Immigration

[JawD 99]

Or at least Im sick of reading about horrific things done by people who have alledgedly come to this country for shelter. We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in. Today Im reading about a group of youths (some illegal immegrants) that murdered a childs mother at the childs christening (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6192507.stm). Yesterday I was reading about the death of the WPC who was shot and how one of the gang is thought to have gone back to Somalia (dressed as a woman in a veil, using his sisters passport and got away with it!).

 

Its said that even though some of these people have committed crime after crime, they cant be shipped back to their country as its against their human rights FFS! What a mess. As soon as they committ a single crime they should be booted out. Too much pussy footing around by people to scared to have a finger pointed at them for being none PC. We're getting increasing gang culture and increase in exreme violent crime. Tell ya, we're too soft. Bring back the death penalty, open the countries doors to those really in need sure, but ship em back out if they trip up once.

 

Honestly, Im just sick of reading all this shite in the news. I'd never vote for BNP, but UKIP are certainly making me sit up and take note (for a whole load if issues not just this).

 

I need a beer....

 

[Ted Maul 0]

Addressing this issue would be a major vote winner yet none of the main parties seem to want to do anything about it. Labour have already proved to us they're incapable of stopping things like this, the Tories care more about going green and hugging hoodies and the Lib Dems wouldn't do anything that could infringe on peoples 'human rights'.

[JawD 99]

All three are a total waste of space. On this issue they're too scared to do anything worth while about it. So many have now been let into the country they probably make up a large portion of the vote (for labour) so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

[Guest alex]

You should certainly have to remove your veil to go through passport control imo.

[JawD 99]

You should certainly have to remove your veil to go through passport control imo.

 

Thats got to be a complete joke. Whats the picture on the passport? a pair of eyes?

[Renton 22684]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

[Guest alex]

I saw a woman in M&S wearing the veil on Sunday out of the corner of my eye. I nearly papped me pants until I realised it was just a Muslim lady. Don't think I'd like to see it banned in public places though. Schools, Courts and other public buildings is a different matter though.

[Renton 22684]

I saw a woman in M&S wearing the veil on Sunday out of the corner of my eye. I nearly papped me pants until I realised it was just a Muslim lady. Don't think I'd like to see it banned in public places though. Schools, Courts and other public buildings is a different matter though.

 

How do you know it was a lady?

 

Serious question.

[JawD 99]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

[JawD 99]

That was the story about the veil : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6195581.stm

[Renton 22684]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

 

UKIP are still a bunch of right-wing, xenophobic, sexist, middle-aged, middle-England tossers imo. I despise that party.

[JawD 99]

Well, in that respect, each to their own. I think they have some interesting policies and tackle some issues that others shy away from, generally issues that matter to me personally - but then like I say, each to their own

[Guest alex]

The trouble with the major parties (amongst other things) is that they often avoid debates like this and leave it to tossers like the BNP and UKIP.

[Renton 22684]

Well, in that respect, each to their own. I think they have some interesting policies and tackle some issues that others shy away from, generally issues that matter to me personally - but then like I say, each to their own

 

Their "policies" are moronic. If they ever were to get into power the country would be fucked.

 

Imo, of course, but each to their own.

[Ted Maul 0]

Renton, you're not an immigrant by any chance are you?

[Renton 22684]

Renton, you're not an immigrant by any chance are you?

 

No. Are you a right-wing bigot?

 

Anyway, I already stated that I do think it is a problem, I just don't like the way the media pick up stories and go hysterical about it.

 

We need inteeligent debate, fat chance of that in this country.

[JawD 99]

The trouble with the major parties (amongst other things) is that they often avoid debates like this and leave it to tossers like the BNP and UKIP.

