Fat Bitch

[The Fish 11079]

never said it was the only problem... just one that I think is more easily attacked than alcohol abuse.

 

it is (for better or worse) more socially acceptable to be drunk than it is to be fat.

How would it be more easily attacked then? A 'fat tax' would be an absolute nightmare and totally impractical to administer.

like I said in my post, it's less socially acceptable fat. Hence "attack"ing it, as in getting support against fat people is easier than gaining public support against alcohol.

 

the critic guy, whose name escapes me, offered a couple of suggestions; something about hiking the price on traditionally fatty foods like crisps, butter, cakes etc.

 

Personally I'd go so far as to make a quarterly Dr's appointment a legal requirement, if you're over weight to the degree that it is dangerous to your health, then you should be punished for your gluttony.

 

I fully accept (and expect) a lot of people wil retort that they are happy with their size and why should they have to conform to modern societies current take on what is normal etc. etc.

 

but this is not a simply aesthetic thing for me, overweight people cost this country far more those who are under or "normal" weight. Overweight people have a stigma attached to them, lazy, smelly, etc. and I know a lot of this is bullshit, but facts is facts, if you're overweight you're far more likely to smell than others because you will sweat more, you're more likely to take the escalators than the stairs because a) it's uncomfortable 2) it's embarrassing and iii) it's a genuine effort.

 

I'm not saying "Fuck the Fatties" just, (I know this sounds patronising) help them.

[Matt 0]

Eh? What are you doing advocating a fat tax, blimpy boy? Glutton for food AND punishment?

fuck you fat man I'm down to 13 and 1/4 stone

 

at my worst I was 14 and a half!

 

lose anymore weight and people would mistake me for a flagpole!

 

 

13¼ stone for someone 5ft 10 is waaaaaaaay to much tbh...

 

 

What about 15 and a half?

[Monster 0]

never said it was the only problem... just one that I think is more easily attacked than alcohol abuse.

 

it is (for better or worse) more socially acceptable to be drunk than it is to be fat.

How would it be more easily attacked then? A 'fat tax' would be an absolute nightmare and totally impractical to administer.

like I said in my post, it's less socially acceptable fat. Hence "attack"ing it, as in getting support against fat people is easier than gaining public support against alcohol.

 

the critic guy, whose name escapes me, offered a couple of suggestions; something about hiking the price on traditionally fatty foods like crisps, butter, cakes etc.

 

Personally I'd go so far as to make a quarterly Dr's appointment a legal requirement, if you're over weight to the degree that it is dangerous to your health, then you should be punished for your gluttony.

 

I fully accept (and expect) a lot of people wil retort that they are happy with their size and why should they have to conform to modern societies current take on what is normal etc. etc.

 

but this is not a simply aesthetic thing for me, overweight people cost this country far more those who are under or "normal" weight. Overweight people have a stigma attached to them, lazy, smelly, etc. and I know a lot of this is bullshit, but facts is facts, if you're overweight you're far more likely to smell than others because you will sweat more, you're more likely to take the escalators than the stairs because a) it's uncomfortable 2) it's embarrassing and iii) it's a genuine effort.

 

I'm not saying "Fuck the Fatties" just, (I know this sounds patronising) help them.

 

I'm just wondering, since my and many other have a metabolism that doesn't work too well, whats your take on 'punishing' those with other medical conditions would be?

 

For example, what would you like to do to those with impaired mental facility?

 

Possibly imprison them in asylums? 'For their own good', like.....

[The Fish 11079]

I will not put people with impaired mental facility in the same bracket as the majority of overweight people.

 

the majority of overweight people are not overweight because of metabolism, the majority of overweight people are overweight because they don't take responsibility for their actions.

 

... this is going to endear me to a lot of people isn't it

[Craig 6701]

What about those who are suicidally overweight Fish?

