Metro upgrade

[The Fish 11079]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

[Meenzer 15869]

The trouble with any trust-based system is that it's inevitably open to abuse. Non-gated transport might work fine in Germany, say, where there are obviously still people who don't pay but there's generally enough respect for the system (and prices are reasonable enough) that the vast majority buy their tickets normally. If the Metro bosses really think the current status quo is workable, they should imagine what it'd be like if the continental idea of racking up a tab at a pub then paying at the end of the night was introduced in Newcastle, say. Trust only works if you're offering it to people who can be (and are used to being) trusted...

 

A touchpad-based gate system like Oyster in London would be canny, though thenorthumbrian would no doubt go apeshit.

[The Fish 11079]

It pisses me off though how the inspectors blatently target commuters and turn a blind eye to charvers.

 

To anyone driving from Newcastle to the Coast, there are major road works on Jesmond Road at the moment. The result is carnage, as would be expected. Need to find a new route home for the next 8 weeks.

 

TBF they aren't trained specialists and don't need the bother of facing off with some heed the ball who's off his mash on Lambrini and uses the metro once a week to get to the new monkey.

 

It's not right, but perfectly understandable. The metro should be better policed but I think the inspectors are fine both in terms of numbers and when they're about.

 

Well we disagree then. Why should passengers put up with these shitheads whilst the inspectors congregate in huge groups to hit 99% fare paying passengers in rush hour? The system's a joke, and worse than any other one I have been to in the world, with the possible exception of New York.

 

The vast majority of Nexus income is from the weekday rush hour pass buyers though. Hammering them keeps the service going. It's not cost effective to have 15 inspectors getting paid to catch one arsehole at 11pm. If people are causing trouble on the metro, that's up to the police to sort out at the moment. It's not right like, I think the council should tell Nexus that after 8pm the metro's should have 'bouncers' because you get just as many pissed up tits on there as in any pub.

jesus, getting turned away from the Metro.. worse than the bouncers at Ikon not letting you in...

 

big problem with that is that I'm pretty sure the police would be quite pleased to see the idiots manage to get out of town and the Metro is the best way to get rid of them.

 

I think they should have floor to ceiling barriers which operate properly, only open for one person and validate tickets automatically

[Guest alex]

It pisses me off though how the inspectors blatently target commuters and turn a blind eye to charvers.

 

To anyone driving from Newcastle to the Coast, there are major road works on Jesmond Road at the moment. The result is carnage, as would be expected. Need to find a new route home for the next 8 weeks.

 

TBF they aren't trained specialists and don't need the bother of facing off with some heed the ball who's off his mash on Lambrini and uses the metro once a week to get to the new monkey.

 

It's not right, but perfectly understandable. The metro should be better policed but I think the inspectors are fine both in terms of numbers and when they're about.

 

Well we disagree then. Why should passengers put up with these shitheads whilst the inspectors congregate in huge groups to hit 99% fare paying passengers in rush hour? The system's a joke, and worse than any other one I have been to in the world, with the possible exception of New York.

I agree it's not the best but that's a bit OTT.

[Renton 22409]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

[themags 0]

you metro whingers wanna try taking a bus to work, now that is shit and you have to pay and you still get all the low lifes on there

[Sima 0]

 

The barriers were less than 3 foot tall and completely ineffectual. Plus they kept on breaking down so you couldn't validate your ticket (all stations had them). Don't know if it's an urban myth, but iirc at least two people were supposed to have had their necks broken when they bent down at a barrier to pick up a dropped ticket.

 

What's the metro like nowadays btw for regular users? Has it improved?

 

ahhahahaa wtf?

 

FATALITY!

[The Fish 11079]

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

hey I was young and impressionable.

 

I was lead astray by a bad crowd.

[Guest alex]

The Metro is better than the bus like. Without a doubt.

[Happy Face 29]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

 

What do you mean 'get rid' of them? You don't want them to be able even to buy a ticket? I think you would have stopped using the service even if big barriers forced everyone to pay.

