well. they were carted off anarl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 (edited) I went down to Branscombe beach (I live in Sidmouth) on the Monday after it happened and although there were quite a few folk on the beach most people wer registering the stuff they found with the authorities and the police were handing out forms. Later that day it started to get out of hand and many people in the village had there property damaged or stolen (mainly wheelie bins) which people used to take there loot away from the area. I did see 2 BMW bikes on the back of pick up trucks and about 20 gear boxes on pallets ready to be picked up, but most people mainly women were sifting through the L'oreal skin products that had been washed up. My skin has never been so GOOOOOD!!! Edited January 29, 2007 by BigAl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 So the poliss were letting people take the stuff as long as they filled in a form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta_Toon 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 so no one can answer the original question then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 so no one can answer the original question then I would have thought the salvage company will work with insurers to make sure as much stuff as possible is reunited with its rightful owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Salvage is easy - whoever towed the boat ashore either struck a deal with the owners or, if they did under straight salvage conditions, are entitled to up to 50% of the value of the ship and cargo. I guess the owners cut a deal with Smit -Lloyd for something less - most people do.................. Once they start unloading the cargo on behalf of the owners it still belongs to the owners the stuff washed up on the beach also belongs to the owners - HOWEVER it can be taken by anyone who passes by. They don't own it and are legally supposed to hand it back to the owners if they ask for it. As they have "removed it from danger" they are entitled to argue for a fee. If the owners decide (as they certainly will) to claim on insurance the rights to the cargo revert to the Insurance Company who will try and reclaim as much as they think is worth the effort....................... The costs of refurbing the stuff once it has been exposed to seas water makes it likely that no-one will bother. People like BMW will probably not want folk flogging the gearboxes etc as new and sure as hell there will be no warranty but the last thing they really want is all that stuff back that they will have to sell as "refurbed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta_Toon 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 nah Rob, the coastguard beached the boat it's the issue of a Dutch company is salvaging the cargo, i.e. it is thers to claim, but it is being landed on british soil, so can we claim it, or tax it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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