1 point in 18 saw Souness Sacked

[Happy Face 29]

But in some of those games we fully deserved the win but never seemed to have the goals in us. The goals seem to be coming a lot easier now though.

 

How did we deserve to win when we had no goals in us? Apart from that game against Everton we created fuck all in these games. We were playing abysmal football and deserved every result we got tbh.

 

I don't think we were the worst team in any of those games tbh, and generally we were on top in them. It was always going to be difficult replacing Shearer given that Owen should be doing the job, so goalscoring has been the problem. After a dreadful start, Martins has been given the chance to settle and it's starting to bear fruit somewhat, it's a shame Luque never got a similar chance (so far).

[Happy Face 29]

Where are we in the form table?

 

9th, UEFA games obviously excluded.

 

http://www.fulhamweb.com/fulhamweb/league/form.asp

 

That doesn't include yesterday.

 

http://stats.football365.co.uk/dom/ENG/PR/oform.html

 

7th based on the last 8 games.

[Isegrim 9741]

But in some of those games we fully deserved the win but never seemed to have the goals in us. The goals seem to be coming a lot easier now though.

 

How did we deserve to win when we had no goals in us? Apart from that game against Everton we created fuck all in these games. We were playing abysmal football and deserved every result we got tbh.

 

I don't think we were the worst team in any of those games tbh, and generally we were on top in them. It was always going to be difficult replacing Shearer given that Owen should be doing the job, so goalscoring has been the problem. After a dreadful start, Martins has been given the chance to settle and it's starting to bear fruit somewhat, it's a shame Luque never got a similar chance (so far).

 

But we weren't the better team in those games either. So we didn't deserve to win. And I don't know what games you saw, but "generally on top"? We were the home team, we played against teams who were just looking to get away with a draw. But we weren't able to put them under any pressure that saw us likely to score - apart from the game against Everton, but this was a very open match anyway. And Luque got enough chances to show only glimpses why he should deserve another chance. He wasted them all.

[Happy Face 29]

But we weren't the better team in those games either. So we didn't deserve to win. And I don't know what games you saw, but "generally on top"? We were the home team, we played against teams who were just looking to get away with a draw. But we weren't able to put them under any pressure that saw us likely to score - apart from the game against Everton, but this was a very open match anyway. And Luque got enough chances to show only glimpses why he should deserve another chance. He wasted them all.

 

I was watching the same games as NUFC.COM apparently...

 

FULHAM

I couldn't get suicidal over the throwing away of the three points. Both home games deserved to be draws, so to have three points is probably still one more than we should have.

 

EVERTON

Everton ended the game having extended their unbeaten league run to nine games (counting the last three outings of the previous campaign), but really should have been beaten on a day when their good luck seemed finally to have ended - and fortune turned to us.

 

SHEFFIELD

An opening forty five minutes in both games failed to produce a goal, as we flattered to deceive in attack and had very little to cope with in defence.

 

After that though the second half was very different, as we ran out of ideas and handed the initiative to the opposition.

 

BOLTON

for the first 50 minutes of this game we were in control against an oddly lack-lustre Bolton side - who showed little more than we had done in our recent away disappointments at Anfield or Old Trafford.

 

And as Liverpool and Manchester United had done, we went in at the interval a goal to the good after dominating the play but not having inflicted irreparable damage on the visiting side.

 

CHARLTON

To say we could and should have won this game four or five nil is no exaggeration. Excluding the two recent joke mackem relegation sides, it's difficult to remember seeing a poorer Premiership side than this Charlton one. Their confidence was obviously low and their passing and defending reflected that.

 

We should be beating all these teams and I was as sick as anyone with the results, but for the sake of a fit settled striker, I think we would have got a lot more from them.

[ewerk 30385]

But we weren't the better team in those games either. So we didn't deserve to win. And I don't know what games you saw, but "generally on top"? We were the home team, we played against teams who were just looking to get away with a draw. But we weren't able to put them under any pressure that saw us likely to score - apart from the game against Everton, but this was a very open match anyway. And Luque got enough chances to show only glimpses why he should deserve another chance. He wasted them all.

