Rob W 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Schelswig_Holstein is in Denmark No doubt Adolf was actually starting a war against mexico when he invaded Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9680 Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 hamburg (although technically danish) Wolfgang, everyone knows that Hamburg was part of Denmark until 150 years ago! Sammy you shouldn't follow your role model Craig M. and really take your fingers off German beer. Your brain obviously can't cope with it. The last time Hamburg had some sort of Danish administration was sometime in the 13th century. The city was part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and a free imperial city since the 17th century and even kept this title after the Empire was dissolved early in the 19th century. Kiel wasn't Danish either. The part of todays Germany that was Danish is Schleswig (with the city Schleswig) which was a Danish fiefdom. As KGC rightly said this part was in the centre of terriorial disputes between Prussia/Germany and Denmark in the 19th century. Class dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 hamburg (although technically danish) Wolfgang, everyone knows that Hamburg was part of Denmark until 150 years ago! Sammy you shouldn't follow your role model Craig M. and really take your fingers off German beer. Your brain obviously can't cope with it. The last time Hamburg had some sort of Danish administration was sometime in the 13th century. The city was part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and a free imperial city since the 17th century and even kept this title after the Empire was dissolved early in the 19th century. Kiel wasn't Danish either. The part of todays Germany that was Danish is Schleswig (with the city Schleswig) which was a Danish fiefdom. As KGC rightly said this part was in the centre of terriorial disputes between Prussia/Germany and Denmark in the 19th century. Class dismissed. Sorry master it appears grasshopper has not learnt from the wise one Plus Wolfie boy, I remember reading in one of the many pieces of propaganda prior to my experiencing your wunderbar land that it was previously danish. My mistake, like obviously being 'stralian. Wikipedia has this to say: In 1529 the city embraced Lutheranism, and Hamburg subsequently received Protestant refugees from the Netherlands and France. Hamburg was at times under Danish sovereignty while remaining part of the Holy Roman Empire as an Imperial Free City. Briefly annexed by Napoleon I (1810-14), Hamburg suffered severely during his last campaign in Germany. The city was besieged for over a year by Allied forces (mostly Russian, Swedish and German). Russian forces under General Bennigsen finally freed the city in 1814. Come to think about it maybe it was Lubeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9680 Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 Come to think about it maybe it was Lubeck Nah, Lübeck neither. For Lübeck applies the same as for the other parts of northern Germany. There were a lot struggles between the Danish Kings and these parts, but they were formally and technically parts of Germany. Some parts were at some times governed by Denmark in personal union (the king being duke of Schleswig and Holstein), but this didn't make them technically Danish either. As well as Hannover wasn't English for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta_Toon 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I was born in Hannover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Was it not the Schleswig -Holstein Question of which Bismark - said "only three people in Europe understand it ; one is dead, one is mad and I've forgotten" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_NUFC 0 Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Schleswig-Holstein was disputed territory between Denmark and Prussia. There were parts ruled by Denmark, but populated by Germans. In 1846, when many believed that Denmark threatened to take German parts of Schleswig-Holstein, there was a chant which was popular at the time. Wir rufen Nein! und aber Nein zu solchen Einverleiben Wir wollen keine Danen sein Wir wollen Deutsche bleiben We cry No! and No again to any Annexation We don't want to be Danes We want to remain German Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Austria and Prussia had over many years been in conflict over the territories of Schleswig Holstein in what was Danish territory. Austria wished to maintain it’s place of prominence in the German confederation. Bismarck had designs on Annexing the states . Bismarck saw the area of Danzig and the naval base of Kiel as strategically important to Prussian dominance . Matters started to deteriorate in earnest when King Frederick of Denmark died in 1863 . Prince Christian of Glűcksburg became King. The next Day Frederick of Augustenberg proclaimed himself duke of Schleswig Holstein and claimed the Duchy an independent state . The Diet of the German confederation along with Austria wanted recognition for this. Bismarck did not. Going against the whole of the Diet, he manoeuvred against this. Firstly he ensured through diplomacy that France and Russia would not become involved in any war with Austria. Prussia then invaded Schleswig Holstein and ordered the Austrian troops to depart. Much to Bismarck’s annoyance they did so. However shortly after Italy mobilised with the Prussian promise to uphold it’s claims on Venetia. With Austria mobilised Prussia offered an ultimatum to Saxony, Hanover and Hesse Cassel. These were not satisfactorily answered . On the 16th of June 1866 Prussia invaded. “Contemporaries expected a long war ending in Austrian supremacy” . They were wrong within 7 weeks it was all over. With the decisive battle of the war taking place at Koniggratz (Sadowa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 The verb "verschlimmbessern". