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He wouldn't have needed to be if we hadn't chucked a new contract at him in January. That's where money has been pissed down the drain tbh. Fucking Kinnear. Ashley appointed him tbh (and surely must have sanctioned Stroller's new deal?) Of course but anyone involved in that contract decision should be sanctioned for termination - and I don't mean a P45.

He wouldn't have needed to be if we hadn't chucked a new contract at him in January. That's where money has been pissed down the drain tbh. Fucking Kinnear.

I'm starting to get stupidly hopeful - surely the bargain price means we can get somebody in? As I've said before when the Mackems changed hands it was concluded mid August I think so Keane still had the time to do good business in the transfer market. My only real concern is losing the 1 or 2 good players we actually have before its sorted.

I rang them last week to cancel and was told to put it in an email which I did - the lass told me another month's payment would go out on the 25th as you need to give 30 dys notice according to their terms. I told her I would be cancelling the DD as I wasn't going to pay for something I had no intention of using. She told me they would telephone me repeatedly to ask for the outstanding payment but I told her I never answer the phone "live" and anyway they would be bust before the end of the month which seemed to be news to her. Then again I had detected a Mackem twang to her accent and a subtle mocking when I told her why I was cancelling (relegation) - this diluted my slight guilt at being nasty.

BNP voters and members absolutely love playing the victim though. They're just so discriminated against...... I love their recent tag about the "indigenous people becoming second class citizens in every sphere of society" - you can almost hear their supporters nodding thinking its true.

I sort of agree but I'd also say any buyers who took a good look at the situation might see Shearer as a must have. I'm not saying I'm completely confident in his potential as a manager but I think it would be more of a gamble at the moment to appoint another manager even if it was a "sensible" choice as Sima suggested.

I have to say my admiration for Shearer has increased since he took the job and also in the current situation - I was never an "OMG Shearer is God" type of fan but his obvious concern for the club and the character he has shown while dealing with these cunts has impressed.

As I said - dodgy as fuck - wonder if the PL will be eager to get it right after failing to deal with West Ham over Tevez?

Though something must have went wrong with the brochure for people from the sub-continent to want to come to Britain.

Well presumably if you mean outside countries get higher prices for their goods then the converse is that they would pay more for their imports? On a bigger picture I agree with someone else who said if you look at the economies of the US, India and China, the only way to be in the same ball park (sorry Stevie) is to be in an entity as large as the EU. I think an "independent" UK would be marginalised in world terms - better to be at the sentre of Europe than outside pissing in.

But how would you replace all the trade with EU countries that is dependent on EU tariffs etc? The last thing I saw mentioned 11m jobs - of course a lot of trade would find a way around it but even a 25% loss would cost a lot more than £30bn. "We get nowt back" shows immense naivity imo.

I'd accept that there is a level of casual racism in this country (and in all others) - I just think the nastier side of it is like homophobia and religious adherence - in general a generational hangover which will reduce as people of previous eras die. I know this is a generalisation but I'll bet if everyone thinks of their parents/grandparents attitudes, no matter how good people they were, they would have exhibited some of these attitudes. Maybe they were less shy in speaking about it but I honestly think that if Love thy neighbour and Mind your language were shown now, people would be genuinely astonished that they were considered comedies and wouldn't be thinking "wow this is funny". Of course there are still people who would like them and would revel in saying so while crying about political correctness but finding people being called "nignogs" funny is a step too far. If the argument is that this is "okay" as it harms nobody I'd disagree. As a lefty I don't think I'm naive or politically correct - I've already said in this thread how I'd limit immigration and I have no problem stating that the level of crime in black areas of London is fucking disgraceful and the cultural aspects of that should be addressed - but that doesn't mean I'd support any of the BNP's shite.

I thought it was Gemmill who slightly questioned the merits of the qualification process - could be wrong.

The IRA used to do the same - (now hopefully consigned to history) that didn't and doesn't mean that a purge of Irishmen would have been the answer. It's all about day to day as well - I was affected on July 7th but millions weren't - I'm not affected by charvers but thousands are - I'd say to the degree that an answer to underclass probllem would benefit more people than any perceived issues on immigration. Before the last decade nobody gave Muslim immigration in this country a second thought so for decades everybody was "happy" with it. Of course world events can change things but again I'd ask - how would the people who voted BNP benefit on a day to day basis if immgration was halted or reversed? What you or I would call English culture has changed in the years since the war - I think for the better in general - I don't want to go back to a time when there was no real choice of resteraunt or when the only family holiday you could have was either Butlins or caravanning. The genie of a global village is out of the bottle - it may be too American in some ways but I don't honestly see how you could want to either go back or to limit the way things have changed. Of course within that context theres nothing wrong with still being proudly English/British.