 

I was watching the same games as NUFC.COM apparently...

 

FULHAM

I couldn't get suicidal over the throwing away of the three points. Both home games deserved to be draws, so to have three points is probably still one more than we should have.

 

EVERTON

Everton ended the game having extended their unbeaten league run to nine games (counting the last three outings of the previous campaign), but really should have been beaten on a day when their good luck seemed finally to have ended - and fortune turned to us.

 

SHEFFIELD

An opening forty five minutes in both games failed to produce a goal, as we flattered to deceive in attack and had very little to cope with in defence.

 

After that though the second half was very different, as we ran out of ideas and handed the initiative to the opposition.

 

BOLTON

for the first 50 minutes of this game we were in control against an oddly lack-lustre Bolton side - who showed little more than we had done in our recent away disappointments at Anfield or Old Trafford.

 

And as Liverpool and Manchester United had done, we went in at the interval a goal to the good after dominating the play but not having inflicted irreparable damage on the visiting side.

 

CHARLTON

To say we could and should have won this game four or five nil is no exaggeration. Excluding the two recent joke mackem relegation sides, it's difficult to remember seeing a poorer Premiership side than this Charlton one. Their confidence was obviously low and their passing and defending reflected that.

 

We should be beating all these teams and I was as sick as anyone with the results, but for the sake of a fit settled striker, I think we would have got a lot more from them.

 

And had we beaten these teams, teams we should have beaten at home we'd be sitting 3rd in the table

[Isegrim 9741]

I was watching the same games as NUFC.COM apparently...

 

FULHAM

I couldn't get suicidal over the throwing away of the three points. Both home games deserved to be draws, so to have three points is probably still one more than we should have.

 

EVERTON

Everton ended the game having extended their unbeaten league run to nine games (counting the last three outings of the previous campaign), but really should have been beaten on a day when their good luck seemed finally to have ended - and fortune turned to us.

 

SHEFFIELD

An opening forty five minutes in both games failed to produce a goal, as we flattered to deceive in attack and had very little to cope with in defence.

 

After that though the second half was very different, as we ran out of ideas and handed the initiative to the opposition.

 

BOLTON

for the first 50 minutes of this game we were in control against an oddly lack-lustre Bolton side - who showed little more than we had done in our recent away disappointments at Anfield or Old Trafford.

 

And as Liverpool and Manchester United had done, we went in at the interval a goal to the good after dominating the play but not having inflicted irreparable damage on the visiting side.

 

CHARLTON

To say we could and should have won this game four or five nil is no exaggeration. Excluding the two recent joke mackem relegation sides, it's difficult to remember seeing a poorer Premiership side than this Charlton one. Their confidence was obviously low and their passing and defending reflected that.

 

We should be beating all these teams and I was as sick as anyone with the results, but for the sake of a fit settled striker, I think we would have got a lot more from them.

 

I don't know what you want to prove with this.

 

Regarding the Fulham match .com are saying that we deserved nothing more than a draw and that three points from the first two games flattered us (i.e. the win against Wigan).

Regarding the games against Bolton and Sheffield they do complain that we only were in the game for one half or 50 mins, but offered little.

The Everton game I don't take into account as I already mentioned that it was different myself.

Regarding the Charlton game they are merely stating how bad Charlton were. Not really a compliment on our performance. As much as Charlton rode their luck in that game, it was not very different to what happened to us at Arsenal for example.

 

Our performances in those games had overall been very poor and our current position in the table is just a reflection of this. And it wasn't just down to a fit striker, it was also down to little ideas coming from the midfield for example. But if you are really thinking we were good in those games then just enjoy your rose tinted specs.

Edited December 10, 2006 by Isegrim

[Happy Face 29]

 

I don't know what you want to prove with this.

 

 

That we deserved more out of those games than we got. And that goes for more than just Everton.

[Isegrim 9741]

 

I don't know what you want to prove with this.

