NJS

I was called up about 4 years ago but I was still a contractor so "refused" as it would have had me in the poor house with any length of case. Speaking to my mate at the time who's a copper he reckons too many people get out of it and too many juries are made up of "students, dole wallers, pensioners, housewives and other thick fuckers" which made his job harder.

I'd have more time for Henry's comments if he wasn't in a team that includes 4 or 5 of the worst cheats in English football. The ref was a typical UEFA corrupt/incompetent twat.

One good reason to do it is that if you die in this country with no will and no living relatives your estate goes to the Duchy of Cornwall - in other words the jug-eared twat's back pocket - its one of his major incomes. (and yet another good reason to shoot the bastards)

I take it that as story along the lines of "Toon have £30m transfer pot" would mean LM would praise FS for not giving Souness any money in January and of course his ongoing wonderfulness. I guess the truth on the money lies in between the two extremes especially since an extra £3-4m for Bellamy (yeah, right) doesn't make that much difference in the big picture.

Elephant and Admiral were like the premiership top 3 compared to the rest for me.

Can't disagree even though I "supported" his exit. I never gave a shit about his lack of tracking back etc, I just thought he wasn't as good as an attacking threat as time wore on (though this was mainly down to attitude imo which I guess is related).

Well the majority of people have both male and female friends, and manage not to shag each other, so id say that guys n girls can be just friends. Manage not to but would given the chance? I have a few female friends and theres not one of them I wouldn't if I could but I'm single and its been a while (can't imagine that matters though).

I agree to an extent but would say that I was trying to argue that the "reality" end of the market is very sad and does men no favours but it tends to be drug driven in the first place. I'm not saying high class escorts are in anyway "noble" or the men any less sad but I think its a lot more civilised than the majority and a controlled environment ran aong similar lines would work and save a lot of women from abuse. I've always considered prostitution to be an endightment on the sadness of the male gender rather than any slur on women but unfortunately its always been part of nature. I do think your "harms all women" pov is overstated though - I don't think all women have a price and the existence of it doesn't make me think any less of women least of all the ones involved.

I'd relegate Pompey for their "bolt seats on to an open terrace and charge £30" trick. Hate Redknapp as well.

Shagging Kate Moss is one thing - being on the edge of self-destruction through stupidity is nowt worth glamourising. I know a lot of "talents" take drugs which I don't really care about but Doherty is just an idiot - I don't just mean the drugs per se but a couple of his arrests have obviously been as a result of celebrating his court appearances with more smack - as I said thats just stupid. If you do think he has musical talent then surely you should bemoan its waste?

I just meant that the pressure on the prisons if you "got your way" and then a new lot were added in "for their own good" as suggested by someone else would be quite severe. Death penalty deterrents don't work because nearly all murders are spur of the moment/unthinking acts of passion/stupidity. Those that aren't eg terrorsim are carried out by people who wouldn't care or would in fact relish martyrdom. Its immoral barbarism in my opinion.

rather than just let criminals off in NJS's world ? 129751[/snapback] Never said that - I just don't think the death penalty or your "lock them up and never let them out" works. I support quite long sentences for murder/rape etc and think drunk driving/causing death by driving is disgracefully unpunished but a lot of the justice system fails miserably for certain crimes no matter how much you increase the sentencing.

I agree with the sentiment that he's a fuck-up but if everyone who needed it was "locked up for their own good" they'd need even more prisons than in LM's world. If he starts affecting others (which is the suggestion here) then thats different, though I stand by my "free will" comments earlier but as Lazarus says British prisons aren't exactly smack free.

I wonder if the Apache, Souix or the Navaho agree with mass immigration 129673[/snapback] Well they were originally immigrants from Asia themselves, just as we Europeans were immigrants from Africa via Asia. There are people in Africa who were never "immigrants" but the rest of the human race all were somewhere along the line. 129690[/snapback] Correction, strictly speaking they were migrants not immigrants, there is a massive difference and I think you know that, with respect. 129693[/snapback] Yeah I know I've just read a book about the peopling of the world and wanted to get it in as I've found the story of how closely we're all related fascinating. Europeans on the other hand were immigrants - they usurped the Neanderthals.