[Guest alex]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

 

What do you mean 'get rid' of them? You don't want them to be able even to buy a ticket? I think you would have stopped using the service even if big barriers forced everyone to pay.

I think he's advocating a mass cull

[The Fish 11079]

I'll bring the buckshot and the twelve bore

[Ally 0]

Its all about trams tbh.

[The Fish 11079]

Its all about trams tbh.

I thought it was all about the Benjamins?

[Renton 22409]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

 

What do you mean 'get rid' of them? You don't want them to be able even to buy a ticket? I think you would have stopped using the service even if big barriers forced everyone to pay.

 

I'm talking about giving them restriction orders and banning them from the Metro so decent people can use it without fear or intimidation, or at the very least so the carriages aren't full of charver phlegm.

 

A cull would be preferable but alas I have some ethical concerns there, though they are disappearing.

[Happy Face 29]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

 

What do you mean 'get rid' of them? You don't want them to be able even to buy a ticket? I think you would have stopped using the service even if big barriers forced everyone to pay.

 

I'm talking about giving them restriction orders and banning them from the Metro so decent people can use it without fear or intimidation, or at the very least so the carriages aren't full of charver phlegm.

 

A cull would be preferable but alas I have some ethical concerns there, though they are disappearing.

 

ASBO's can and have already been handed out for the Metro system link, but you can only really do that when a crime is commited, not when someone has SCOOOTAAAH! banging on their phone and swings around the pole. It might make them tits, but you can't restrict their personal freedom because of it.

[Renton 22409]

when I worked at the ministry at Longbenton I'd get the Metro from Whitley Bay every morning I think I paid for it two or three times in the 2 years I used the Metro for that journey.

 

Never any inspectors, and the fine (at that time) was a tenner. I figured even if I got caught once a week it's still cheaper than paying £1.80 a journey.

 

about a year ago I was caught twice in two days and so got a £40 fine, paid up and have bought a ticket for every journey since. Hate having to use it though. Packed out with the worst humanity can sick up; charvas, drunks, old people and young mothers.

 

Add fare dodgers to that list.

 

HF, you say it isn't cost effective to get rid of the charver scum? I used to have an annual pass, but gave it up mainly because of this as well as the infrequency and unreliability of the trains. I now use a car. That's a customer lost forever. How's that cost effective?

 

What do you mean 'get rid' of them? You don't want them to be able even to buy a ticket? I think you would have stopped using the service even if big barriers forced everyone to pay.

 

I'm talking about giving them restriction orders and banning them from the Metro so decent people can use it without fear or intimidation, or at the very least so the carriages aren't full of charver phlegm.

 

A cull would be preferable but alas I have some ethical concerns there, though they are disappearing.

 

ASBO's can and have already been handed out for the Metro system link, but you can only really do that when a crime is commited, not when someone has SCOOOTAAAH! banging on their phone and swings around the pole. It might make them tits, but you can't restrict their personal freedom because of it.

 

Is spitting on the floor of the metro a crime? If not it should be. What about hurling abusive language at other passengers? Drinking alcohol? Feet on seats? All of these are examples of antisocial behavour and apply to 99% of charvers.

 

Out of interest, what do you attribute the diminishing use of the metro to at a time when traffic congestion is getting worse?

[Gemmill 47084]

As impractical as the stuff Renton is suggesting is, I'm with him on the general point that it is totally unacceptable that these lowlife scummers make the Metro an unpleasant and intimidating place for others. A lot more should be done to sort the problem out - I'm not sure how they'll do it like, cos no inspector is going to want to have to challenge anyone given how prevalent stabbings etc are (it's no consolation that your attacker has been caught on CCTV when you're bleeding to death), but it's completely out of order. Guess it's a problem of society in general though and not really Nexus' to sort out.

[Guest alex]

Why do they spit all the time by the way? Who told them that looks good?