Do you honestly think if all US TV (and of cource cinema and music) was banned tomorrow that in 15 years time kids would have returned to saying arse instead of ass? This is a lesser version of the main issue - do people honestly believe that if all immigrants (since say 1948 so Phil the Greek can stay) and their families did take the BNP shilling and left that the country would be "better" in 10, 15, 50 years? How would this narrow the gap between rich and poor? How would it solve the white underclass problem? For a lot of Mail readers I'm convinced that their should be perfect lives (ie they have everything they want) is only lit up by getting angry at the latest immigrant/Muslim "outrage". In that context if the UK became an immigrant free zone their lives would have no joy left and I assume mass suicide would ensue. Fuck I knew I should have voted for them.

So if you think US TV is boring that makes banning it for millions okay? I watch 3 programmes on the BBC and I haven't watched a single programme on ITV for at least 5 years - how about we ban that shite too? The BNP anti-US TV has nothing to do with quality or appeal - its about cultural dilution - another racist argument of theirs.

Dodgy as fuck - the people he owes money to have "bought" it when all their banks should be concentrating on paying back creditors from last year. I suppose the equivalent would be Ashley selling us to Kemsley.

The US telly one is a scream for starters - it comes from their underlying notion that "British" is perfect for everything and if we just remove all the outside influences, all our problems would magically disappear - its beyond stupid. As for the EU as I've said until the BNP or the UKIP can actually explain how the economy would work without it, leaving is a non-starter.

I'm surprised nobody has researched Griffin's ancestry - surely like most people you'd only need a few generations before finding an immigrant if not a full on "lower race".

Haven't checked the figures but have just read that their proportion of the vote was actually less than 2004 - they got seats due to a collapse in the labour vote. That's obviously a different issue but if they try and sell it as a massive swing to them by people "waking up" or however they put it then they are taking crap. Edit: Actually their proportion increased by about 1.5% but the number of votes was about the same.

We've been in a new building since January. As you check-in by passing your security card over a scanner it displays an assigned life out of the 8 available. Obviously they need a touch screen interface which repeats the choice at the lifts (10m away) to cater for imbeciles but the number of people I see look down and read the letter at the turnstile and then use the lift interface 4 seconds later is incredible. They must have an attention span in the milliseconds.

Griifin said they aren't racist - but supported the "indigenous" people of Britain - what does that even mean? As I said above what's his measure of purity (apart from skin colour obviously)? I'd imagine their type of patriotism includes the monarchy - does he realise the next king's father is an immigrant?

That may be true but they should be told what they are voting for in no uncertain terms. If they still think that the BNP represents their views then I think they have to accept being called racists. If the response is "yeah and so what" then at least its out there to be argued against but this idea that it can be respectable to vote for them just because you're concerned about immigraion has to be nailed for the bullshit it is.

There is of course an alternative - ask the BNP to cost all of their policies. Of course I doubt they have the intelligence to do that and their supporters wouldn't understand the results but it would be a start. Two things generally decide elections - whether its perceived a government has had enough time (which will do for Labour) and the economy which is why things like Iraq or immigration don't "really" matter. On this basis the BNP has no chance. One thing we shouldn't get away from is that anyone who votes for them is a racist - I don't care if they're a genius or a Sunderland fan - they can't get away from that.

Prove any or all of those assertions with links. you prove what you say with links The burden of proof is ion the positive. I don't remember the police being stopped from doing their jobs due to and political correctness - in fact the opposite - they have used new powers to harass enviromental protestors, football fans and Muslims in the last couple of years on many occasions. It's less than two months since they contributed to someone's death at a demo - was that prevented by political correctness? I've already stated that the 50 years thing is shit - a flawed report which got its maths completely wrong - how can less than 2% of 60m people "out-breed" the rest in 2 generations when the difference in birthrate is miniscule - would you care to explain it? The only indoctrination kids get is religious - somethiong I'd stop - but since the vast majority of that is Christian why would you or the BNP object? - or are you objecting to kids learning about other cultures in a pure Mail style. As for national service the armed forced keep telling us that they don't want it - I can remember it first being suggested in the 80s and the army was horrified at the prospect of their professionalism being diluted by scrotes. It's another policy desined to appeal to cretins who would be absolutely horrified if their kids were called up - or even bterr themselves.