 

 

That we deserved more out of those games than we got. And that goes for more than just Everton.

 

I just fail to see how .com back you up. They are more than criticial with the performances in those games, too.

 

Just for example, this piece from the Bolton match report:

 

The manner of our goal was also significant, as once again we relied on a piece of good fortune from the officials to get off to a good start.

 

It's as well that we were handed that so-called rub of the green though, as we never looked like scoring a "proper" goal of our own.

 

That's rather exactly what I was saying. They were also more than critical abou Emre's performance in this game for example, calling him a "liability".

 

Or this part from the Sheffield match report:

Realising that we simply had nothing to hurt them with they took the game to us, got the goal and then never looked in remote danger of not leaving with three points as SJP turned on itself.

 

Are you really trying to tell me that we were just unlucky in those games? Or do you even think we played well?

[Happy Face 29]

"But in some of those games we fully deserved the win"

 

 

Some being the operative word. The only ones that deserved something from the Sheffield game was the fans, and it was their money back.

 

Against BOLTON we were "dominating the play" but "never looked like scoring a "proper" goal of our own". That backs up my point that we missed an in form striker.

 

I don't see why you're perpetuating the arguyment tbh. Jimbo correctly pointed out a list of home games where we should have got points. I suggested an in form striker would have made a big difference which we (touch wood) seem to have now. A cause for optimism which my resurrecting of the thread was intended to convey.

 

I apologise for considering the glass half full.

[Isegrim 9741]

"But in some of those games we fully deserved the win"

 

 

Some being the operative word. The only ones that deserved something from the Sheffield game was the fans, and it was their money back.

 

Against BOLTON we were "dominating the play" but "never looked like scoring a "proper" goal of our own". That backs up my point that we missed an in form striker.

 

I don't see why you're perpetuating the arguyment tbh. Jimbo correctly pointed out a list of home games where we should have got points. I suggested an in form striker would have made a big difference which we (touch wood) seem to have now. A cause for optimism which my resurrecting of the thread was intended to convey.

 

I apologise for considering the glass half full.

 

And I narrowed this "some" down to the Everton game - and ok I maybe give you the Charlton game as well. And the reason why Papa Lazaru was bringing these games up was rather to state that there should be no question of us (on paper) being able to beat those teams at home. So he is rather having a go a the team's performances and expressly blames the coaching staff for it. In those games was far more missing than just an in form striker.

 

And I am perpetuating this thread because it amazes me how easily some people can get carried away. The recent improvements doesn't make the earlier performances any less abysmal for me.

 

And I am rather getting pleasently surprised than disappointed about another false dawn.

[Happy Face 29]

Why do I always mix up Papa and Jimbo?

[Isegrim 9741]

Why do I always mix up Papa and Jimbo?

 

Don't worry. Wankers - both of them.

[luckyluke 2]

Why do I always mix up Papa and Jimbo?

 

I get you and Obagol mixed up quite often.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

Why do I always mix up Papa and Jimbo?

 

Don't worry. Wankers - both of them.

 

I was just going to post that myself strangely!

[Renton 21404]

The old saying "the league doesn't lie" seems apt here. We have the points we deserve, no less, no more. If we keep up our improvement we will go up the league, if we get worse we will go down the league. I find arguing about hypotheticals pointless. For instance, our last 3 wins could have gone either way. Despite our dominance against Pompey, it felt we would never score, until we did. Reading required a wonder goal by Emre we will probably never see again, and no way was it a penalty (cancelled out by the fact our disallowed goal should have stood as well). Despite being down to 10 men, it sounded on the radio like Blackburn battered us, and 3-1 was a flattering score line. So hypothetically , we might only have got 3 points from these games, but the reality is we got 9.

[Happy Face 29]

I find arguing about hypotheticals pointless.

 

Well stop it.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

Like I said earlier, its very simple. Apart from when officials cost you points, or some freakish moment of bad luck you couldn't do anything about occurs, you have the amount of points you deserve and you got the results you deserve.

