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Had a quick look to see if there was one of these and couldn't see one - Mods feel free to change title to specific question if you like.... Anyway..... Can anyone remember why in the first series of Auf Weidersehen Pet, the lads referred to the Germans as "Erics"?

Spot on again. The closest I've come to spontaneous football violence was on the tube after the 98 final - an Arsenal fan who just shrugged his shoulders when I told him to cheer up as they'd just won the cup - his reponse was "We didn't win it well enough" - at which point my mates dragged me away. A year later one of the lowest moments of my life was overhearing a Cockney Manc say to his 10 year old son "Did you enjoy that?" - "Yeah I suppose it was alright" was the reply.

British Soldier - Heroic Angel beyond reproach Gays - canny lads but not appropriate shower buddies/soldiers/parents/role models. Anyone who ever said nuclear weapons weren't a good idea - Soviet spy.

Part of it, things like the Mido abuse were justified in my view but it will sadly never happen again, because of the apologists. Worst thing about that 'incident' was the likes of Louise Taylor and their ridiculously (and I hate to use the stupid phrase) 'politically correct' spin on the whole thing. Btw, did you read he's meant to be on only a grand a week at West Ham? Still a lot more than he could earn doing anything else like. Despite being a "do-gooder" I really wanted someone to stand up to her when she said "they are abusing him for being a Muslim" (which we weren't anyway) and say "and so fucking what". Monkey noises aside, I've never heard anything at a football game which has made me ashamed from an offence pov and I think the timidness which has infiltrated crowds is another negative factor. That doesn't mean I'm proud of some of the language btw - but I find any kind of censorship to be wrong.

I hate to say it but the "deluded Geordie" cliche does have some truth in it - I think there is an undercurrent in the bulk of support which expects to be near the top of the PL which is something which was unknown pre 94. I can say that being shit is nothing new all I like but I still can't help thinking its just plain wrong. There isn't necessarily anything worng with having expectations but it needs to be realistic as well.

Chicken and egg on Whitehurst there Stevie - not a real excuse but he stuck the fingers up because of the abuse which led to more abuse etc. I don't think its fair comparing football now with the past - even in the 90s - society changing is the key imo as well as the game. As others have said, football was more central to peoples lives in the past - it certain was to mine in the 80s and a lot of the 90s. I've said before I've seen a lot of people who've gone for years drift away recently - including me - I think having seen both shite and good stuff there isn't anything left that's new to excite us - Europe did for a while but that's now gone as well. The only people I see now who are enthused are those taking bairns which I guess is part of the natural order of things but I'm not sure whether it will work for them like it did for us as in changing to going with mates as they get older - I think that's where the change in society comes in.

Not overwhelmed by the signings though look okay - surprised no sales but the cynic in me thinks that the injury to Taylor was karmic on that score.

I think you can consider them without reference to us and I've been surprised how shit they've been lately - my hope is that Ellis will think that he's spent a lot for no reward and may re-consider his future backing.

Fuck the posh cunts. Even a revolutionary like me wouldn't go quite that far - however sailing a yacht in those waters suggests an element of contributory stupidity.

Random thoughts: Routledge and Van Aahnolt will be wasted in that team - they are too much like footballers - though Guttierez would help and I assume he was injured. Williamson looked okay. Carroll is starting to bug me as much as Shola - he struts around like he thinks he's a good player and he just fucking isn't. Smith has gone way off the boil lately. Those praising Leicester's fight which is fair enough should realise that most teams will do the same from now on in - my obvious worry is that we simply don't create chances to win games. Forgot to add - if we'd had that ref in the home game against West Brom we'd have beaten them but that's something else we'll have to get used to.