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Austria and Prussia had over many years been in conflict over the territories of Schleswig Holstein in what was Danish territory. Austria wished to maintain it’s place of prominence in the German confederation. Bismarck had designs on Annexing the states . Bismarck saw the area of Danzig and the naval base of Kiel as strategically important to Prussian dominance . Matters started to deteriorate in earnest when King Frederick of Denmark died in 1863 . Prince Christian of Glűcksburg became King. The next Day Frederick of Augustenberg proclaimed himself duke of Schleswig Holstein and claimed the Duchy an independent state . The Diet of the German confederation along with Austria wanted recognition for this. Bismarck did not. Going against the whole of the Diet, he manoeuvred against this. Firstly he ensured through diplomacy that France and Russia would not become involved in any war with Austria. Prussia then invaded Schleswig Holstein and ordered the Austrian troops to depart. Much to Bismarck’s annoyance they did so. However shortly after Italy mobilised with the Prussian promise to uphold it’s claims on Venetia. With Austria mobilised Prussia offered an ultimatum to Saxony, Hanover and Hesse Cassel. These were not satisfactorily answered . On the 16th of June 1866 Prussia invaded. “Contemporaries expected a long war ending in Austrian supremacy” . They were wrong within 7 weeks it was all over. With the decisive battle of the war taking place at Koniggratz (Sadowa) So technically 150 years ago Hamburg wasn't part of Deutchsland? See Wolfie, I told you it's not technically Jorman By the way it's one of the coolest, no not temperature wise but probably during winter, cities in the world and if you get a chance to go - GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Germany as we know it barely existed back then anyway, so it's a moot point really. It'd be like going to Kaliningrad and telling them they're all German or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) Germany as we know it barely existed back then anyway, so it's a moot point really. It'd be like going to Kaliningrad and telling them they're all German or something. I know that Meenzer but it's good to get Wolfie involved in the conversation. Plus it gives me an opportunity to mention another good thing about Jormany. St Pauli the football club - where else in the world would a team wear a shite brown jersey??? And have a cross dressing, drag performing chairman? Edited January 30, 2007 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Gotta love Pauli. Even if they are as shite as their tops are brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Gotta love Pauli. Even if they are as shite as their tops are brown. Looks like HSV Hamburg are trying to join them in the lower leagues - teach them to wear white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 "HSV Hamburg" just reminds me of when German commentators say "Arsenal London" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9680 Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 So technically 150 years ago Hamburg wasn't part of Deutchsland? No, it was part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation until 1806. From 1815 to 1866 is was part of the "Deutscher Bund" (German confederacy) and afterwards (from 1871 onwards) part of the German national state, the Reich. At no point it was 'technically Danish'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I've got it in my head that Altona, at least, was properly Danish at some point or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9680 Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) I've got it in my head that Altona, at least, was properly Danish at some point or other. Same as with other parts, at one point (the extinction of the governing family of the Schauenburger) it got in the hand of the Danish King who was Herzog of Holstein. But this was a personal union and the parts were still a "German" fiefdom, which means the Danish King got technically the parts as a "loan" from the "German" King/Kaiser. Edited January 30, 2007 by Isegrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 That makes more sense now. Besides, who wants Altona anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Germany as we know it barely existed back then anyway, so it's a moot point really. It'd be like going to Kaliningrad and telling them they're all German or something. I wouldn't do either TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 "HSV Hamburg" just reminds me of when German commentators say "Arsenal London" It's for the benefit of the bairns. I've got it in my head that Altona, at least, was properly Danish at some point or other. Same as with other parts, at one point (the extinction of the governing family of the Schauenburger) it got in the hand of the Danish King who was Herzog of Holstein. But this was a personal union and the parts were still a "German" fiefdom, which means the Danish King got technically the parts as a "loan" from the "German" King/Kaiser. So technically Gooch is or isn't our player? Similar loans aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9680 Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 I've got it in my head that Altona, at least, was properly Danish at some point or other. Same as with other parts, at one point (the extinction of the governing family of the Schauenburger) it got in the hand of the Danish King who was Herzog of Holstein. But this was a personal union and the parts were still a "German" fiefdom, which means the Danish King got technically the parts as a "loan" from the "German" King/Kaiser. So technically Gooch is or isn't our player? Similar loans aren't they? If you loan someone your cangaroo porn dvd collection, would you be happy if he walks around claiming it's his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I've got it in my head that Altona, at least, was properly Danish at some point or other. Same as with other parts, at one point (the extinction of the governing family of the Schauenburger) it got in the hand of the Danish King who was Herzog of Holstein. But this was a personal union and the parts were still a "German" fiefdom, which means the Danish King got technically the parts as a "loan" from the "German" King/Kaiser. So technically Gooch is or isn't our player? Similar loans aren't they? If you loan someone your cangaroo porn dvd collection, would you be happy if he walks around claiming it's his? What the fuck is a cangaroo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 kraftwerk ulrich schnauss gerd muller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) Has anyone said Michael Schumacher yet? Edited January 30, 2007 by Dr Kenneth Noisewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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