 

Dominating games, playing "the best football", having the most possession, having the most chances, the other teams keeper being man of the match etc. are all things people say means they deserved more. Well you didn't deserve more because players are paid to create and score goals or stop them being scored and the team who scores the most deserves the win.

[Asprilla 96]

3 wins and a draw in the league since the last post in here. In games including 3 against teams in European qualifying positions.

 

Fair play to the bloke, as bad as injury troubles have been in the past at the Toon, they've rarely been this bad, but he's never used it as an excuse, keeps saying he'll get on with it and is getting performances out of the bare bones.

 

Whatever happens at Chelsea, I'm quite confident about Watford, Tottenham, Bolton and Everton bringing enough points to consolidate a mid-table position.

I'm really pleased for the guy....as we've seen, big name managers/players don't always come up with the goods and I think it would be very healthy for the club to have a "small name" manager who did well.

 

I'm sorry, but that's just fucking stupid! It reminds me of LeazesMag's comments that Shepherd was justified to hire a manager with a shit record because he'd hired ones with good records before but they hadn't worked out.

 

The ONE position you have to get right at a club is the appointment of the manager. To employ someone who has a record as bad as Roeder's is reckless at the very least. I can't imagine another club in the premiership or even the championship would have touched him with a barge pole.

It's not in the least bit stupid.....players and managers alike can "click" at the right club, when beforehand they've been average. Roeder "clicked" last year, the turnaround was astonishing and were it not for Michael Owen's all too predictable injury we could have carried a good bit of last seasons form into this one.

 

 

I don't think we'll do ourselves any favours by changing manager again...the guy deserves the rest of the season and in my opinion if we qualify for Europe again he should get another season. It's a simple difference of opinion, but I've always been an advocate of changing as little as possible as the result of tinkering for year after year is exactly what we have now.

 

 

 

[Renton 21404]

3 wins and a draw in the league since the last post in here. In games including 3 against teams in European qualifying positions.

 

Fair play to the bloke, as bad as injury troubles have been in the past at the Toon, they've rarely been this bad, but he's never used it as an excuse, keeps saying he'll get on with it and is getting performances out of the bare bones.

 

Whatever happens at Chelsea, I'm quite confident about Watford, Tottenham, Bolton and Everton bringing enough points to consolidate a mid-table position.

I'm really pleased for the guy....as we've seen, big name managers/players don't always come up with the goods and I think it would be very healthy for the club to have a "small name" manager who did well.

 

I'm sorry, but that's just fucking stupid! It reminds me of LeazesMag's comments that Shepherd was justified to hire a manager with a shit record because he'd hired ones with good records before but they hadn't worked out.

 

The ONE position you have to get right at a club is the appointment of the manager. To employ someone who has a record as bad as Roeder's is reckless at the very least. I can't imagine another club in the premiership or even the championship would have touched him with a barge pole.

It's not in the least bit stupid.....players and managers alike can "click" at the right club, when beforehand they've been average. Roeder "clicked" last year, the turnaround was astonishing and were it not for Michael Owen's all too predictable injury we could have carried a good bit of last seasons form into this one.

 

 

I don't think we'll do ourselves any favours by changing manager again...the guy deserves the rest of the season and in my opinion if we qualify for Europe again he should get another season. It's a simple difference of opinion, but I've always been an advocate of changing as little as possible as the result of tinkering for year after year is exactly what we have now.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually AF, I don't really disagree with what you've said in that post. BUT, I was all for Roeder being appointed as a caretaker (knowing what caretakers often do), but I never wanted him as a permanent manager either, knowing his previous managerial CV. However, if he does get us into Europe again next year (especially if it is through the league) then I could hardly argue for sacking him. Thing is though, I just don't think he will, and this will turn out to be yet another two years wasted, at best.

 

All of our lives are finite, after all. I really do wonder if I'll ever see NUFC win a thing - with the current board, personally I doubt it. If we can change that then maybe, just maybe, we will have a chance. Otherwise, well......