 

Well thats true, they do avoid debate on "tricky" subjects. IMO through fear of reproach. But, for many of the normal day to day people, they are avoiding issues that matter. Ok I started the thread on immigration only because yesterday I was read a very touching story about the death of the WPC, then today I start reading about the woman who was killed at the kids christening. But, on UKIP, I find very interesting their views on health & welfare, education and europe. Reading their brief agenda -

SAY NO to European Union. But we also say NO to the culture of paperwork, performance targets and spin, NO to uncontrolled immigration, NO to a society in which everything is regulated and dissent is suppressed by fear and political correctness. Only outside the EU will it be possible to begin rebuilding a Britain which is run for British people, not for career politicians and bureaucrats.

 

I've usually taken the stance "all as bad as each other" and generally felt that labour over tory wasnt going to make that much of a difference. Same could well be said about these. Im not big on the ins and outs of politics. But some things do make you take notice. Things in the news, or in my case my wife works for the NHS so I get things from her side as well. Her friend is a teacher so I get thats side of things.

 

There is no all fantasic party and all have a priority agenda.

[JawD 99]

Renton, you're not an immigrant by any chance are you?

 

No. Are you a right-wing bigot?

 

Anyway, I already stated that I do think it is a problem, I just don't like the way the media pick up stories and go hysterical about it.

We need inteeligent debate, fat chance of that in this country.

 

Tell the womans child not to go hysterical when she grows up and learns what happened to her mother

[Ted Maul 0]

Renton, you're not an immigrant by any chance are you?

 

No. Are you a right-wing bigot?

Anyway, I already stated that I do think it is a problem, I just don't like the way the media pick up stories and go hysterical about it.

 

We need inteeligent debate, fat chance of that in this country.

 

Yes.

 

The main thing that fucks me off is the whole 'Human rights' aspect. This twat who put on a veil and left the country was meant to be deported back to Somalia but since his personal safety was apparently at risk we let him stay in this country. After he's killed one person and ruined many other peoples lives he decides he's better off in Somalia, the country we couldn't send him back to because of his human rights, so he fucks off.

[Isegrim 10056]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

 

UKIP are still a bunch of right-wing, xenophobic, sexist, middle-aged, middle-England tossers imo. I despise that party.

There was a brilliant documentary about them here on TV ahead of the last European election. They travelled around with one UKIP candidate during his campaign. He was always ranting how terrible the EU is and how it drags the UK downhill. Then they visited a small factory. The candidate was raving about it being able to compete on the European market and how this is what British should be proud of and that the EU has never done anything for the UK. Until the owner of the factory got a chance to speak and said. "Err sorry Mr. Candidate, but we actually couldn't survive without getting subsidised via the EU regional fund." The reaction of the candidate was very pythonesque.

[Guest alex]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

 

UKIP are still a bunch of right-wing, xenophobic, sexist, middle-aged, middle-England tossers imo. I despise that party.

There was a brilliant documentary about them here on TV ahead of the last European election. They travelled around with one UKIP candidate during his campaign. He was always ranting how terrible the EU is and how it drags the UK downhill. Then they visited a small factory. The candidate was raving about it being able to compete on the European market and how this is what British should be proud of and that the EU has never done anything for the UK. Until the owner of the factory got a chance to speak and said. "Err sorry Mr. Candidate, but we actually couldn't survive without getting subsidised via the EU regional fund." The reaction of the candidate was very pythonesque.

It wasn't Robert Kilroy-Silk by any chance was it? I saw that programme if so. He came across as an ill-informed buffoon.

[JawD 99]

I dont know all the facts and figures, but I think the issue is largely the amount we pay into the EU compared to what we get back out. Plus with more countries joining, more of our money will go into a pot to get a smaller share.

 

We do benefit from it (like the example you give), but dont forget we put a massive amount in.

[Ted Maul 0]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

 

UKIP are still a bunch of right-wing, xenophobic, sexist, middle-aged, middle-England tossers imo. I despise that party.