At least you try and debate things without resorting to childish comments like manc mag so I'll respond in a similar adult fashion to you. I don't know what you mean by "muslim" views. There is always going to be "some" areas where someone has views with elements that co-incide with almost anything you care to name. I would say that I would agree that putting people in the slammer and imposing punishment where appropriate is right but that doesn't make someone a "muslim" because a muslim has that view, I think it is just imposing a rule of law that is right and correct. I believe in the taxpayer paying for elements of the welfare state ie education, Health Service, Transport etc but that doesn't make me a raving mad socialist either. I believe we should look after the less fortunate in society but at the same time impose a limit on benefits especially on those who show no inclination to work but that doesn't make me an evil Tory bastard. These are just views. I said to manc mag that the Armed Forces didn't really want gays in it but it has been forced on them [by do gooders and pc correct imbeciles ?] who they interfere in things that really don't concern them and they don't understand, and he is trying to tell me something completely different, or whatever he is trying to say I'm not bothered about. Gays used to be banned from the Forces, there was a reason for that. I'm also just making a point to meenzer by the way I'm sure he's a decent bloke and I've nowt against him. The thing is your main objection to Muslims seems to be that they don't integrate (which in some places is a fair point but not universal) and their values and culture are different to yours - all I'm saying is that your views on a few things seem pretty much in line with a lot of Muslim ones which are typically quite "conservative" - I don't mean that in the party sense but in terms of respect for the law and justice system and what are normally called family values. Whereas you think free speech should be limited by anti-british limits, most Muslims think free speech should be limited on religion - two different subjects but the principle of limiting free speech on something you don't like spoken against is the same. This leads me to ask what is so alien about their culture and values that you don't like if it can be demonstrated they align at several points? Of course I'm not talking about the "militant" ones who want to abuse troops etc - just the vast majority who just get on with their lives and as I said polls show have a lot more respect for what you call British values than someone like me has.

LM - One minute you're proud of the fact that the armed forces "don't like gays" and then the next you use the Muslim attitude to try and scare Meenzer - as I've said before it's actually funny how Muslim a lot of your attitudes are.

We've posted articles proving the birthrate stuff leading to a Muslim majority is absolute horseshit even in terms of 500 years. Can you explain a "logical" path to your conclusion. Feel free to post numbers of Muslim immigrants per year required until it happens (without anybody noticing of course) and any other evidence that's relevant.

Why don't you read HF's posts about the ratio of immigrants in work who produce a net benefit to the economy or is that too complicated for you? Talking of unanswered points we're still waiting for any example whatso-fucking-ever of how a Muslim has ever effected your life or culture or how Muslim culture has ever affected you.

Theres a lot of shit talked about Bankers upping sticks and leaving London but the City would be fucked without (legal) Aussies and probably illegal third world cleaners etc.

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings. Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

Christian values like banning women from being CofE bishops? or Catholic priests?

I dont know whether to believe this or not................. certainly answers a lot of questions i guess............. but most conspiracy theories do.................... I'm torn.................... I've got the Power of Nightmares downloaded somewhere - it made perfect sense to me and you should watch it if its on YouTube.

I still maintain the hope that someone who knew someone who drowned in the floods of 2007 will find the bishop of Carlisle and break the fuckers legs but that's an aside.

I hate to say it but a surprisingly brisk incoming list makes me think an outgoing is more possible.

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I don't really blame people in the third world for wanting to come here - I don't see how you use "fault" for someone who just wants a life. That doesn't mean I think they have a "right" to a life here but the desire is another thing. I'd also say that catching snippets of those UK border force shows which seem to contain a lot of Afghani illegals that you could argue that's our fault.

Time to gladly admit I'm wrong... http://www.crimlinks.com/Prison%20Population.htm One in 7.6 are either non-British or have no nationality recorded. Prison population stats are always dodgy though - the religosity of US inmates goes beyond even that of the general populace but even I don't use that to say theres a link. I think there are studies I've read about which show that UK judges do show bias (surprise, surprise) in sentencing blacks so I guess that would extend to non-brits.

Don't forget emigration though - the net numbers are what's important from a strictly resource allocation pov.

I don't honestly know Stevie - when you say you aren't and describe how you think in broad terms it rings completely true that you aren't. On the other hand I think some of your generalisations go beyond simply being "un-pc" (which I don't mind at all by the way). I think you have an over the top sense of Englishness (and Geordieness for that matter) which is a bit too black and white (no pun intended). I think you need a bit more realism on some things.