[The Fish 11079]

[NJS 4446]

I get what you're saying but I think in general there has to be a recognition that people are inherently "weak" on any number of criteria but thats what makes us human. As I've said before I find it astonishing that anybody believes superstisious nonsense in the face of all reason but while I would like to see it discouraged, all out "punishment" is a step too far.

 

On the other hand some of the measurements on weight are ridiculous - I was looking at a BMI site last week where for a 6Ft man the "healthy" range started at 9St 12lb which is frankly skeletal and in no way "normal" to me.

[The Fish 11079]

I get what you're saying but I think in general there has to be a recognition that people are inherently "weak" on any number of criteria but thats what makes us human. As I've said before I find it astonishing that anybody believes superstisious nonsense in the face of all reason but while I would like to see it discouraged, all out "punishment" is a step too far.

 

On the other hand some of the measurements on weight are ridiculous - I was looking at a BMI site last week where for a 6Ft man the "healthy" range started at 9St 12lb which is frankly skeletal and in no way "normal" to me.

 

 

the BMI thing is bollocks mind.

 

reckons I should be 11 stone... which is frankly the type of ethereal fay build that squeezes into skinny jeans and sulks in a bar.. not for me, no thank you.

[Guest alex]

never said it was the only problem... just one that I think is more easily attacked than alcohol abuse.

 

it is (for better or worse) more socially acceptable to be drunk than it is to be fat.

How would it be more easily attacked then? A 'fat tax' would be an absolute nightmare and totally impractical to administer.

like I said in my post, it's less socially acceptable fat. Hence "attack"ing it, as in getting support against fat people is easier than gaining public support against alcohol.

 

the critic guy, whose name escapes me, offered a couple of suggestions; something about hiking the price on traditionally fatty foods like crisps, butter, cakes etc.

 

Personally I'd go so far as to make a quarterly Dr's appointment a legal requirement, if you're over weight to the degree that it is dangerous to your health, then you should be punished for your gluttony.

 

I fully accept (and expect) a lot of people wil retort that they are happy with their size and why should they have to conform to modern societies current take on what is normal etc. etc.

 

but this is not a simply aesthetic thing for me, overweight people cost this country far more those who are under or "normal" weight. Overweight people have a stigma attached to them, lazy, smelly, etc. and I know a lot of this is bullshit, but facts is facts, if you're overweight you're far more likely to smell than others because you will sweat more, you're more likely to take the escalators than the stairs because a) it's uncomfortable 2) it's embarrassing and iii) it's a genuine effort.

 

I'm not saying "Fuck the Fatties" just, (I know this sounds patronising) help them.

Haven't really outlined a workable taxation system there though have you? IMO there isn't one.

[The Fish 11079]

I'm not a policy maker alex, although that is clearly a job you think I'm suited to.

 

 

I think the best way to "tax" them is educate kids to the costs of obesity.

 

Obesity is not only a limitation of opportunities, it can ruin your social life, your prospects for family, force you to suffer embarrasment more often than someone who isn't fat.

 

I guess a lot of where I'm coming from is frustration, both with myself and for my sisters, who are both now officially morbidly obese. I hate to see them missing out on things because of their weight and it upsets me when I see them hopelessly caught in a vicious cycle that no amount of gentle persuasion and cajoling from the family will help them escqape. I want some big shock or external force to kick them out of their malaise.

 

if the government attacked the problems on two fronts; taxing the current obese people and educating the next generation, I think they could solve a growing problem.

 

all of the ideas I have are very quickly dissected and fairly blatant flaws are apparent; put tax on fatty foods, bring in a punishment tax for obese people, charge obese people more for public transport and that kind of thing.

 

none of them will work for very obvious reasons... but thankfully the government has far wiser minds than mine in their employ.

[Guest alex]

I'm not a policy maker alex, although that is clearly a job you think I'm suited to.

 

 

I think the best way to "tax" them is educate kids to the costs of obesity.