Bollocks in my opinion, should we turn a blind eye if they had raped her too ? 129684[/snapback] No, but I'm actually with Lazarus - I don't believe he was injecting her and think its more likely he was taking out a needle she'd used before passing out. I believe in free will when it comes to drugs - if you want to fuck yourself up (or indeed have a bloody good time) then its down to you - all I'm saying is that she went to his house and must have become "unconsious" somehow. Now if it was a naive fan who they "initiated" then thats a different matter but even the Sun suggest she was a regular visitor.

I wonder if the Apache, Souix or the Navaho agree with mass immigration 129673[/snapback] Well they were originally immigrants from Asia themselves, just as we Europeans were immigrants from Africa via Asia. There are people in Africa who were never "immigrants" but the rest of the human race all were somewhere along the line.

I think finding yourself unconcious on that particular floor could be seen as contributory negligence.

I knew spelling and grammar before I reached the 6th form mate - pity you never made it.

Americans are hypocrites - their nation is founded and based even more on immigration than ours. I agree completely that there should be criteria for immigrants but to just have a "bar all" policy is crap. Why? - they are also being stung over Mexicans - they are demanding controls without realising that if all "guests" were expelled their costs would rocket as no Americans would do the shit jobs for shit pay that are done by these "illegals". This is also rapidly becoming a factor in London.

Depends how you do it - if a pimp is effectively a slavemaster then in my "brave new world" he'd be gone - if the pimp is for protection from the dodgy elements of society then a "sanitised" environment like they have in some places like Germany I think could work. (Once again I have no first hand knowledge )

Very true, so lets consentrate on sorting out our own scum rather than importing some other fuckers 129648[/snapback] I agree but if you stop all immigration then the economy is fucked - you see there are a lot of them that put the average Englishmen to shame.

I knew someone would come out and still defend them, not noticed you around for a while though. 129597[/snapback] I'm not defending them at all - scum are scum - but the idea that a small number of scum is a reason to stop all immigration is plain stupid - I can remember at least 3 murderers who were lorry drivers - Sutcliffe, the one that killed that lass near Berwick and one who killed a french hitchhiker - does that mean all lorry drivers are evil and should be rounded up? - thats the kind of inference you're making. The fact that that logic is fuelled by good old racism is just a bonus. 129606[/snapback] I don't consider myself a racist, simply for stating an irrefutable fact. But I do consider you to be a naive do gooder. The FACT, and the POINT is, as I said, they should not have been here. And if they hadn't, that girl would still be alive. FACT. So you can defend them all you like, but you simply cannot dispute a FACT. 129639[/snapback] I don't know how many of those lads were born here or came here but it doesn't matter. What You're saying is that just on the off chance that any immigrants can be potential criminals we shouldn't allow anyone in. That is nonsensical racist bollocks. I'd also point out that if the "glorious" British empire hadn't enslaved all those countries then that lass would also be alive.

Prostitution is victimless?? 129616[/snapback] If you take away the seediness of street walkers then a "free" woman selling herself/providing a service to a (single) man harms absolutely nobody. Of course the Kings Cross/Eastern european slaves/crack whores cycle is horrible but thats what I mean above by dodgy elements combining with drugs.

Persecuting people for drug use is a waste of time - until a sensible case why alcohol is okay and cannabis isn't is made then its a "war" that will never be won. I know the people involved in the drug trade are scum but thats due to the legailty - its like prostitution - a "victimless" crime is made into a dodgy business by the legal profession so that they can make money. Imagine a justice system where drugs are legal - "junkie" crime would disappear and the police would have the time to fight "proper" lawbreakers. Wastes of space like Doherty would die though I suspect without the fuel of celebrity which is only now based on his lifestyle he'd probably sort himself out. (NB Alcohol is the only drug I've ever used)

I knew someone would come out and still defend them, not noticed you around for a while though. 129597[/snapback] I'm not defending them at all - scum are scum - but the idea that a small number of scum is a reason to stop all immigration is plain stupid - I can remember at least 3 murderers who were lorry drivers - Sutcliffe, the one that killed that lass near Berwick and one who killed a french hitchhiker - does that mean all lorry drivers are evil and should be rounded up? - thats the kind of inference you're making. The fact that that logic is fuelled by good old racism is just a bonus.