[Gemmill 47084]

It's fucking revolting when you sit down at a chair and look down to find a puddle of gob on the floor. What possesses these little mongs to sit and just repeatedly spit? Argh I'm winding myself up just thinking about it.

[Guest alex]

As impractical as the stuff Renton is suggesting is, I'm with him on the general point that it is totally unacceptable that these lowlife scummers make the Metro an unpleasant and intimidating place for others. A lot more should be done to sort the problem out - I'm not sure how they'll do it like, cos no inspector is going to want to have to challenge anyone given how prevalent stabbings etc are (it's no consolation that your attacker has been caught on CCTV when you're bleeding to death), but it's completely out of order. Guess it's a problem of society in general though and not really Nexus' to sort out.

They've got the (forgotten the proper name) people who are there just to patrol the Metro and make it safer rather than check tickets. There should be more of them, obviously. It's up to Nexus to make their service safer though isn't it? That's part of the problem with society imo, individuals and organisations don't take responsibility because it's all 'a bigger problem with society'. Nexus should be doing more.

[Nobby 0]

The plans look great...the trains look fantastic.

 

 

link?

[Renton 22409]

As impractical as the stuff Renton is suggesting is, I'm with him on the general point that it is totally unacceptable that these lowlife scummers make the Metro an unpleasant and intimidating place for others. A lot more should be done to sort the problem out - I'm not sure how they'll do it like, cos no inspector is going to want to have to challenge anyone given how prevalent stabbings etc are (it's no consolation that your attacker has been caught on CCTV when you're bleeding to death), but it's completely out of order. Guess it's a problem of society in general though and not really Nexus' to sort out.

 

 

It is a problem of society (and a very under estimated one imo), but generally it is easy to avoid these scum as long as you are not unfortunate enough to live next to them. However, you can't avoid them on public transport, in fact it's worse because you can't even get away from them. Now if Nexus are serious in reviving the Metro, it is their duty to sort out their own "patch", preferably before going hand in cap to the government for millions of pounds in handouts.

 

Oh, and btw, the Metro from Town to Tynemouth is now 2.70 for a single ticket - that's about 4 euros I think. That is simply scandalous for a system that is run down, full of delinquents, infrequent, packed at rush hour, and prone to delays. Compare this to Europe where the same journey would cost you one euro and not have any of the above problems associated with it. Public transport in this country really is a national disgrace.

[Renton 22409]

Btw, Nexus are planning to spend 18 MILLION quid on upgrading Haymarket Metro. They have their priorities completely wrong imo. Another 7 million is going on Sunderland Metro which must be all of 5 years old.

[Gemmill 47084]

As impractical as the stuff Renton is suggesting is, I'm with him on the general point that it is totally unacceptable that these lowlife scummers make the Metro an unpleasant and intimidating place for others. A lot more should be done to sort the problem out - I'm not sure how they'll do it like, cos no inspector is going to want to have to challenge anyone given how prevalent stabbings etc are (it's no consolation that your attacker has been caught on CCTV when you're bleeding to death), but it's completely out of order. Guess it's a problem of society in general though and not really Nexus' to sort out.

 

 

It is a problem of society (and a very under estimated one imo), but generally it is easy to avoid these scum as long as you are not unfortunate enough to live next to them. However, you can't avoid them on public transport, in fact it's worse because you can't even get away from them. Now if Nexus are serious in reviving the Metro, it is their duty to sort out their own "patch", preferably before going hand in cap to the government for millions of pounds in handouts.

 

Oh, and btw, the Metro from Town to Tynemouth is now 2.70 for a single ticket - that's about 4 euros I think. That is simply scandalous for a system that is run down, full of delinquents, infrequent, packed at rush hour, and prone to delays. Compare this to Europe where the same journey would cost you one euro and not have any of the above problems associated with it. Public transport in this country really is a national disgrace.

 

Aye, compared to the underground systems in other European cities it's overpriced and shit. Guess they do need to work things out for themselves. Issue the inspectors with tazers tbh. I'd take a paycut to be an inspector if I could electrocute charvers.