 

Obesity is not only a limitation of opportunities, it can ruin your social life, your prospects for family, force you to suffer embarrasment more often than someone who isn't fat.

 

I guess a lot of where I'm coming from is frustration, both with myself and for my sisters, who are both now officially morbidly obese. I hate to see them missing out on things because of their weight and it upsets me when I see them hopelessly caught in a vicious cycle that no amount of gentle persuasion and cajoling from the family will help them escqape. I want some big shock or external force to kick them out of their malaise.

 

if the government attacked the problems on two fronts; taxing the current obese people and educating the next generation, I think they could solve a growing problem.

 

all of the ideas I have are very quickly dissected and fairly blatant flaws are apparent; put tax on fatty foods, bring in a punishment tax for obese people, charge obese people more for public transport and that kind of thing.

 

none of them will work for very obvious reasons... but thankfully the government has far wiser minds than mine in their employ.

You said you were in favour of the fat tax, so I asked how it would work. It wouldn't btw. And you aren't suited to making policy imo

[The Fish 11079]

I'm not a policy maker alex, although that is clearly a job you think I'm suited to.

 

 

I think the best way to "tax" them is educate kids to the costs of obesity.

 

Obesity is not only a limitation of opportunities, it can ruin your social life, your prospects for family, force you to suffer embarrasment more often than someone who isn't fat.

 

I guess a lot of where I'm coming from is frustration, both with myself and for my sisters, who are both now officially morbidly obese. I hate to see them missing out on things because of their weight and it upsets me when I see them hopelessly caught in a vicious cycle that no amount of gentle persuasion and cajoling from the family will help them escqape. I want some big shock or external force to kick them out of their malaise.

 

if the government attacked the problems on two fronts; taxing the current obese people and educating the next generation, I think they could solve a growing problem.

 

all of the ideas I have are very quickly dissected and fairly blatant flaws are apparent; put tax on fatty foods, bring in a punishment tax for obese people, charge obese people more for public transport and that kind of thing.

 

none of them will work for very obvious reasons... but thankfully the government has far wiser minds than mine in their employ.

You said you were in favour of the fat tax, so I asked how it would work. It wouldn't btw. And you aren't suited to making policy imo

 

 

I'm sure that you knew I meant I was in favour of some form of taxation of the fat.

 

not "the" fat tax

 

pedantic shiney headed fool

[Guest alex]

his basic concept wasn't a bad idea, basically making morbidly obese people pay more for food and stuff so as to discourage their god awful eating habits.

 

and while they might try to blame it on glands and all that shite I'm sure stuffing a chocolate gateaux sandwich down your throat doesn't fucking help!

I was going by the above (unworkable imo) proposal tbh.

[The Fish 11079]

his basic concept wasn't a bad idea, basically making morbidly obese people pay more for food and stuff so as to discourage their god awful eating habits.

 

and while they might try to blame it on glands and all that shite I'm sure stuffing a chocolate gateaux sandwich down your throat doesn't fucking help!

I was going by the above (unworkable imo) proposal tbh.

 

 

I reckon he intended to hike the prices of traditionally fatty/unhealthy foods.

 

which is entirely plausible, and I can't see it being particualrly difficult to implement.

[Guest alex]

his basic concept wasn't a bad idea, basically making morbidly obese people pay more for food and stuff so as to discourage their god awful eating habits.

and while they might try to blame it on glands and all that shite I'm sure stuffing a chocolate gateaux sandwich down your throat doesn't fucking help!

I was going by the above (unworkable imo) proposal tbh.

 

 

I reckon he intended to hike the prices of traditionally fatty/unhealthy foods.

 

which is entirely plausible, and I can't see it being particualrly difficult to implement.

I'm going by your words. I.e. the bit in bold. Which I believe to be completely unworkable and a non-starter tttt. I don't think you thought it through though, so I'll let you off

[Meenzer 15869]

thought it through though

My eyes hurt. God, English is a stupid language sometimes.