There was a brilliant documentary about them here on TV ahead of the last European election. They travelled around with one UKIP candidate during his campaign. He was always ranting how terrible the EU is and how it drags the UK downhill. Then they visited a small factory. The candidate was raving about it being able to compete on the European market and how this is what British should be proud of and that the EU has never done anything for the UK. Until the owner of the factory got a chance to speak and said. "Err sorry Mr. Candidate, but we actually couldn't survive without getting subsidised via the EU regional fund." The reaction of the candidate was very pythonesque.

It wasn't Robert Kilroy-Silk by any chance was it? I saw that programme if so. He came across as an ill-informed buffoon.

 

[Renton 22684]

The trouble with the major parties (amongst other things) is that they often avoid debates like this and leave it to tossers like the BNP and UKIP.

 

Well thats true, they do avoid debate on "tricky" subjects. IMO through fear of reproach. But, for many of the normal day to day people, they are avoiding issues that matter. Ok I started the thread on immigration only because yesterday I was read a very touching story about the death of the WPC, then today I start reading about the woman who was killed at the kids christening. But, on UKIP, I find very interesting their views on health & welfare, education and europe. Reading their brief agenda -

SAY NO to European Union. But we also say NO to the culture of paperwork, performance targets and spin, NO to uncontrolled immigration, NO to a society in which everything is regulated and dissent is suppressed by fear and political correctness. Only outside the EU will it be possible to begin rebuilding a Britain which is run for British people, not for career politicians and bureaucrats.

 

I've usually taken the stance "all as bad as each other" and generally felt that labour over tory wasnt going to make that much of a difference. Same could well be said about these. Im not big on the ins and outs of politics. But some things do make you take notice. Things in the news, or in my case my wife works for the NHS so I get things from her side as well. Her friend is a teacher so I get thats side of things.

 

There is no all fantasic party and all have a priority agenda.

 

They would be disastrous for the NHS and leaving the EU would be catastrophic for our economy. Besides which, I happen to like living and travelling in Europe and the benefit that all our reciprocal agreements bring. But its to near christmas for politics, we'll agree to disagree.

[JawD 99]

Sick of reading threads about immigration tbh.

 

Seriously though, it's obviously a problem, but don't get hysterical about it. The cases you cite are rare and why aren't you starting a thread about British, white, scumbags who commit equally vile crimes?

 

As for the veil, I think it should be illegal in all public places, let alone in airports.

 

If you vote BNP or UKIP you'd go down in my estimation tbh, but I'm sure you're not going to be bothered by that.

 

If you think its rare then your need to go know the veil is meant to be over your mouth and nose, not your eyes. Go read the news. You'll also note that I started the thread saying "We already have enough nutters of our own without letting more in". Just dont start on the whole "why not mention British blah blah" shite. Why? because thats not what Im talking about! Of course there are other problems, plenty of them, but when you read story after story about how devistated peoples lives have become due to human rights bollocks and "do gooders".

 

As for the veil, I dont think it should be illegal in public places. I dont really have a problem with it. Any places where security is an issue though (Airports, banks etc) and of course schools then yes they need their own policy.

 

Oh, and BNP and UKIP are totally different, but thats another topic.

 

UKIP are still a bunch of right-wing, xenophobic, sexist, middle-aged, middle-England tossers imo. I despise that party.

There was a brilliant documentary about them here on TV ahead of the last European election. They travelled around with one UKIP candidate during his campaign. He was always ranting how terrible the EU is and how it drags the UK downhill. Then they visited a small factory. The candidate was raving about it being able to compete on the European market and how this is what British should be proud of and that the EU has never done anything for the UK. Until the owner of the factory got a chance to speak and said. "Err sorry Mr. Candidate, but we actually couldn't survive without getting subsidised via the EU regional fund." The reaction of the candidate was very pythonesque.

It wasn't Robert Kilroy-Silk by any chance was it? I saw that programme if so. He came across as an ill-informed buffoon.

 

What was he booted out of the party for again? Cant recall now, I know he dropped himself right in it over something