NJS

I think one the most sporting things I've "seen" in a football match was when the cunt Charlton scored the second goal against Portugal in 66 and Eusebio shook his hand as he was running back for the kick-off as if to say" Hats off mate, game over".

Andreas Möller from that team / era for me, arrogance personified. I'm no England fan but I remember wanting to torture and kill whichever Jorman it was that got Gazza booked in the semi - was it Bertholde?

Some variation on British people don't kidnap British people?

And then publicly executed for the clothesline on Hughes.

I used to like him before he did an atrocious tackle on Rob Lee at Elland road in about 94 - raked his studs down his Achilles from behind - only a yellow of course.

Ryan Giggs is the only player with no NUFC connections I have ever admired.

Kenny Burns, Frank Worthington, Ole Solskjaer, Sheringham, Ashley and Joe Cheat, Ince and probably twenty more.

I didn't see the programme but are we just talking about a city built by one firm for its business? If that's the case you could certainly draw parallels with some places in the UK which were company towns (though possibly not on a large scale) for example a lot of the pit villages in the NE or Bourneville in Birmingham. You could also look at Corby where shit loads of Scottish steel workers were "transported" en masse to a new town/life ony for it to end in the same way after a few years.

Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs all had owners who were infinitely better off than ours. Forest and Leeds got "lucky" with managers. By the time Beardsley etc were around we didn't have big crowds and remember there was no corporate shit either. Man U and Liverpool also had bigger sponsorship and global merchandise income. I'm not saying their management even accounting for lack of money was good - but then again money aside the Halls was pretty shit as well - allowing Keegan to leave and as you said giving up the fight for a new ground too easily being examples. I don't think you can argue that Hall was lucky with timing in terms of a huge influx of money into the game. That doesn't mean I think others would have done better but it also doesn't mean he had some magic formula or invested that much personally to make that luck.

One of the things LM can't answer is how the hell the previous boards were supposed to have "shown ambition" in the 70s and 80s when football was pretty much money free. They could never have borrowed money and had no personal wealth to speak of - they saw the club as a family business which is both limiting but also showed they did care in their own way. I'm not sure whether Hall saw the sky money coming but his initial flotation was to try and make money from the local businesses and fans. Given the timing it failed. Of course after having struck it lucky with Keegan (nobody knew he was going to be a good manager) they had a second chance to get their money back and make a shit load in 97 and then off Ashley. As I've said that was his intention from day one and though I probably accept Shepherd did care about the club, Hall and his fuckwit son never did.

Do the well off do less work to pass their exams? The public schools' strength is knowing how to work the system - they are experts at Oxbridge entrance exam and interview preparation whereas other schools might take the view that "he/she's our star pupil so will be okay". I know its an individual case but remember that lass a couple of years ago from the town who was a stellar pupil but failed the interview? Of course there would be nothing wrong with a comp learning these techniques but there would be a massive catch-up period.

Just another typical away game but they've scored. Hope they tire and Pancrate is replaced.

Try it sometime - the next time someone really annoys you just think "6:30am tomorrow, on the shitter, heart attack". I'm afraid of doing that now, last time I did it was only "I hope something stops my chem teacher coming in tomorrow" then she got hit by a car seriously Shouldn't you be having these thoughts about Ashley then?

Try it sometime - the next time someone really annoys you just think "6:30am tomorrow, on the shitter, heart attack".

I sometimes dread having a kind of Liar Liar type day at work where not only do I tell the truth, I say all of my thoughts out loud. On a related note I sometimes imagine people I'm thinking about suddenly becoming psychic and reading my thoughts. As I've said before I also frequently fantasise about having the ability to kill people with my mind by setting a "death time" for them by looking at them.

Utter dribbling nonsense. The middle east was divided by religion. In 1921 as Secretary of State for the COlonies Churchill carved up the Middle East and chose members of Aristocratic Families to become the kings of the countries which made up Britains land Bridge to India. These included Iran, Iraq and Egypt. Part of the problems which led to the fall of the Shah and the ascension of the Islamic Republic was the simmering resentment of a ruler who did not belong. The same for the revolutions in Iraq and Egypt. Churchills actions have had serious repercussions since. Was that when he proposed gassing the Kurds as they were less than human or other such choice phrase? Edit: In the end they didn't use the gas for "technical reasons".

I've never apologised for advocating class warfare - as far as I'm concerned the war was declared by them centuries ago.

Two sides of the same coin I have subtelties within my madness - I'd feel less "venegful" about those circumstances than the pure "landed gentry/duke of westminster" type stuff.

Eton produced the Windsors lest we forget - ability/educational achivement are not guaranteed.

It's the background that paid for the education that matters to me. The Tories come from inherited wealth which as I've said before is the root cause of what's still wrong with the UK.

I read an article about a year ago I think which described a canvasser asking people in Pennywell (I know) what the government had done for them and getting the reply "absolutely nothing". They were then asked who had paid for the entire estate's housing stock to be refurbished and the reply was "the council". When asked where the council had got the money they didn't know - 3 guesses where it had come from. I'm not saying they have addressed the issue as I'd like but I think its wrong to say they've done nowt.

Lloyd George: Asquith was a liberal too btw.

So what was Lloyd George's contribution?

Cynically speaking, she thought property owner = tory voter as that's how it had generally been previously. I think the undersold values adds to that view and the legislastion to prevent the raised money being spent on replacements was the icing on the cake. Many other countries have mainly rented homes with no disadvantage.

The original "welfare state" founding legislation was under Lloyd George who was a liberal before the labour party existed - I'm not sure exactly what that actually entailed being honest. Obviously the Beveridge report that was the basis for the NHS was Labour.