Toonpack 10597 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if you could remove all doubt I'd still be against the death penalty. Tougher sentances for murderers sure, but executing people is barbaric. What do you mean by tougher ?? hard labour, chain gangs etc or just longer time ?? As for barbaric, they reap what they sow and I don't see why society should pay for their "longevity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if you could remove all doubt I'd still be against the death penalty. Tougher sentances for murderers sure, but executing people is barbaric. What do you mean by tougher ?? hard labour, chain gangs etc or just longer time ?? As for barbaric, they reap what they sow and I don't see why society should pay for their "longevity" I meant longer sentances. I confess I don't have a great idea of what prison life is like, but it shouldn't be like Porridge. Regarding capital punishment, I think it is hypocritcal. We punish people because they don't adhere to our morals. How can we claim to be more moral then offenders if we punish them by carrying out what they did in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22684 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if you could remove all doubt I'd still be against the death penalty. Tougher sentances for murderers sure, but executing people is barbaric. What do you mean by tougher ?? hard labour, chain gangs etc or just longer time ?? As for barbaric, they reap what they sow and I don't see why society should pay for their "longevity" But it costs more to execute someone than keep them in prison for life. Really the only thing capital punishment has going for it is retribution, and I think Lucky Luke has already answered what the problem with that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if you could remove all doubt I'd still be against the death penalty. Tougher sentances for murderers sure, but executing people is barbaric. What do you mean by tougher ?? hard labour, chain gangs etc or just longer time ?? As for barbaric, they reap what they sow and I don't see why society should pay for their "longevity" But it costs more to execute someone than keep them in prison for life. Really the only thing capital punishment has going for it is retribution, and I think Lucky Luke has already answered what the problem with that is. At the risk of undermining my/our arguement, how does it cost more? I'm guessing legal fees etc. Not that I think people should be killed because it makes more sense economically, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11127 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I actually advocate the modern-day equivalent of chian gangs. Get prisoners to do community service on top of their incarceration. try and tie it to the consequences of their crime. Obviously that's not always possible or wise, but certainly lesser criminals. Back to capital punishment... I just don't see how it works. It doesn't strike me as a deterrent because America has an awful violent crime rate, it doesn't stop the loonies and it doesn't put off the "sane" murderers. Hell it doesn't even keep prison numbers down by a significant amount. now Saddam should pay for his genocide, but killing him is too easy, too quick, his suffering should be comparable to that of his victims. Use him as a lab rat I say. Give him a disease, then try to cure him. I know it's torture, I know it's amoral, but the crimes meted out by that man should have far greater repurcussions than simply ending his life, that's only a punishment if he fears death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22684 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Even if you could remove all doubt I'd still be against the death penalty. Tougher sentances for murderers sure, but executing people is barbaric. What do you mean by tougher ?? hard labour, chain gangs etc or just longer time ?? As for barbaric, they reap what they sow and I don't see why society should pay for their "longevity" But it costs more to execute someone than keep them in prison for life. Really the only thing capital punishment has going for it is retribution, and I think Lucky Luke has already answered what the problem with that is. At the risk of undermining my/our arguement, how does it cost more? I'm guessing legal fees etc. Not that I think people should be killed because it makes more sense economically, of course. Yes, the process of appeal increases the cost, plus you still have to pay for many years imprisonment on death row. You could do away with this of course, but that would surely increase the rate of false convictions, and in the States at least, this is frighteningly high. Besides, I'm sure most advocates of capital punishment only want it for the most serious crimes, in which case really cost is a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11127 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Rents? how do you know about the US legal system? not doubting you, just curious.. I had it in my head you were tied to the medical field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I think his wife is a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11127 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 he's married? explains why he's so pessimistic all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22684 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Rents? how do you know about the US legal system? not doubting you, just curious.. I had it in my head you were tied to the medical field... I don't really, just going on what i've picked up from a variety of sources. For instance I read an interesting chapter in a book recently where it was stated the crime rate in America is directly corellated with how "conservative" they are and whether or not they have capital punishment. Ironically, the most religious states and least liberal have by far the worst crime rates (e.g. Texas). I may well be wrong and will happily concede any points if people can show me something different. My wife is a lawyer as it happens but that doesn't make me any the wiser on legal matters unfortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10597 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 he's married? I've done 25 years and no sign of any time off for good behaviour, in theme with the thread, I would have got significantly less for moida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 At long last even the Yanks are beinning to see that the Death penalty has to go - I'm not going to rehash all the reasons again. I note its 37 years since we gave it up and I could never think we'd ever go back to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I'm not "for" the death penalty at all, but who actually cares how much this guy suffered as he died? So they missed a vein. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11127 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Some interesting statistics on the topic... http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm It only goes up to 2005 but it does state that there had been a decrease in prisoners on deathrow and that it was a trend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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